Scriptures that Refute Calvinism

[Big Boy Johnson]

I agree with you that it is very difficult to discuss things with somebody who refuses to acknowledge what calvinism teaches

Yes, that would be YOU not believing all that calvinism teaches

You claim to be a calvinist but do not agree with calvinism

my quote from Calvin himself, which included: "It is God who created, preserves, actuates and directs all things. But it by no means follows, from these premises, that God is therefore the cause of sin."

That is calvin's subterfuge and chicanery as his other quotes specifically says he believes God leads man to do whatever it is that man does.

Here's 5 Quotes from Calvin and their sources that you have chosen to ignore:

(Posting these for others to see since you cannot be helped)
Hence we maintain that, by his providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.”

Source - John Calvin, Inst. I.xvi.8. 1539 edition. Quoted in A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“Men do nothing save at the secret instigation of God, and do not discuss and deliberate on anything but what he has previously decreed with himself, and brings to pass by his secret direction.”

Source - John Calvin, Inst. I.xviii.l. 1559 edition. See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“The hand of God rules the interior affections no less than it superintends external actions; nor would God have effected by the hand of man what he decreed, unless he worked in their hearts to make them will before they acted.”

Source - John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God (tr. J. K. S. Reid) (London, 1961)175f. (OC 8.358) See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“The will of God is the chief and principal cause of all things.”

Source - John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God 177 (OC 8.360) (‘summam et praecipuam rerum omnium causam’). Cf. Inst. I.xviii.2 (1559). See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“If God controls the purposes of men, and turns their thoughts and exertions to whatever purpose he pleases, men do not therefore cease to form plans and to engage in this or the other undertaking. We must not suppose that there is a violent compulsion, as if God dragged them against their will; but in a wonderful and inconceivable manner he regulates all the movements of men, so that they still have the exercise of their will.“

Source - John Calvin, Commentary on Is. 10:15. See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

I wonder how you would feel if I started telling you what you believed?

To be honest, anything a calvinist says I just ignore since they aren't following the Lord and don't know what they are talking about due to their following calvin instead of the Lord.

I've talked to a lot of canvinists over the years in discussions about their beliefs and they do in fact engage in deception trying to present their beliefs as more biblical than they actually are which is how a cult operates which is what calvinism is, a cult.

If I were alive in John Calvin's day just like a mafia boss he would put a hit out on me for saying this

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, that would be YOU not believing all that calvinism teaches

You claim to be a calvinist but do not agree with calvinism

Correction: I do not believe what you (Big Boy Johnson) say that Calvinism teaches. As I and other Calvinists have tried to tell you on many occasions, Calvinism does not teach all the things you say it does.

is calvin's subterfuge and chicanery as his other quotes specifically says he believes God leads man to do whatever it is that man does.

Here's 5 Quotes from Calvin and their sources that you have chosen to ignore:

(Posting these for others to see since you cannot be helped)
Hence we maintain that, by his providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.”

Source - John Calvin, Inst. I.xvi.8. 1539 edition. Quoted in A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“Men do nothing save at the secret instigation of God, and do not discuss and deliberate on anything but what he has previously decreed with himself, and brings to pass by his secret direction.”

Source - John Calvin, Inst. I.xviii.l. 1559 edition. See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“The hand of God rules the interior affections no less than it superintends external actions; nor would God have effected by the hand of man what he decreed, unless he worked in their hearts to make them will before they acted.”

Source - John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God (tr. J. K. S. Reid) (London, 1961)175f. (OC 8.358) See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“The will of God is the chief and principal cause of all things.”

Source - John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God 177 (OC 8.360) (‘summam et praecipuam rerum omnium causam’). Cf. Inst. I.xviii.2 (1559). See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

“If God controls the purposes of men, and turns their thoughts and exertions to whatever purpose he pleases, men do not therefore cease to form plans and to engage in this or the other undertaking. We must not suppose that there is a violent compulsion, as if God dragged them against their will; but in a wonderful and inconceivable manner he regulates all the movements of men, so that they still have the exercise of their will.“

Source - John Calvin, Commentary on Is. 10:15. See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73

But those quotes don't say that God is the Author of sin. I have already quoted Calvin saying specifically that God did not author sin.

To be honest, anything a calvinist says I just ignore since they aren't following the Lord and don't know what they are talking about due to their following calvin instead of the Lord.

I've talked to a lot of canvinists over the years in discussions about their beliefs and they do in fact engage in deception trying to present their beliefs as more biblical than they actually are which is how a cult operates which is what calvinism is, a cult.

If I were alive in John Calvin's day just like a mafia boss he would put a hit out on me for saying this

I don't agree with all of your posts (some I do agree with - and have clicked the appropriate button to say so), but I don't ignore you.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I do not believe what you (Big Boy Johnson) say that Calvinism teaches

I'm not the one saying what calvinism teaches.

