Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[CadyandZoe]

I did. Read the text!

I meant, can you defend it? The proposition that there are two kinds of people in this world, saved and lost, does not contradict what I said.

 

[Davidpt]

Hope you don't mind the way I put this, but I don't know what part of the Christianeze we all speak is abbreviated by ECT so you'll have to tell me.

ECT = eternal conscious torment, this view clearly meaning they are conscious and being tormented forever without end. Which is impossible for humans unless they live forever first. My point being, eating from the tree of life is connected with living forever. No human cast into the LOF is going to be eating from the tree of life period, let alone forever. Therefore, how is it logical, in regards to humans cast into the LOF that ECT is their fate?

When the TOL was blocked for humans after the fall, humans began dying eventually. Obviously, when humans are cast into the LOF they are still being blocked access to the TOL. But ECT teaches that they live forever, regardless. It's a contradiction that humans can't live forever without eating of the tree of life forever, but humans can live forever without eating of the TOL forever. The former meaning Revelation 22:2, the latter meaning ECT and those cast into the LOF, that the former can't live forever without eating of the TOL, but that the latter can.

 

[Zao is life]

ECT = eternal conscious torment, this view clearly meaning they are conscious and being tormented forever without end. Which is impossible for humans unless they live forever first. My point being, eating from the tree of life is connected with living forever. No human cast into the LOF is going to be eating from the tree of life period, let alone forever. Therefore, how is it logical, in regards to humans cast into the LOF that ECT is their fate?

When the TOL was blocked for humans after the fall, humans began dying eventually. Obviously, when humans are cast into the LOF they are still being blocked access to the TOL. But ECT teaches that they live forever, regardless. It's a contradiction that humans can't live forever without eating of the tree of life forever, but humans can live forever without eating of the TOL forever. The former meaning Revelation 22:2, the latter meaning ECT and those cast into the LOF, that the former can't live forever without eating of the TOL, but that the latter can.

Thank you.

It's very interesting because the fire and brimstone of Revelation 14:10 is IMO clearly an allusion to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, which isn't an ongoing thing, though to this day the geology of the area still bears testimony to its destruction.

IMO that evidence of Sodom & Gomorrah's destruction is - in a sense - "the smoke of their torment".

But in Acts 24:15 Paul said that he had hope toward God that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

In John 5:28-29 Jesus said "The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Hebrews 3:18, 4:1 & 10 refers to those who remain faithful to His Word entering the sabbath rest, but it's not the same Greek word being used as in Revelation 14:11, which says that they "have no rest day nor night". The Greek word in Revelation 14:11 seems to be referring to a respite from the torment mentioned, and says that they have no respite, the smoke of their torment ascending up to the ages of the ages,

which sounds very similar to Daniel 12:2: "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

So we have a resurrection of the unjust unto everlasting contempt (Daniel), unto damnation (Jesus), and the smoke of their torment ascending to the ages of the ages (Revelation). But a resurrection unto everlasting life [zoe] is dependant upon being able to eat of the tree of life and be alive [zao] unto God to the ages of the ages.
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The geological evidence of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah does not mean that those who perished there are suffering permanent torment - BUT they have not been resurrected to such a thing, either. But that lake of fire = the second death, and Jesus spoke about both soul and body being destroyed in gehenna.

Either the scriptures are not clear or don't provide enough info, or my mind is too fallible to fully understand (probably the latter),

OR it is clear - but my mind does not want to imagine ECT.

Or something.
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But I also believe that Jesus wants us to set our minds not on death or everlasting condemnation, but on things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God because we are provisionally resurrected with Him and our lives are hidden with Christ in God.