Relationship 2

[CharismaticLady]

Have you considered Paul speaking retrospective from the 'in Christ position now. Only a man in Christ could speak to the sin nature because no one knew anything about a sin nature until Paul receiving his revelation gives the understanding in scripture such as verses quoted. They all knew they sinned because they were always in hot water for not keeping the law. But knowing you sin, and having the knowledge of why you sin (Paul gives the understanding) and what caused you the trouble is two different things


Paul said he was alive once without the law. Paul was never alive without the law. Do have something on that?

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. - Romans 7:9-11.

Of course it is retrospective looking back at his life as a Pharisee. But too many Christians believe it is Paul speaking presently as a Christian. Verse 9 is mankind before and after Moses receives the Law, so unless Paul was over 1,300 years old when he wrote this chapter, the "I" doesn't make this present tense, as believed by those who want to justyfy their weakness towards sin as being normal. It's not. They have never been born again and still must truly repent and be filled with the Spirit to be free of the desires of the old sin nature. I know! It took me thirty years! But only after repenting and being free from all desire to sin did I realize to my dismay that I had only been a "Christian" in name only, but Jesus never knew me. Thank God, I lived past being damned.

 

[soul man]

Of course it is retrospective looking back at his life as a Pharisee. But too many Christians believe it is Paul speaking presently as a Christian. Verse 9 is mankind before and after Moses receives the Law, so unless Paul was over 1,300 years old when he wrote this chapter, the "I" doesn't make this present tense, as believed by those who want to justyfy their weakness towards sin as being normal. It's not. They have never been born again and still must truly repent and be filled with the Spirit to be free of the desires of the old sin nature. I know! It took me thirty years! But only after repenting and being free from all desire to sin did I realize to my dismay that I had only been a "Christian" in name only, but Jesus never knew me. Thank God, I lived past being damned.

Yes I understand that. what about Christ? I see that as complete and growth as soul. How would you see that it as far as Christ being in a believer, when would that be realized?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes I understand that. what about Christ? I see that as complete and growth as soul. How would you see that it as far as Christ being in a believer, when would that be realized?

It IS Christ that is in us. He is not separate from the Holy Spirit. Look at Romans 8:9. What do you see? I see the Trinity.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[soul man]

It IS Christ that is in us. He is not separate from the Holy Spirit. Look at Romans 8:9. What do you see? I see the Trinity.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

I'm not for sure of context there I believe in the Trinity and would say yes but at the same time my understanding would be we have to separate all the Godhead. In the scriptures the Holyspirit is not Christ and Christ is not the Father and so on. Scripture never declares the Holyspirit to be savior nor Christ as the teacher (Holyspirit) they are 3 separate yet one. The Trinity. The Trinity in my opinion had caused alot of misunderstanding for people trying to figure it out. There are certain things you don't need to know just believe, and the Trinity is one of those things. When in scripture we have Christ as life well over 150 times. It is weight wise, the heaviest message in all scripture yet the most under heard.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I'm not for sure of context there I believe in the Trinity and would say yes but at the same time my understanding would be we have to separate all the Godhead. In the scriptures the Holyspirit is not Christ and Christ is not the Father and so on. Scripture never declares the Holyspirit to be savior nor Christ as the teacher (Holyspirit) they are 3 separate yet one. The Trinity. The Trinity in my opinion had caused alot of misunderstanding for people trying to figure it out. There are certain things you don't need to know just believe, and the Trinity is one of those things. When in scripture we have Christ as life well over 150 times. It is weight wise, the heaviest message in all scripture yet the most under heard.

We know that the Father and the Holy Spirit are spirit. They are invisible, and both were in Christ. Jesus is the embodiment of the godhead. Though they are separate substances, they are not separate persons. Tertullian understood this, and he is where we get the concept of the Trinity about 200 A.D.

The way I understand the Trinity is man. We have a body that would be dead without the mind and heart. Jesus is the body, and He said, He does nothing that He doesn't see the Father doing in heaven. IOW in His mind. The mind is the Father. It is where we get our nature that is either controlled by God or the devil. Divine nature or carnal nature. The Spirit is the heart, our life-force. He empowers us. The Spirit supplies the gifts of the Spirit.

Before Jesus was man, He was God's Word. In the beginning the Father created everything first in His mind, then He spoke the Word, and the Spirit empowered the Word to become created. Nothing would have been created without all three working in unison.