John calvin is and those who are calvinist scholars are clearing saying calvinism teaches God causes man to do everything he does as this is what calvinism calls God's sovereignty

But those quotes don't say that God is the Author of sin

They say God causes man to do the things man does.

That means calvinism teaches when man sins, God caused him to sin.

You have a problem with calvinism and yet you will still cling to calvinism even when faced with the FACT that calvinism is satanic doctrine. So sad and too bad, but you have been notified and are now accountable for this knowledge

I have already quoted Calvin saying specifically that God did not author sin.

More calvinist subterfuge and chicanery
John Calvin says God causes man to do the things man does.

That means John Calvin teaches when man sins, God caused him to sin.

I don't ignore you

You might want to start since you choose to continue following calvinism which is satanic doctrine

Calvinists have had their understanding darkened and cannot accept what the Lord says. Very sad.

 

[Behold]

Calvinists believe that everybody who truly believes on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation is saved.

As long as they are predestined because they are the predestined elect , then they may become a Christian because they are prechosen before they were born.........vs, others who were not.

Is this what you believe?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

As long as they are predestined because they are the predestined elect , then they may become a Christian because they are prechosen before they were born.........vs, others who were not.

Is this what you believe?

Yeah let's talk about that predestination heresy the calvinists believe where only calvinists are saved

 

[Behold]

Yeah let's talk about that predestination heresy the calvinists believe where only calvinists are saved

Its a lie being taught that teaches that God chose you for heaven or hell, before you are born.

Calvinists believe this lie., and the Hyper Calvinists like to shout it out loud.

When they get that up and running, i ask them.........."well, who in your family did God choose for Hell, by not chosing them to be the predestined elect".

"Crickets".

And i dont blame them for running from my question......because if they faced it then they would see the blinding cracks in their Heresy that controls their mind and has them trying to lead Christians into demonic Calvinism.

He is their IDOL, and they want Him to be yours......Reader.

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

Calvinists lead people to Calvin.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

Calvinists lead people to Calvin.

That's a good way to put it.

Jesus decides who gets in to His Kingdom and calvinist don't decide squat

So the smart ones follow Jesus instead of calvin.

 

[David Lamb]

As long as they are predestined because they are the predestined elect , then they may become a Christian because they are prechosen before they were born.........vs, others who were not.

Is this what you believe?

If they weren't predestined by God to do so, they would remain dead in trespasses and sins, and would not believe.

 

[Behold]

If they weren't predestined by God to do so, they would remain dead in trespasses and sins, and would not believe.

That is Hyper Calvinism, you are showing us, as your belief system.
And in fact, God does not decide on Who He will cause to Trust in Christ.
He allows YOU to choose, and that way, if you died as an unbeliever, you can't then blame God... "well you are sending me to Hell because you would not let me become a Christian".

See how that works?
See How IGNORANT Calvinism is, when you actually think about it, vs just being "stuck on repeat"?

 

[David Lamb]

That is Hyper Calvinism, you are showing us, as your belief system.
And in fact, God does not decide on Who He will cause to Trust in Christ.
He allows YOU to choose, and that way, if you died as an unbeliever, you can't then blame God... "well you are sending me to Hell because you would not let me become a Christian".

See how that works?
See How IGNORANT Calvinism is, when you actually think about it, vs just being "stuck on repeat"?

That is what Paul writes about in Ephesians 2 when he talks of being saved by grace, being made alive by God when we were dead in trespasses and sins. Nothing there about the Ephesian Christians choosing in their dead state to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

 

[Behold]

That is what Paul writes about in Ephesians 2 when he talks of being saved by grace, being made alive by God when we were dead in trespasses

Thats not correct.

Paul is teaching that "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us", and because we give God OUR Faith......then our "faith is accepted by God, (On our behalf) (That God Requires).... (because its our free will to believe or not)... as (Christ's) Righteousness".

Here is something else the mind blinded Calvinist (Hyper) does not realize, and can't.

When we understand that "all have sinned, and there is none GOOD, no not one".......then because all are equal as "sinners", then God has no Justification to Pick your mother to be saved, and refuse to choose you, Reader.

See, """ALL have SINNED""".......we are ALL EQUAL..."""NONE ARE GOOD""..... = so, God has no Justification, no righteous balance... that can justify Him choosing to save your MOTHER, but He wont let you be saved. .when You are no worse and she is no better.

Understand?>?????????

The mind blinded Calvinist, CANT understand this.....because they are "bewitched" by a """" DOCTRINE OF DEVILS.""" Heb 13:9

We are ALL equal before God as SINNERS......and "Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS" not the "predestined".

 

[David Lamb]

Thats not correct.

Paul is teaching that "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us", and because we give God OUR Faith......then our "faith is accepted by God, (On our behalf) (That God Requires).... (because its our free will to believe or not)... as (Christ's) Righteousness".

