Arnie Manitoba said:
Anyone who cuts out parts of the bible cannot be taken seriously as a teacher or a scholar.
Hi Arnie.
I don't wish to argue and I apologize if my previous post containing NT quotes saying certain things were fulfilled. was not convincing. I surely apologize if it was offensive in any way - I do not want to insult or harm you.
Arnie Manitoba said:
To disregard a future millennium you will have to cut out a lot of the future events for Israel in bible .....
Could you list what events you believe are in the future for Israel. Do you mean the State of Israel in Palestine?
Paul said Christians are the Israel of God.
Galatians 6
Not Circumcision but the New Creation
11See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!
12Those who want to impress people by means of the flesh are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.
14May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through whicha the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.
17From now on, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.
18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen.
The Israel of God are all the jews and gentiles who are God's people; walking by this rule - boasting in nothing except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, and are new creations.
The Israel of God are the people of God, and we know them corporately as the Church.
If you have prophecies concerning ancient Israel you believe are not fulfilled in the past, or are not fulfilled in Christ, or are not eternal promises looked forward to by the Israel of God, what are they?
Arnie Manitoba said:
If Jesus if reigning on earth right now He is sure doing a lousy job of it .... not to mention He is absent.
Matthew 28
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority
in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was
taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Acts 2
29“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch
David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
Psalm 110
2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "
Rule in the midst of Your enemies." 3Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew. 4The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."
Psalm 2
The Reign of the LORD’s Anointed
1 Why do the nations ragea
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us burst their bonds apart
and cast away their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens laughs;
the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”
Acts 4:26
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers were gathered together, against the Lord and against his Anointed’
Hebrews 12
18For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” 22
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23
and to the assemblya of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24
and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Arnie Manitoba said:
We (Christians) are not reigning on earth with Jesus right now as per the millennium teaching.
Revelation 20
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Nowhere in Revelation 20 is Jesus said to be on earth.
Thrones in Revelation are always in heaven.
a thousand years is a figure of speech.
Revelation 12:10-11
"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."
John 12:31
"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."
But, I will leave this discussion for today since it was inappropriate for me to begin a theological discussion after you merely posted an audio teaching on a thread I ( :unsure: ) established just for that.
I'm sorry Arnie Manitoba.
Please forgive.
Poppin