Science and God

[dattaswami8]

Science is also composed by scientists, who are human beings only. If one says that he does not believe science since it is framed by human beings only, the statement of that scientist is also similar towards spiritual knowledge. Regarding the practical authentication, Shri Satya Sai Baba did several miracles, which are observed by several scientists and lot of public in very close manner. You neither believe theoretical nor practical spiritual knowledge. If one says that he doesn’t believe theoretical and practical science, your statement will be similar. Suppose I say that since Einstein was a human being, the formula E=MC2 proposed by him can’t be also believed, how will it look? You may say that blasting atom bomb proves this formula, I will say that I will not believe the formula even if practical authentication is there.

You have also said that you don’t believe the theoretical spiritual knowledge in spite of its practical authentication given, through the divine miracles performed by Godmen. You may say that you have not seen a divine miracle. I can also say that I have not seen the blast of bomb or transformation of matter into energy. As you are towards spiritual knowledge so I am towards science. But I am not such a blind conservative like you. I accept the science in theory and in practicals also as the subject of imaginable domain. The subject of unimaginable domain is spiritual knowledge. If you say that you have majority of atheistic scientists to support your views, I have the real majority of supporters of spiritual knowledge because every true scientist believes in spiritual knowledge. Do you know that even Einstein and Newton were good scholars in spiritual knowledge? True science always believes in a practical event that happens before eyes. The perfect logic of such unimaginable event (miracle) may not be understood. Since it is not understood, science will not say the event is false.


True science accepts the happening of a practical event and keeps silent about its explanation. Science will say that the event is beyond imagination and logic. But, atheists see that an unimaginable event is always false. They neither can give the explanation nor at least accept it as unimaginable like a true scientist. Science always keeps silent about the unimaginable domain, but never negates its existence. Atheists are emotional and loose balance of mind and even common logic by simply negating the existence of unimaginable event since everything must be imaginable to them!

 

[2404]

Science is of the finite realm 'striving to become'.

 

[dattaswami8]

Science is of the finite realm 'striving to become'.

Science is the logical analysis of the items existing in this creation based on only one authority that is perception (Pratyaksha Pramanam). Even in the ancient logic, all the authorities (Pramanas) are based on perception only. You see the fire giving smoke. This is deduction or perception. When you see the smoke coming from a distance and do not see the fire, you say that fire exists there and this is induction or inference (Anumana Pramanam). But this induction is based on your previous deduction only. Somebody says to you that fire gives smoke. If that person is your dearest, you believe it and infer the fire from the smoke. This is authority of word ‘Shabdha Pramanam’.


Though you have not seen the fire, your dearest person has seen the smoke coming from fire. Like this all the authorities are based on perception only. I do not find any scripture of any Religion, which contradicts the experience of perception. There are four ways of authority. 1) Sruthi, which is the original scripture. 2) Smrithi, which is the commentaries of Scholars on the original scripture. 3) Yukthi, the logical analysis based on deduction, induction etc., 4) Anubhava, the experience based on the perception of the items in this world, which may be direct or indirect. Out of these four ways, the fourth way is the most powerful. If anything contradicts the fourth way, that is not valid or it may be a misinterpretation based on misunderstanding of the Sruthi or Smrithi or Yukthi. Thus Science and Philosophy are not separate. The very frame of the spiritual knowledge is Science only. Thus Science is the basic foundation and over all underlying structure of all the Scriptures.


A true Scientist should always stand on the perception and should not deny the experience derived by perception. If he denies, he is not a scientist. All top most scientists were philosophers and spiritual people only. Those scientists have travelled along the river of Science and reached its end, which is the ocean of spiritual knowledge called as philosophy. Philosophy is pervading all the branches of Science. Every branch of Science gives Ph.D as the final degree. Ph.D means Doctor in Philosophy. If Science and Philosophy are different, why this word Philosophy is regarded so much by all the branches of Science? Philosophy means the essence of the knowledge of every branch that is experienced when one reaches the end of that branch.


Therefore, the spiritual knowledge, which is the ocean is the Philosophy in which all branches of Science and all the Religions merge and loose their identity. A scientist who has not reached the end of Science and who is still travelling in the river only denies the existence of the ocean, since he is still perceiving the limiting boundaries of his knowledge – river. Such river-travellers are called as atheists. They neither see the ocean nor see the other rivers. Even the follower of any particular Religion is in the state of this atheist only. He is no better than these atheists because he believes that God is a particular form only, which is a small part of this creation. Some other followers believe God as formless, who is the all-pervading cosmic energy. Since cosmic energy is also a part of the creation, their form of God is very big. These atheist-scientist believe that this creation is God. Thus all these are atheists only. All these atheists, who may be scientific atheists or religious atheists, will realize the true nature of God only when they reach the end of the Science or Religion.


A scientific atheist is contradicting his own authority, which is the perception. When the human incarnation performs the inexplicable miracles, how can they deny the perception of such miracles? You may do that miracle in an alternative way, but that does not contradict the different path of the original miracle. One may get first class by copying. Such false first class cannot contradict the genuine first class. The result is same, but the process is different. You may produce ash by putting a fine powder of wet salt in the grews of your hand like a magician. The same ash may be produced by a divine miracle also. Since the result is same, can you argue that the process also should be same? Since the first class result is same in the case of the original student and a fraud student, do you mean that the hard work of the original student is fraud?


