Psalm 74, A Psalm for the coming tribulations

[Truth7t7]

How do you reconcile this thousand years between your "same day" and God's Word?

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,"

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well, since the first resurrection is supposed to occur at the defeat of the antichrist, then what you're talking about is usually referred to as mid tribulation. Most Christians consider the persecutions under the antichrist and the natural catastrophes that occur during his reign as part of God's wrath.

God's Words Of Truth, There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On Earth For 1,000 Years, A Fabricated "Fairy Tale Of Man"

The resurrection of "All" takes place at the "Second Coming" on the (Last Day) as you have been shown,John 5:28-29, John 6:39-40, John 12:48

When Jesus Christ Returns The Resurrection Takes Place, As Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory (The End)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Correct, the Beast rules for the first half of the week, this is the great tribulation and the wrath of Satan. I Know that most place the abomination and the GT in the middle of the week and as the last half of the final week.

There is a future 3.5 year great tribulation that starts at the revealing of the future Antichrist in Jerusalem, it's the exact same time as the (Two Witnesses) 1260 day seen in "Parallel" not chronologically

Revelation 13:5 Antichrist 42 months, Revelation 11:3 Two Witnesses 1260 days same time, seen in "Parallel" as the witnesses will stand before the Antichrist bringing plagues the entire time, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

 

[marks]

Of course ALL face tribulation but NOT the great tribulation which is God's wrath on this evil world!!!

To say that Jesus' promise that we will experience tribulation, to make that as if He said all Christians will go through the "Great Tribulation", to me this shows a very poor understanding of both logic and Scripture.

To use that erroneous conclusion, that "tribulation" = "the great tribulation", to use that as a reason for end times rapture timing is disengenuous, I think.

Much love!

 

[marks]

We are still in birth pangs before the great tribulation.

Mat 24:6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.

Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

Mat 24:8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

Shalom

Yes, it's a simile. Not an actual birth. The beginnings of these things . . .

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

To say that Jesus' promise that we will experience tribulation, to make that as if He said all Christians will go through the "Great Tribulation", to me this shows a very poor understanding of both logic and Scripture.

To use that erroneous conclusion, that "tribulation" = "the great tribulation", to use that as a reason for end times rapture timing is disengenuous, I think.

Much love!

To claim there is a "Pre-Trib Rapture" is against scripture and logic

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[marks]

To claim there is a "Pre-Trib Rapture" is against scripture and logic

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I'm sorry, where does this passage teach the church remains on earth during the "tribulation"? I'm not seeing that.

Who was Jesus speaking to? The church? Which hadn't been revealed yet? And which if Jesus WERE actually revealing the church, then however would Paul be saying he was the one revealing the church, a musterion?

The other way to see this, without creating that sort of conflict, is to go with the straightforward presentation of the passage, how it presents itself. Jesus told the Jews about what would be happening regarding them.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm sorry, where does this passage teach the church remains on earth during the "tribulation"? I'm not seeing that.

Who was Jesus speaking to? The church? Which hadn't been revealed yet? And which if Jesus WERE actually revealing the church, then however would Paul be saying he was the one revealing the church, a musterion?

The other way to see this, without creating that sort of conflict, is to go with the straightforward presentation of the passage, how it presents itself. Jesus told the Jews about what would be happening regarding them.

Much love!

Jesus Was Speaking To The "Future" Church Prophetically, Those That Are Persecuted For The Name Of Jesus Christ Luke 21:12 "The Church" Where There Is Neither Jew Nor Gentile/Greek

Yes Your In Denial Of The Very Clear Words Of God Below

Yes Luke wrote of the "Prophetical Future" that would come upon the "Church" In The Spoken Words Of Jesus Christ, Prophetical Future

Yes the prophetic words are speaking of the future "Church" being persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ Luke 21:12

Yes the prophetic words are speaking of the future "Church" that will be filled with the Holy Spirit after pentecost, with words that the adversary wont be able to resist

Luke 21:12-13KJV
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Yes The Great Tribulation Is Seen Below, Signs In The Sun, Moon, Mens Hearts Failing, Earthquakes, Heavens Shake

Yes The Church will be present on earth to witness the "Future" great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[marks]

Jesus Was Speaking To The "Future" Church Prophetically, Those That Are Persecuted For The Name Of Jesus Christ Luke 21:12 "The Church" Where There Is Neither Jew Nor Gentile/Greek

Then these little details such as Paul revealing a mystery don't concern you. In Christ, in the church, as you say, there is neither Greek nor Jew. But that doesn't change the fact that the church was mystery, not yet revealed. You take Jesus' words out of their context when you address them to the church. We learn, we benefit, but we don't replace the original audience.