Here is something else the mind blinded Calvinist (Hyper) does not realize, and can't.

When we understand that "all have sinned, and there is none GOOD, no not one".......then because all are equal as "sinners", then God has no Justification to Pick your mother to be saved, and refuse to choose you, Reader.

See, ALL have SINNED.......we are ALL EQUAL.... NONE ARE GOOD........so, God has no Justification, no righteous balance... that can justify Him choosing to save your MOTHER, but He wont let you be saved. .when You are no worse and she is no better.

Understand?>?????????

The mind blinded Calvinist, CANT understand this.....because they are "bewitched" by DOCTRINE OF DEVILS.........

We are ALL equal before God as SINNERS......and "Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNES" not the "predestined".

But Paul wrote:

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)

 

[Behold]

But Paul wrote:

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Salvation is the Gift..........not the Faith.

Its "the GIFT of Salvation"......not the gift of faith.

The only Gift of Faith, is one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts and unbelievers dont get any of those...

Listen,
Everyone has faith.....and some believe in Muhammed, and some Believe in Jesus.

That is YOUR CHOICE , not God's.

God's Grace is .....Jesus on The Cross..........and this Grace is accessed by our Free will.......to choose to Believe or not.

 

[David Lamb]

Salvation is the Gift..........not the Faith.

Its "the GIFT of Salvation"......not the gift of faith.

The only Gift of Faith, is one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts and unbelievers dont get any of those...

Listen,
Everyone has faith.....and some believe in Muhammed, and some Believe in Jesus.

That is YOUR CHOICE , not God's.

God's Grace is .....Jesus on The Cross..........and this Grace is accessed by our Free will.......to choose to Believe or not.

How can someone dead in trespasses and sins produce their own faith? Make a choice to believe? Besides, God's word tells Christians that they were chosen by Him:

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,” (Eph 1:3-5 NKJV)

 

[Behold]

How can someone dead in trespasses and sins produce their own faith?

Romans 10 sayd that God "gives the measure of faith to everyone". KJV

Listen, you are born with the innate capacity to BELIEVE things......
You didnt just start believing when you became a Christian,
You believed all your life, and finally you put that FAITH, in Christ.

See, = everyone believes....

Some BELIEVE in Islam
Some Beleive that God does not Exist
Some Believe in Scientology.
Some Believe that Calvinism needs to be allowed on a "christian forum" so that it can destroy a Christians faith.
Some Believe that Muhammed is a real profit.
Some believe that Jesus died for their sins, and God accepts their Faith to save them, because they gave Him what He requried of them.

, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,

Your verse....is the continually Hyper Calvinism twisted verse.........maybe the worst.

So, here is the correct teaching.

The born again are "conformed into the image of Christ"......= after they are born again., this is why it says you are "IN HIM"... and from there, God does more... but you have to be born again "In Him" first.
So, the predestining, is........once you are "IN HIM".... (born again in Christ) then you are {Predestined to be conformed into the image of Jesus The Christ'.
Its the same idea as......"once you are In Christ" you are now predestined to get a NEW BODY.......but you have to be IN HIM< before you can be predestined to receive it.

Demonic Hyper Calvinism, twists that into....you are predestined to believe, because you have no faith, because you are totally depraved. And that is a LIE.
So, that is a Cross Rejecting Lie, that is completely invented by Hyper Calvinists.... that denies that every person is going to give account to God regarding .. "what did you do with my SON" while you were on the earth.?? that is based on their FREE WILL.
So....Did you place YOUR FAITH in Christ, or NOT,... as "the will of God is that everyone believes in Jesus"., and if you couldn't then God would not "will it" for EVERYONE to Do.

 

[David Lamb]

Romans 10 sayd that God "gives the measure of faith to everyone". KJV

Which verse says that in Romans 10? Verse 17 says:

“So then faith [comes] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Ro 10:17 NKJV)

Listen, you are born with the innate capacity to BELIEVE things......
You didnt just start believing when you became a Christian,
You believed all your life, and finally you put that FAITH, in Christ.

See, = everyone believes....

Some BELIEVE in Islam
Some Beleive that God does not Exist
Some Believe in Scientology.
Some Believe that Calvinism needs to be allowed on a "christian forum" so that it can destroy a Christians faith.
Some Believe that Muhammed is a real profit.
Some believe that Jesus died for their sins, and God accepts their Faith to save them, because they gave Him what He requried of them.

Well, I imagined that as this is called "Christianity Board" we would be talking about Christian belief, not false religions, or believing that King Charles III is king of Britain.

Your verse....is the continually Hyper Calvinism twisted verse.........maybe the worst.

"My verse" is part of God's word. It was part of God's word hundreds of years before John Calvin was born. I didn't twist the verse, just quoted it.