Do you mean that the original and fraud students are one and the same? Therefore, the same result can have two different processes. Since the result is same, processes need not be same. Do you mean that a result has only one process? Is it not contradicting the very fundamentals of Science? A Chemical compound can be produced in several ways (Hess Law). Since the compound is same, do you mean that the alternative reactions are also one and the same? Same Chennai city can be reached by several ways. Since the end City is same, do you mean that all the paths are not different? Do you mean that all the paths are merged as one path only and thus there is only one path to reach the Chennai city? Therefore, conservative scientists and conservative religious followers can be categorized as immature analysts. The immaturity indicates their position in the river and maturity indicates their position in the end of the river, which is the ocean. Einstein, Newton, Heisenberg etc., are the top most scientists who have travelled and travelled along the Science River and reached the final spiritual ocean.

 

[2404]

Christianity is not a religion it is a life and that life cannot be had by science or any degree of our intellect.
The intellect you are referring to was successfully used in the garden.
Scripture says not to lean on our understanding.

 

[dattaswami8]

Christianity is not a religion it is a life and that life cannot be had by science or any degree of our intellect.
The intellect you are referring to was successfully used in the garden.
Scripture says not to lean on our understanding.

First, you must analyze the topic carefully with the help of systematic and scientific logic without remembering the scripture. In the end, you must see whether your concluded concept can be applied to the scripture or not. If the conclusion applies, it is good. If the conclusion does not apply to the meaning of scripture, you have to find a different meaning of the scripture in to which the concluded concept by your sharp analysis applies. Never search for a different meaning of your concluded concept at any time.


You have to search for the different meaning of the scripture only in to which the analyzed conclusion can be inserted. If the analyzed conclusion is contradicted by the scripture in spite of your hectic efforts, you should conclude without any hesitation that the scripture is wrong.


This means that the scripture told by God is not wrong, but, some wrong person introduced this statement into the scripture. This possibility exists with every scripture. At any cost, you should not suppress your analytical faculty. If you doubt error in your analysis, you can discuss with other scholars and divine spiritual preachers. During the discussions also, your consciousness should be satisfied without any force or effect of respect towards others. You should not fear for anybody as far as the process of analysis is concerned. The divine preacher is the ultimate authority since you will be convinced by Him following all these conditions. When you propagate the spiritual knowledge, you must be very careful since it is the most dangerous work surpassing even the crime of demons. The damage given by demons affects either the physical body or the internal mind on receiving the pain, which is limited to this birth only. If you propagate a wrong concept, the analytical faculty is damaged and such damage is extending to several births. This is the reason why you should take up this work on the command of God.

 

[HenryL]

Science reveals God's design

 

[Helen]

“If you find that Christianity exhausts you, draining you of your energy, then you are practicing religion rather than enjoying a relationship with Jesus Christ. Your walk with the Lord will not make you weary; ( if it is with the LORD ) it will invigorate you, restore your strength, and energize your life” Matt. 11:28–29.

 

[dattaswami8]

Science reveals God's design[/QUOTE

“If you find that Christianity exhausts you, draining you of your energy, then you are practicing religion rather than enjoying a relationship with Jesus Christ. Your walk with the Lord will not make you weary; ( if it is with the LORD ) it will invigorate you, restore your strength, and energize your life” Matt. 11:28–29.

The Lord behaves as a real father towards the souls of Gana (Gana means a group of souls, who have become very close to the Lord by their unimaginable devotion) because these souls have real devotion to the Lord as their real father. The other ordinary souls treat the Lord as adopted father. The adopted children love the father only for getting his property. Even if they serve him, the service is done with the ultimate aim of getting his property. The real children serve the father even though the father is poor without a single paisa (a penny). Their devotion is real.

The ordinary souls love and serve the Lord only for getting some benefit from the Lord in return. Some like protection in this world by solving their problems here. Some others like to have protection after the death. All these are one and the same, since they aspire some fruit in return. Real love is always pure without aspiration for any fruit.

The devotee serving the Lord practically by recognizing Him in human form here alone becomes the member of the Gana. Those souls worshipping Lord theoretically without practical sacrifice and service or those serving practically the idols and photos cannot enter Gana. The service rendered to idols is either received by themselves or the priests but not the Lord. Of course, the Lord is pleased if you can identify a real deserving devotee and serve him.

True knowledge is compared to fire (Jnaanaagnih….Gita) because no false hood can survive in it without becoming ash. Certainly the true knowledge is harsh and looks like impossible to practice. The impossibility may be now but not in the future. The souls of Gana have practiced the true spiritual knowledge and hence it is not impractical. The time taken to reach the stage of practice may be days or months or years or births. At least appreciate the truth, which is the first step in the practice. If you avoid the appreciation and criticize it so that you can escape its practice, you are gone forever.

 

[Pharmboy]

When science contradicts the Bible, it is probably the Bible thats wrong.

For example, there is no giant dome over the earth that holds back the "upper waters". This same dome is described as being like a curtain that God will open when He comes down because His throne is located above that dome in a place called heaven (or the third heaven). The sun and moon are not located under such a dome either. Neither does the dome regulate the wind, rain, snow and hail. If you want to view it as metaphorical or "spiritual", thats fine... but it was not interpreted as metaphorical by the ancients. They considered it real and it is described (along with the ocean it holds back) numerous times (in the Bible) when prophets are taken "up" to heaven, where the throne of God is.