Seventh Day Adventist Beliefs

[1stCenturyLady]

1 Thess. 4 shows that 'we that are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet them in the air'.

Yes, that is at the second coming. The alive didn't go in some secret rapture 7 years prior.

 

[CoreIssue]

Despite your splitting hairs over the definition of the word, Jude is still referencing angels in the NT when he mentions the Lord coming with His Saints. They aren't dead people. Dead people are dead. The resurrection doesn't take place until AFTER they get here. It is the angels, those tens of thousands with the Lord, who gather the elect from the four corners of the earth and bring them to Christ. Maybe the KJV does have it wrong in the OT. but in that instance in Jude when it calls angels Saints, whatever they are, they aint people.

No hairsplitting, word meaning.

You have a problem. How can the bride descend With Christ At that the second coming if they haven't been resurrected and if the wedding supper of the Lamb has not already taken place?

Reference the KJV all you want, that does not make it the correct translation.

 

[brakelite]

Seems to refer to 'the dead in Christ' who 'shall rise first'.

Indeed. They shall rise from their graves, the dead in Christ, at the same time as those who are alive shall be caught up... Changed in an instant from mortal to immortality... Is that all not one single event taking place to two categories of people? Those who are alive at the second coming and those who had previously died? Where is there a suggestion that there is another resurrection other than this one single event where all who are in Christ, both alive and dead, are brought together in one great harvest?

 

[brakelite]

How can the bride descend With Christ At that the second coming if they haven't been resurrected and if the wedding supper of the Lamb has not already taken place?

Exactly. They can't. And they don't. The marriage supper is for all the redeemed of all ages not for just a select few.

 

[CoreIssue]

Exactly. They can't. And they don't. The marriage supper is for all the redeemed of all ages but for just a select few.

Ellen G White speaks again.

 

[brakelite]

Ellen G White speaks again.

I have edited my post.... Want to respond again and actually explain your position?

 

[brakelite]

No hairsplitting, word meaning.

You have a problem. How can the bride descend With Christ At that the second coming if they haven't been resurrected and if the wedding supper of the Lamb has not already taken place?

Reference the KJV all you want, that does not make it the correct translation.

The only time the bride can descend with her Husband is of course after the marriage supper. At the end of the millennium.

 

[quietthinker]

Ellen G White speaks again.

have you ever read her?

 

[Ezra]

.IF you find a perfect church, and you join it, and it will no longer be a perfect church.

amen its time church folks realize this to no perfect denominational no perfect church members . every one has to come by the way of the cross. the name tag will either fall off going up or burn off going down

Which is when Seventh day Adventism as an organisation like all denominations disappoints and fails, and believers are forced to find hope and surety in Jesus Christ the LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ONLY.

amen

 

[CoreIssue]

Exactly. They can't. And they don't. The marriage supper is for all the redeemed of all ages not for just a select few.

We actually don't know that. The bride is the church and the guests are Israel. We do not know the status of the redeemed who were not church or Israel.

I don't see anything in the Bible about the OT saints descending with Christ that the second coming. Only the church.

Since Israel is the wife of God the father I believe they remain in heaven with him.

 

[brakelite]

Which is when Seventh day Adventism as an organisation like all denominations disappoints and fails, and believers are forced to find hope and surety in Jesus Christ the LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ONLY.

No organisation is perfect because they are human. Did not mean however that God cannot, and does not use them for His glory... And some more than others. Again, for any denomination or Christian individual, judge them by their fruits.

 

[brakelite]

We actually don't know that. The bride is the church and the guests are Israel. We do not know the status of the redeemed who were not church or Israel.

I don't see anything in the Bible about the OT saints descending with Christ that the second coming. Only the church.

I don't see anything in scripture about the church descending at the second coming. Saints in the context of Jude are angels.

 

[CoreIssue]

I don't see anything in scripture about the church descending at the second coming. Saints in the context of Jude are angels.

Saints are not angels and Angels are not Saints.

 

[brakelite]

Saints are not angels and Angels are not Saints.

Yeah, so you did before, but holy ones as per Jude can very well be angels and the context doesn't exclude that understanding.

 

[brakelite]

have you ever read her?

I very much doubt that, even though he claims to have "studied" .

 

[CoreIssue]

Yeah, so you did before, but holy ones as per Jude can very well be angels and the context doesn't exclude that understanding.

You know you guys have to spend too much time trying to do in the KJV. You cannot.

 

[CoreIssue]

I don't see anything in scripture about the church descending at the second coming. Saints in the context of Jude are angels.

Colossians 3 New International Version (NIV)
Living as Those Made Alive in Christ
3 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

He will appear on the earth with the church.

He is not invisible to those in heaven. So that only leaves the earth.

Clearly the second coming or not at all. At the end of the MK the Earth is destroyed, so there's nothing to appear on.

 

[CoreIssue]

The only time the bride can descend with her Husband is of course after the marriage supper. At the end of the millennium.

The Earth is destroyed at the end of the MK so there's nothing to descend to.

 

[CoreIssue]

have you ever read her?

You mean one of the founders of the SDA who was hailed as a Bible level prophetess?

Who came out of the Millerite movement that sold everything and sit on the hill waiting for the second coming?

 

[CoreIssue]

Marriage Supper of the Lamb
In correspondence with the Jewish bride remaining hidden in the bridal chamber for a period of seven days after arrival at the groom's father's house, the Church will remain hidden for a period of seven after arrival at Christ's Father's house in heaven. While the seven year Tribulation Period is taking place on the earth, the Church will be in heaven totally hidden from the sight of those living on the earth.

Just as the Jewish groom brought his bride out of the bridal chamber at the conclusion of the seven days with her veil removed, so that all could see who his bride was, so Christ will bring the Church out of heaven in His Second Coming at the conclusion of the seven year Tribulation Period in full view of all who are alive, so that all can see who the true Church is (Col. 3:4).