Revaluation 5 - Where was Jesus

[IndianaRob]

Yes of course Jesus could open the scroll because He wa sthe only one worthey but when Jesus went back up to heaven He was fully God

There has never been a time when Jesus wasn’t God, even when he here in the flesh. You don’t believe that?

 

[Marty fox]

There has never been a time when Jesus wasn’t God, even when he here in the flesh. You don’t believe that?

Of course I do why woul dyou think that?

What I was saying is that Jesu swasn't man anymore when He went back up to heaven

 

[Exegesis]

Are you saying that Jesus wasn't the slain lamb?

Before I answer, how do you define the Trinity?

 

[Marty fox]

Before I answer, how do you define the Trinity?

One God in three persons

 

[Exegesis]

One God in three persons

Thanks, I should have been more specific. What are the three persons in Heaven?

I will give you my definition:

1 John 5:7 - "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Although the Johannine Comma was most likely inserted later, I believe it to be spot-on.

 

[Exegesis]

Something to meditate on:

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Doesn't specify what the new name is eh? Hmmmmm....

Revelation 19:13 - "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."​

 

[Exegesis]

Does only One sit on the throne, or do Three sit on the throne as One?

Imagine if he was literally inside...

John 1:18 - "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

Yes, as in literally *inside* the Father... in the bosom. How does that work?

In the heart of the Father, surrounded by twenty-four...


The BLOOD in the heart.

 

[Marty fox]

Thanks, I should have been more specific. What are the three persons in Heaven?

I will give you my definition:



Although the Johannine Comma was most likely inserted later, I believe it to be spot-on.

The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit

 

[Exegesis]

The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit

OK, then I recommend this verse:

Hebrews 7:10- "For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."

The Son is literally 'inside' the Father. You can also think of it as:

1. Body
2. Soul
3. Spirit

Like this:

1. God's Body is the Father sitting on the throne
2. God's Soul is the Word of God, the Lamb, Abraham's Seed
3. God's Spirit is the Holy Ghost/Seven Spirits/Seven Eyes

The heart and loins are related. It is a form of euphemism for Abraham's Seed.

The seed is in the loins, yet it emanates out of the Father when it's time to fertilize the Seed of the Woman:

Revelation 22:1 - "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."

Get it? Fertilization?

Luke 8:11 - "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."

The Lamb is the Word portion of the Trinity that is sitting on the throne. It is symbolic of Abraham's Seed. The seed is in the heart and loins of the Father.

Galatians 3:16 - Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

They all combine into One.

 

[Exegesis]

The first part of Revelation is Jesus PRIOR TO dying on the cross.

The rest of chapter 5 is Jesus appearing in heaven AFTER he paid the price to unseal the book.

You’re welcome!

If we go with the above, a question arises. Did Jesus go to Abraham's Bosom after he died?

Luke 23:43 - "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Was Abraham's Bosom 'emptied out' after the Crucifixion? I do not believe it was. I believe Jesus went to Paradise, aka, Abraham's Bosom:

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Abraham's Bosom is the Third Heaven. It is the Kingdom of God Within... LITERALLY human physiology. God is using human physiology to describe the Born Again process.

You're welcome.

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That is what the Throne Room is. It is Abraham's Bosom where the Lamb, the 'main seed' will lead the other seed into 'Her Gates' so that they can be reconceived and be born again from the ovum growing on the Tree of Life:

Revelation 7:17 - "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

They have some traveling to do.

Abraham is the archetype of the Heavenly Father. He will have many children with New Jerusalem, Sarah. The Redeemed are graffed into the tree...

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It is the opposite of how we all got here. We all partook of the 'other' Zygote, remember? The other tree in the Garden? We made a covenant with death and here we are.

This is for @Azim ...

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[Scott Downey]

How many think Jesus did not need to be 'PERFECTED'?
Yes, He is God the Son.

But He had to be perfected as Jesus the Christ to be our savior and mediator to God the Father as our Great High Priest.

Hebrews 2:10
For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 5

A Priest Forever​

5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.”
6 As He also says in another place:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek”;
7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,

8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.

9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

10 called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,” 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 5 - New King James Version

Qualifications for High Priesthood - For every high priest taken from among men is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness...

www.biblegateway.com

Hebrews 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

 

[Marty fox]

OK, then I recommend this verse:



The Son is literally 'inside' the Father. You can also think of it as:

1. Body
2. Soul
3. Spirit

Like this:

1. God's Body is the Father sitting on the throne
2. God's Soul is the Word of God, the Lamb, Abraham's Seed
3. God's Spirit is the Holy Ghost/Seven Spirits/Seven Eyes

The heart and loins are related. It is a form of euphemism for Abraham's Seed.

The seed is in the loins, yet it emanates out of the Father when it's time to fertilize the Seed of the Woman:



Get it? Fertilization?



The Lamb is the Word portion of the Trinity that is sitting on the throne. It is symbolic of Abraham's Seed. The seed is in the heart and loins of the Father.



They all combine into One.

Then how would you explain this verse?

Acts 7
55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God

 

[PinSeeker]

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Where was Jesus?

Do you think Him not to have been right there? "And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain" (Revelation 5:6).

Was he missing...?

No... <smile>

...or was he not able to unseal the book?

Well... "...He went and took the scroll from the right hand of Him Who was seated on the throne. And when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb... And they sang a new song, saying, 'Worthy are You to take the scroll and to open its seals, for You were slain, and by Your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and You have made them a kingdom and priests to our God..." (Revelation 5:7-10). Do you not "see" Jesus there?

Think about that for a minute.

None of us should need a whole minute, really... <smile>

The first part of Revelation is Jesus PRIOR TO dying on the cross.

Well, yes and no... <chuckles>

The rest of chapter 5 is Jesus appearing in heaven AFTER he paid the price to unseal the book.

Again, yes and no... <chuckles> What we should imagine, or "see," as John does, is looking into the future and "seeing" our future selves and what will be the reality then... so that then knowing now at least to an extent our future lot and where we will be we can now know what our future is and take comfort in and even be blessed now by our present circumstances. This is what John is saying at the outset of Revelation when he says, "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near" (Revelation 1:3).

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Davy]

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Where was Jesus? Was he missing or was he not able to unseal the book?

Think about that for a minute.

Ok times up.

The first part of Revelation is Jesus PRIOR TO dying on the cross.

The rest of chapter 5 is Jesus appearing in heaven AFTER he paid the price to unseal the book.

You’re welcome!

Naw... you are WAY... overthinking that.

The WHOLE Book of Revelation is for the time AFTER Jesus' death and resurrection. That because the Book is about prophecy for the END of this world leading up to His FUTURE return.