ROMANS REFUTES ACTS 28 POSITION

[Doug]

[Romans 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

There are those who contend that Paul did not receive the mystery until he was in prison. They contend that only his prison epistles express the mystery, and all his other epistles reflected what was found in the old testament prophets. This is called Acts 28 right division.

The mystery revealed to Paul was hidden wisdom, things kept secret until revealed to us by God.

[Job 25:4 KJV] 4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean [that is] born of a woman?

Romans reveals the mystery of how God could forgive the sins of those who existed before the cross. Those in the old testament period did not know how God could forgive sins, as can be seen by Job above. How God could forgive sins was not made known to the prophets.

Some may say, well, the sacrifices in the old testament were the means to provide forgiveness of sins.
This notion is refuted by the following verse: [Hebrews 10:4 KJV] 4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Clearly Paul received the mystery, and revealed it in Romans. Romans is a non-prison epistle. Romans 3:25 reveals how God could forgive "sins that are past". Sins that are past are not our past sins before we were saved. Past sins are those committed by individuals before the cross.

The mystery revealed by Paul in Romans 3:25 refutes Acts 28 false teaching.

 

[GodsGrace]

[Romans 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

There are those who contend that Paul did not receive the mystery until he was in prison. They contend that only his prison epistles express the mystery, and all his other epistles reflected what was found in the old testament prophets. This is called Acts 28 right division.

The mystery revealed to Paul was hidden wisdom, things kept secret until revealed to us by God.

[Job 25:4 KJV] 4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean [that is] born of a woman?

Romans reveals the mystery of how God could forgive the sins of those who existed before the cross. Those in the old testament period did not know how God could forgive sins, as can be seen by Job above. How God could forgive sins was not made known to the prophets.

Some may say, well, the sacrifices in the old testament were the means to provide forgiveness of sins.
This notion is refuted by the following verse: [Hebrews 10:4 KJV] 4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Clearly Paul received the mystery, and revealed it in Romans. Romans is a non-prison epistle. Romans 3:25 reveals how God could forgive "sins that are past". Sins that are past are not our past sins before we were saved. Past sins are those committed by individuals before the cross.

The mystery revealed by Paul in Romans 3:25 refutes Acts 28 false teaching.

The above is very interesting but I think you've posted more than one idea here.

To show how Romans refutes Acts...you'd have to post both and then speak to the difference.

Also, you bring up Hebrews 10:4 which is referring to the Mosaic Covenant...thus changing the subject.
Also, you're not taking away the main point of Hebrews 10:4, which is not what I believe you've posted.

Then you also speak of a mystery.

Too much here - at least for me.

So what does Romans 3:25 state
and what does Acts 28 state

and where is the conflict?

So far I've found no conflicts in the NT.

 

[Doug]

The above is very interesting but I think you've posted more than one idea here.

To show how Romans refutes Acts...you'd have to post both and then speak to the difference.

Also, you bring up Hebrews 10:4 which is referring to the Mosaic Covenant...thus changing the subject.
Also, you're not taking away the main point of Hebrews 10:4, which is not what I believe you've posted.

Then you also speak of a mystery.

Too much here - at least for me.

So what does Romans 3:25 state
and what does Acts 28 state

and where is the conflict?

So far I've found no conflicts in the NT.

Acts 28 people say Romans contained no mystery because it wasnt written in prison. Romans 3:25 refutes that because it revealed how God could forgive past sins of Israel. This was not revealed anywhere else.
Acts 28 people say only Paul's prison epistles contain mystery revelations

 

[GodsGrace]

Acts 28 people say Romans contained no mystery because it wasnt written in prison. Romans 3:25 refutes that because it revealed how God could forgive past sins of Israel. This was not revealed anywhere else.
Acts 28 people say only Paul's prison epistles contain mystery revelations

OK.
I just can't go here.
I don't understand.
Sorry.

 

[Doug]

OK.
I just can't go here.
I don't understand.
Sorry.

No need to go there. Acts 28 beliefs are in error

 

[GodsGrace]

No need to go there. Acts 28 beliefs are in error

Ok...but I have to disagree that there is error in the NT.

Do you realize that this would make the NT untrustworthy?

 

[Doug]

Ok...but I have to disagree that there is error in the NT.

Do you realize that this would make the NT untrustworthy?

I never said the NT has errors Teachings can be in error

 

[Behold]

There are those who contend that Paul did not receive the mystery until he was in prison. They contend that only his prison epistles express the mystery, and all his other epistles reflected what was found in the old testament prophets. This is called Acts 28 right division.

Paul stated in Galatians 1 that right after His conversion, He went into a private place, and Jesus taught Him The Gospel and the Doctrine for the Church.
This "schooling" lasted for 3 yrs.., and after that Paul went to Jerusalem and met Peter.

Later, in Acts 15, Paul and all the remaining Apostles met, tho its possible that Paul met some at other times and the NT does not record it.

So, All of this was long before Acts 28, or when Paul finally ended up in Rome.

 

[GodsGrace]

Acts 28 people say Romans contained no mystery because it wasnt written in prison. Romans 3:25 refutes that because it revealed how God could forgive past sins of Israel. This was not revealed anywhere else.
Acts 28 people say only Paul's prison epistles contain mystery revelations

OK .... I understand now.

Knowing where Paul was when he wrote any paricular letter and studying what was in the ones when he was in prison would be quite a study.
One I have no plan of doing.

However, yes, Romans 3:25 states that we are saved by faith in Jesus, we receive His righteousness, and the is a New Covenant.

As far as I'm concerned....I don't know in which letters Paul made this statement -- probably more than one?
In any case, yes, Paul did make this statement and this is all that matters.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Doug]

OK .... I understand now.

Knowing where Paul was when he wrote any paricular letter and studying what was in the ones when he was in prison would be quite a study.
One I have no plan of doing.

However, yes, Romans 3:25 states that we are saved by faith in Jesus, we receive His righteousness, and the is a New Covenant.

As far as I'm concerned....I don't know in which letters Paul made this statement -- probably more than one?
In any case, yes, Paul did make this statement and this is all that matters.

Thanks for clarifying.

Good
Your welcome

 

[Muna]

That quote from Job came from Bildad the Shuhite too

Job 25:1 Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,

Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

Job 25:5 Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Job 26:1 But Job answered and said,

Job 26:4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?

They didn't always speak what was right

Job 42:7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.