Saudi Nuke Deal

[IndianaRob]

Right now we need to know who is in our country, where the sleeper cells are, how many other ways we have been infiltrated.
It is not a surveillence on the American Citizens but those who don't belong here.
When we don't need it anymore, we will take it down.
Everything has time limits.
If you paid attention you would know that.
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Sort of like these “temporary” measures?

The Patriot Act — the clearest case. It was passed with sunset clauses built right in: several of its most sensitive surveillance provisions, Section 215 among them, were written to expire (originally at the end of 2005) precisely so Congress could reassure the public these were emergency powers for the post-9/11 moment, not permanent fixtures. What actually happened: they were reauthorized in 2006, again in 2011, again in 2015 (in modified form), and Section 215 didn't lapse until 2020 — nearly two decades of "temporary." The sunset, in practice, became the renewal ritual.

FISA Section 702 — temporary by design, permanent in effect. Every version has carried an expiration date: it was enacted in 2008 with a sunset, reauthorized in 2012, 2018, and 2024, each time as a time-limited grant requiring Congress to revisit it. That's eighteen years of a program that has never once been allowed to become open-ended on paper — yet has never actually stopped. The 2024 reauthorization (RISAA) deliberately used a short two-year window to force another debate, and here we are with it lapsed and under renegotiation. The temporariness is real on the statute and illusory in practice.

The original warrantless program behind 702 — the "emergency" that got laundered into law. Bush's Terrorist Surveillance Program ran secretly from late 2001 as an extraordinary post-attack measure. When it was exposed and challenged, the response wasn't to end it — it was to legalize and expand its logic into Section 702. So the "temporary crisis measure" didn't get dismantled; it got a permanent statutory home.

 

[Ziggy]

Sort of like these “temporary” measures?

The Patriot Act — the clearest case. It was passed with sunset clauses built right in: several of its most sensitive surveillance provisions, Section 215 among them, were written to expire (originally at the end of 2005) precisely so Congress could reassure the public these were emergency powers for the post-9/11 moment, not permanent fixtures. What actually happened: they were reauthorized in 2006, again in 2011, again in 2015 (in modified form), and Section 215 didn't lapse until 2020 — nearly two decades of "temporary." The sunset, in practice, became the renewal ritual.

FISA Section 702 — temporary by design, permanent in effect. Every version has carried an expiration date: it was enacted in 2008 with a sunset, reauthorized in 2012, 2018, and 2024, each time as a time-limited grant requiring Congress to revisit it. That's eighteen years of a program that has never once been allowed to become open-ended on paper — yet has never actually stopped. The 2024 reauthorization (RISAA) deliberately used a short two-year window to force another debate, and here we are with it lapsed and under renegotiation. The temporariness is real on the statute and illusory in practice.

The original warrantless program behind 702 — the "emergency" that got laundered into law. Bush's Terrorist Surveillance Program ran secretly from late 2001 as an extraordinary post-attack measure. When it was exposed and challenged, the response wasn't to end it — it was to legalize and expand its logic into Section 702. So the "temporary crisis measure" didn't get dismantled; it got a permanent statutory home.

Ok don't watch the hearing stay in ignorance.
When you watch the Hearing let me know or not.

 

[IndianaRob]

Ok don't watch the hearing stay in ignorance.
When you watch the Hearing let me know or not.

The hearing is propaganda, thats how tyrants rule. They say whatever you want hear and do whatever they want to do.

Look around at everything you're losing. Privacy, anonymity, due process, free association, the freedom to move unwatched, the right to dissent without a file being opened on you and streets you can walk without a camera logging your face.

Clean water, clean air, soil that isn't poisoned, rivers you can fish, a stable climate, food you can trust with honest labels, a wage that keeps pace with the rent, a pension that'll actually be there when you reach it.

The things that used to be the floor, the baseline a decent society guaranteed, are being priced, polluted, or paperworked out of reach one at a time, while we're told to be grateful for what's left.

This ain’t Biden this is the Trump regime doing this.