Paul's letters, as an example, were written to us, the church.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Then these little details such as Paul revealing a mystery don't concern you. In Christ, in the church, as you say, there is neither Greek nor Jew. But that doesn't change the fact that the church was mystery, not yet revealed. You take Jesus' words out of their context when you address them to the church. We learn, we benefit, but we don't replace the original audience.

Paul's letters, as an example, were written to us, the church.

Much love!

Did the audience alive in 33AD witness the signs below (No) they are future, as Jesus was speaking prophetically of signs that precede his second coming

Your in error, and want this to apply to a specific race on earth "Wrong" it represents the Church that will be persecuted for the name of Jesus, and will be eyewitnesses of the second coming "Future"

You aren't going to remove this truth, with Hope's of validating a pre-trib rapture, that's found no place in scripture

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Timtofly]

There is no rapture in scripture. The gathering together of the saints occurs at the 1st resurrection. That's what scripture actually says. That's why the living saints do not precede the dead ones at the first resurrection and why the first resurrection doesn't happen until the defeat of the antichrist. All the saints are gathered together at one time. The idea of a separate class of "tribulation saints" denies the plain meaning of scripture and is pure antisemitic fantasy.

What first resurrection? You make no sense, and then call God anti-semitic because he seals 144k virgin Israelites?

 

[Timtofly]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

You did not even address your post, nor mine. Thank you for the Non-Literal reply.

 

[Truth7t7]

What first resurrection? You make no sense, and then call God anti-semitic because he seals 144k virgin Israelites?

Those 144,000 have been sealed and added to the church on earth during the tribulation, just as all believers are sealed

 

[Ziggy]

Just read this as I was having trouble sleeping. I was thinking about how near we are to the Great tribulation and so many are unaware, lost, or consumed by the cares of this world to notice how close we are. I Picked up my Bible and read this and immediately I Knew this was a prayer for these times we are living in. Read the words with that in mind....


74 O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?

2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

3 Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary.

4 Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs.

5 A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees.

6 But now they break down the carved work thereof at once with axes and hammers.

7 They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.

8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.

9 We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long.

10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

11 Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? pluck it out of thy bosom.

12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.

14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers.

16 The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun.

17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.

18 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O Lord, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.

19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.

20 Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.

21 O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.

22 Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.

23 Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually.

Sounds like storm.
Is your house built on a Rock
Thank You for sharing
Hugs

 

[David H.]

Sounds like storm.
Is your house built on a Rock
Thank You for sharing
Hugs

1. My hope is built on nothing less
   Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
   I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
   But wholly lean on Jesus’ name.
   • Refrain:
     On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand;
     All other ground is sinking sand,
     All other ground is sinking sand.
2. When darkness veils His lovely face,
   I rest on His unchanging grace;
   In every high and stormy gale,
   My anchor holds within the veil.
3. His oath, His covenant, His blood
   Support me in the whelming flood;
   When all around my soul gives way,
   He then is all my hope and stay.
4. When He shall come with trumpet sound,
   Oh, may I then in Him be found;
   Dressed in His righteousness alone,
   Faultless to stand before the throne.

The Solid Rock > Lyrics | Edward Mote (timelesstruths.org)

 

[michaelvpardo]

What first resurrection? You make no sense, and then call God anti-semitic because he seals 144k virgin Israelites?

Have you actually read the bible?
By the way, God doesn't invent fantasy doctrines that create disparities between saints. That job belongs to idiots with reading comprehension issues.

 

[Ziggy]

I find when something is repeated in the bible it means LOOK, someone is trying to make a point.
I was looking up 12000 and these 4 verses one after the other came up in the search.

1Ki 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
1Ki 10:26 And Solomon gathered together chariots and horsemen: and he had a thousand and four hundred chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he bestowed in the cities for chariots, and with the king at Jerusalem.
2Ch 1:14 And Solomon gathered chariots and horsemen: and he had a thousand and four hundred chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, which he placed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
2Ch 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

why is 12000 horseman important?

and it is 1000 from each twelve tribes Moses was to choose to go against the midianites = 12000
Num 31:3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
Num 31:4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
Num 31:5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

12 x 12000 = 144000

Are these the saints that come to fight with Michael?

I don't know..
just tossing this in there.
I haven't studied numbers enough yet.
I'm still working on fruits
:)
Hugs

 

[Timtofly]

Have you actually read the bible?
By the way, God doesn't invent fantasy doctrines that create disparities between saints. That job belongs to idiots with reading comprehension issues.

I understand the Bible.

I do not understand your interpretation.