Proof: Jesus Comes Prior To The Millennium

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Davy

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I posted in another thread this event that Apostle Peter mentioned about the "day of the Lord" in 2 Peter 3. So I thought I'd cover it here too.

2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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In Revelation 16:15, Jesus speaking to His Church, said that He comes "as a thief". By that He linked the day of His return to that "day of the Lord" event that will come "as a thief in the night".

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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The end result of that then, means the events to occur at the end of this world prior to His coming must be over, no excuses. That means the time of "great tribulation" He warned us about in Matthew 24 must be ended on that "day of the Lord" that comes "as a thief in the night". And it will be because that's the day this event of God's consuming fire is going to burn man's works off this earth, with the heavens passing away (Isaiah 34:4).

In our Lord's Revelation chapter 6, on the 6th Seal, we have this event of the heavens being rolled up as a scroll, which is a link to 2 Peter 3:10 about the dissolving of heaven:

Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, 'Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?'
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That link stands as proof that Jesus returns after the tribulation, like He said He would in Matthew 24. It also proves that His future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 does not begin until His return after the tribulation, for the resurrection is still yet to occur today, and will happen on the day of His coming, and thus here is another proof of the Millennium reign not starting until the end of this present world after the tribulation:

Rev 20:2-5
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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That "first resurrection" is only about Christ's saints which He gathers to Himself when He returns. John 5:28-29 mentions both, the resurrection of life, and the resurrection of damnation will occur on that same day of Christ's coming. This is another solid Scripture proof that Jesus returns at the end of the tribulaton, and only then will His Millennial reign begin.
 

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So concerning the millennial reign, will it be durring the day of the Lord? With the thousand years is as a day perspective of time God has?

That would explain Isaiah 66:24
 

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So concerning the millennial reign, will it be durring the day of the Lord? With the thousand years is as a day perspective of time God has?

That would explain Isaiah 66:24

With that perspective of a thousand years as a day, yes. It will represent a 7th day rest.
 

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These matters are like piecing together the evidence of an explosion after the fact: each part is spread out, but came "quickly."

But what is the point of explaining a day as a thousand years and a thousand years a day, to those who refuse to see the day and only see the thousand, even though it was given to be received as a fact? :(
 

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more eschatology stuff i guess, right

No not really. It is more miss guided stuff and has nothing to do with eschatological revelation or understanding. It is just davy's views without substance.
 

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No not really. It is more miss guided stuff and has nothing to do with eschatological revelation or understanding. It is just davy's views without substance.
hey, Christians have a rich tradition of -mancy, and i'm not meaning to judge; but we do have a section for it? that imo should not come up in New Posts either, but that is a diff subject
 

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With that perspective of a thousand years as a day, yes. It will represent a 7th day rest.

That would be an elegant conclusion. And a litteral fulfillment that he made known the end from the beginning.
 

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hey, Christians have a rich tradition of -mancy, and i'm not meaning to judge; but we do have a section for it? that imo should not come up in New Posts either, but that is a diff subject

Its a kind of theology no?
 

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Its a kind of theology no?
stating what will happen tomorrow based upon an interpretation of anything is generally ascribed to seers and oracles in the Bible, i think. We have the term -mancy now to describe the various things that may be interpreted, a seer would be described as a -mancer now i guess. While it might seem theo to treat prophecy like this, Scripture condemns this practice more than one way imo; if the fruit of the practice--predicting erroneous dates, etc--was not already evident.

i guess maybe predicting might search more easily...
Bible Search: predict predicting

Christians are cautioned to avoid ppl predicting the future by any means imo
 

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stating what will happen tomorrow based upon an interpretation of anything is generally ascribed to seers and oracles in the Bible, i think. We have the term -mancy now to describe the various things that may be interpreted, a seer would be described as a -mancer now i guess. While it might seem theo to treat prophecy like this, Scripture condemns this practice more than one way imo; if the fruit of the practice--predicting erroneous dates, etc--was not already evident.

i guess maybe predicting might search more easily...
Bible Search: predict predicting

Christians are cautioned to avoid ppl predicting the future by any means imo
We should predict that prophecy will be fullfilled, or at the very least was fullfilled some time in the past.

Like it or not it is part of Christian belief. For example you need to have hope for the prophecised resurrection.
 

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We should predict that prophecy will be fullfilled, or at the very least was fullfilled some time in the past.

Like it or not it is part of Christian belief. For example you need to have hope for the prophecised resurrection.

And belief in the resurrection to come when Jesus returns is one of the basic principles of Christian doctrine as written in the New Testament. So how can someone claiming to be a Christian not believe it? Even the blind Pharisees believed in the resurrection to come.
 

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The "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night" and the resurrection of 1 Thess.4 and 1 Cor.15 on the "last trump" are key timing points our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave us to know His return after the tribulation is when that "day of the Lord" is and when the resurrection is.

The Key is this:
1. John 5:28-29 reveals both the "resurrection of life" AND the "resurrection of damnation" occur on the same day of Christ's second coming. That is another proof that Jesus' second coming is after the tribulation, since the "resurrection of damnation" involving the wicked will have happened.

