Revaluation 5 - Where was Jesus

[IndianaRob]

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Where was Jesus? Was he missing or was he not able to unseal the book?

Think about that for a minute.

Ok times up.

The first part of Revelation is Jesus PRIOR TO dying on the cross.

The rest of chapter 5 is Jesus appearing in heaven AFTER he paid the price to unseal the book.

You’re welcome!

 

[Marty fox]

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Where was Jesus? Was he missing or was he not able to unseal the book?

Think about that for a minute.

Ok times up.

The first part of Revelation is Jesus PRIOR TO dying on the cross.

The rest of chapter 5 is Jesus appearing in heaven AFTER he paid the price to unseal the book.

You’re welcome!

That makes no sense then because Jesus would of been on the earth and verse 3 says no man on earth. Jesus was in heaven at the beginning but He isn't a mire man He is God and was worthy just like the Father was sitting on the throne and was worthy at the beginning of the chapter.

 

[IndianaRob]

That makes no sense then because Jesus would of been on the earth and verse 3 says no man on earth. Jesus was in heaven at the beginning but He isn't a mire man He is God and was worthy just like the Father was sitting on the throne and was worthy at the beginning of the chapter.

Thanks for reply Marty. Where was Jesus before he appeared in heaven later in that chapter?

 

[Marty fox]

Thanks for reply Marty. Where was Jesus before he appeared in heaven later in that chapter?

He was in heaven as a Lamb, the angel said "see the Lamb" not that the Lamb appeared

 

[IndianaRob]

He was in heaven as a Lamb, the angel said "see the Lamb" not that the Lamb appeared

Then how was he in heaven and not worthy to open the seals?

is the idea that John just didn’t see Jesus in heaven so he said “And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.”

I’m trying to understand your logic on this.

 

[Marty fox]

Then how was he in heaven and not worthy to open the seals?

is the idea that John just didn’t see Jesus in heaven so he said “And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.”

I’m trying to understand your logic on this.

No man is or ever was worthy, Jesus is more than a man. John said "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book".

 

[IndianaRob]

No man is or ever was worthy, Jesus is more than a man.

Ok thanks.

 

[Marty fox]

Ok thanks.

Does that make sense to you? I added to post #6

 

[IndianaRob]

Does that make sense to you? I added to post #6

I think what you mean is the problem is that there was no MAN worthy. Is that right?

 

[Marty fox]

I think what you mean is the problem is that there was no MAN worthy. Is that right?

Yes, and Jesus is not just a mere man.

Also, Jesus was symbolically as Lamb in chapter 5

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes, and Jesus is not just a mere man.

Also, Jesus was symbolically as Lamb in chapter 5

Yes, Jesus is fully God and fully man. The question isn’t whether God had the power to open the scroll, of course He does. The issue in Revelation 5 is about worthiness, not power.

The text says “no man” was found worthy to open it. That means the scroll had to be opened by someone who met specific qualifications, someone who represented humanity and had overcome where everyone else had failed.

Jesus qualifies because He became human and lived a perfect, obedient life. He didn’t open the scroll just because He’s God — He opened it as the only man who was worthy.

So, yes: a perfect man had to open the scroll. That’s the whole point of the buildup in Revelation

Sorry about the wordiness of that I told ai what I wanted say and it handled the grammar to make my point understandable.

You may not agree with this but that’s how I see it.

 

[Davidpt]

That makes no sense then because Jesus would of been on the earth and verse 3 says no man on earth. Jesus was in heaven at the beginning but He isn't a mire man He is God and was worthy just like the Father was sitting on the throne and was worthy at the beginning of the chapter.

You beat me to it. I was basically going to make that exact same point.

 

[Exegesis]

No one posting so far is correct.

There is only one throne, yet Jesus is there at the right hand.

And yet... Jesus did not have seven eyes and seven horns, therefore Jesus is not there as any of you describe.

You folks need to add *all* of the clues, not just a few.

Keep trying. Here is a hint:

Revelation 22:1 - "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."

Good luck.

 

[Exegesis]

The rest of chapter 5 is Jesus appearing in heaven AFTER he paid the price to unseal the book.

Nope. He was there. I will not reveal how until I see if anyone else can solve it.

 

[IndianaRob]

Nope. He was there. I will not reveal how until I see if anyone else can solve it.

Im all ears . Can’t wait to hear your take on it.

 

[IndianaRob]

You beat me to it. I was basically going to make that exact same point.

Do you think Jesus as God was qualified to open the seals or was Jesus as man qualified to open the seals?

If Jesus as God was able to do it then why was it ever sealed in the first place?

Also the sealed book was the Old Testament which was unsealed by the New Testament.

Grace and prophecy were sealed up until the New Testament came.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus was worthy to open the book because He is the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world for the redemption of fallen mankind.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1Peter1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

 

[Marty fox]

You beat me to it. I was basically going to make that exact same point.

Its nice to agree once in a while eh? LOL

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, Jesus is fully God and fully man. The question isn’t whether God had the power to open the scroll, of course He does. The issue in Revelation 5 is about worthiness, not power.

The text says “no man” was found worthy to open it. That means the scroll had to be opened by someone who met specific qualifications, someone who represented humanity and had overcome where everyone else had failed.

Jesus qualifies because He became human and lived a perfect, obedient life. He didn’t open the scroll just because He’s God — He opened it as the only man who was worthy.

So, yes: a perfect man had to open the scroll. That’s the whole point of the buildup in Revelation

Sorry about the wordiness of that I told ai what I wanted say and it handled the grammar to make my point understandable.

You may not agree with this but that’s how I see it.

Yes of course Jesus could open the scroll because He wa sthe only one worthey but when Jesus went back up to heaven He was fully God

 

[Marty fox]

No one posting so far is correct.

There is only one throne, yet Jesus is there at the right hand.

And yet... Jesus did not have seven eyes and seven horns, therefore Jesus is not there as any of you describe.

You folks need to add *all* of the clues, not just a few.

Keep trying. Here is a hint:



Good luck.

Are you saying that Jesus wasn't the slain lamb?