So, here is the correct teaching.

The born again are "conformed into the image of Christ"......= after they are born again., this is why it says you are "IN HIM"... and from there, God does more... but you have to be born again "In Him" first.
So, the predestining, is........once you are "IN HIM".... (born again in Christ) then you are {Predestined to be conformed into the image of Jesus The Christ'.
Its the same idea as......"once you are In Christ" you are now predestined to get a NEW BODY.......but you have to be IN HIM< before you can be predestined to receive it.

How can that be so, when the bible says we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world? Not "chosen when you are born again," or "chosen once you are conformed to the image of Christ."

Demonic Hyper Calvinism, twists that into....you are predestined to believe, because you have no faith, because you are totally depraved. And that is a LIE.
So, that is a Cross Rejecting Lie, that is completely invented by Hyper Calvinists.... that denies that every person is going to give account to God regarding .. "what did you do with my SON" while you were on the earth.?? that is based on their FREE WILL.
So....Did you place YOUR FAITH in Christ, or NOT,... as "the will of God is that everyone believes in Jesus"., and if you couldn't then God would not "will it" for EVERYONE to Do.

Calvinism (not hyper) fully agrees that we need to believe. And yes, I did place my God-given faith in Christ, and I still do.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If they weren't predestined by God

It's too bad calvinists believe God decides some people are created for no other reason than to burn in hell.

That's another false satanic doctrine coming out of calvinism.

That is Hyper Calvinism

Calvinism, whether hyper or regular is false doctrine that came out of scripture twisting lies of the old devil himself.

being "stuck on repeat"

That's how those infected with calvinism are, stuck on repeat.

Tell others of calvin's false doctrine and repeat

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)

Nothing there says some people are created for no other reason than to burn in hell.

Calvinists, with the help of the devil, reading in to scripture something the Lord never said

How can someone dead in trespasses and sins produce their own faith?

Thru deciding to follow the Lord:

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.

Salvation is the Gift..........not the Faith.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

"It" is referring to faith being the gift of God

Most modern interpreters believe the 'gift of God' is 'salvation by grace through faith'. Ancient exegetes said that it was the faith itself.

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

There is NO grace without faith

“So then faith [comes] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Ro 10:17 NKJV)

When someone hears the true Word of God, faith is in the Word

"My verse" is part of God's word. It was part of God's word hundreds of years before John Calvin was born. I didn't twist the verse, just quoted it.

Calvin twisted it and calvinists repeat it

How can that be so, when the bible says we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world? Not "chosen when you are born again," or "chosen once you are conformed to the image of Christ."

God chose ALL people He ever created to be saved.
Limited atonement is false doctrine!

He had foreknowledge and knew in advance that each person ever born would be born:

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 Timothy 4:9-11
The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. For to this end we toil and strive,
because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of
those who believe

So ALL have been called. Sadly many are blinded by the devil which is why not all are saved.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Which verse says that

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

 

[Behold]

It's too bad calvinists believe God decides some people are created for no other reason than to burn in hell.

The " false god" of the HyperCalvinists.......has no similarlty to the Amazing God who "gave Jesus to the World of SINNERS".

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"......not the "predestined elect".

Calvinism, whether hyper or regular is false doctrine that came out of scripture twisting lies of the old devil himself.

Calvinism, that evolved into the 'hyper"......is based on one single false definition.

its this....

Calvinism, redefined "God's Fore-Knowledge", =(that is ...God knows everything that is going to happen NEXT.. before it happens.)...as "God predestined it ALL to happen".

See that incredible FALSE redefining of "God knowing" as '"God Causing"......?????

That is the root demonic LIE that Calvinists (TULIP) use to "pre-destine" what isnt predestined.
This is why a mind blinded Calvinist, sees "Predesined" in NT verses when its not in the verse..., as that is what this mental infection, this spiritual blinding theology, does to your mind.
Paul says that this is to have become "BEWITCHED" by a MAN......by a PERSON's Theology.
Heb 13:9 defines this as a "doctrine of Devils", and this has spiritual power to DECEIVE you.

There is NO grace without faith

Absolutey.

Paul teaches that its... "GRACE... through Faith".....not Faith ""being Predestined""., as the lying Hyper Calvinists try to falsely sell it.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The " false god" of the HyperCalvinists.......has no similarlty to the Amazing God who "gave Jesus to the World of SINNERS".

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"......not the "predestined elect".

Calvinism, whether hyper or regular is false doctrine that came out of scripture twisting lies of the old devil himself.

Calvinism, that evolved into the 'hyper"......is based on one single false definition.

There are some people that claim to be calvinists who don't agree or accept all 5 points of calvinism.

They are still heretics because all 5 points of calvinism are heresy

So I don't differentiate between calvinism and hyper calvinism since it's all false doctrine