2. The "day of the Lord" described by Apostle Peter burning man's works off the earth and the heavens passing away, also reveals the tribulation cannot happen beyond that point. Paul said it will come "as a thief in the night", Peter said the same thing, Jesus said He comes "as a thief", linking His second coming to that "day of the Lord" timing. So the "day of the Lord" event and Jesus' coming are solidly linked together.

3. The burning of man's works off this earth and the heavens passing away by that "day of the Lord" (2 Pet.3) is the pivot point between this present world and the world to come. Even though the "day of the Lord" event is not mentioned in Revelation 20, it's easy to know that pivot point has happened, because of the resurrection.

4. The resurrection of the saints is to occur on the day of Jesus' second coming, which is when He comes "as a thief". Thus the resurrection is solidly linked to that "day of the Lord" pivot point also.

5. According to Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5, that "day of the Lord" comes "as a thief in the night" upon the wicked, meaning it will come as a surprise upon the world. Jesus linked the day of His coming also as a surprise upon those who don't expect Him, chaining the two event's timings together again.
 
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The "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night" and the resurrection of 1 Thess.4 and 1 Cor.15 on the "last trump" are key timing points our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave us to know His return after the tribulation is when that "day of the Lord" is and when the resurrection is.

The Key is this:
1. John 5:28-29 reveals both the "resurrection of life" AND the "resurrection of damnation" occur on the same day of Christ's second coming. That is another proof that Jesus' second coming is after the tribulation, since the "resurrection of damnation" involving the wicked will have happened.

2. The "day of the Lord" described by Apostle Peter burning man's works off the earth and the heavens passing away, also reveals the tribulation cannot happen beyond that point. Paul said it will come "as a thief in the night", Peter said the same thing, Jesus said He comes "as a thief", linking His second coming to that "day of the Lord" timing. So the "day of the Lord" event and Jesus' coming are solidly linked together.

3. The burning of man's works off this earth and the heavens passing away by that "day of the Lord" (2 Pet.3) is the pivot point between this present world and the world to come. Even though the "day of the Lord" event is not mentioned in Revelation 20, it's easy to know that pivot point has happened, because of the resurrection.

4. The resurrection of the saints is to occur on the day of Jesus' second coming, which is when He comes "as a thief". Thus the resurrection is solidly linked to that "day of the Lord" pivot point also.

5. According to Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5, that "day of the Lord" comes "as a thief in the night" upon the wicked, meaning it will come as a surprise upon the world. Jesus linked the day of His coming also as a surprise upon those who don't expect Him, chaining the two event's timings together again.

Have you written this to show the Last Day and Day of the Lord will be the single day of both Jesus' Coming Again AND the one and only resurrection of ALL the dead?
Then you have done well! So do I believe by God's grace.

What you mean with 'the tribulation' though, raises some questions in my mind.
Because I understand 'the tribulation' is all the days of our lives, each one of our days, as well as of the People of God, the Christian Body of True Believers of any and ALL times.

That there will be fluctuations in the intensity of 'the tribulation', goes without question. But to 'prophesy' 'the tribulation' as some secluded period of time in the future, in principle does not differ from prophesying a specific time or date in the future for Jesus' Second Coming.

However, EVERY TIME it is written of the Judgement Day of Jesus' Second Coming and the resurrection of all the dead in the words, "in the Last Day" or "Day of the Lord", I believe, to the praise and honour of the Lord of That Day, that it is "the Seventh Day SABBATH day of the LORD GOD", WRITTEN of!

I won't try and force my conviction down anyone's throat, but the "TERRIBLE Day of the Lord" of Jesus' Coming, will witness to "ALL, the WORKS, OF GOD, FINISHED, BLESSED, HALLOWED, the Day The Seventh Day : GOD RESTED ON" : rested in Jesus Christ, whom "God RAISING Him from the dead, RESTED UP AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND : THE MOST HOLY PLACE IN HEAVENLY MAJESTY"* today, about 2000 years ago : "ON EARTH THY WILL AS IN HEAVEN : DONE!"
*Ephesians 1:19,20 Isaiah 57:15
 

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Have you written this to show the Last Day and Day of the Lord will be the single day of both Jesus' Coming Again AND the one and only resurrection of ALL the dead?
Then you have done well! So do I believe by God's grace.

That's what I believe per John 5:28-29, but not what others believe.

What you mean with 'the tribulation' though, raises some questions in my mind.
Because I understand 'the tribulation' is all the days of our lives, each one of our days, as well as of the People of God, the Christian Body of True Believers of any and ALL times.

That there will be fluctuations in the intensity of 'the tribulation', goes without question. But to 'prophesy' 'the tribulation' as some secluded period of time in the future, in principle does not differ from prophesying a specific time or date in the future for Jesus' Second Coming.

With that I disagree, because in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 Jesus specifically gave us certain signs of the end leading up to His return, and the period just prior to His coming He called a time of "great tribulation". And that definitely is NOT date setting, because He also said there no man knows the day or hour of His coming.