Sin is in the spirit, not the flesh: It's Attitude with the flesh

[robert derrick]

The nature of sin is spiritual, because it is the corrupting of our spirit that produces lust in our hearts to rebel against God.

All created beings by God are created for one purpose, to love and please Him and be with Him at all times:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Lucifer however was the first created spiritual being by God, to corrupt his own spirit and defile his own heart with rebellion against our purpose of being created:

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.

And every man since Adam, except Jesus, has recieved the same temptation, to corrupt our own spirit and mind with the same rebellion: we would be as gods in our own right, who do not necessarily have to please God at all times.

For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

And so, sin is a corrupting of our spirit, which God first create for His good pleasure. That corruption that is in our spirit through lust, is choosing not to love and fellowship and walk with God at all times, but deciding we also have liberty to spend some time sinning on our own.

Sin is therefore first an attitude thing: The sinful spiritual attitude is to not want to please God always. Some times yes and sometimes no, but not always.

As the saying of the unredeemed goes, "Who wants to do good all the time??"

And as the saying of the unredeemed teaching goes, "No one can do good all the time."

 

[robert derrick]

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Born again Christians have the divine change in them of a regenerated spirit, and so now have a mind once again to please God at all times. We once again have the right attitude we were created with by Christ in the first place:

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Unsaved sinners today have the evil attitude of the devil, that they were not created with. And though they may wish to do good in sight of God at times, they do not at all think to do so at all times.

And so the teaching that we cannot do righteousness with Jesus at all times, is that of the unredeemed seeking to justify their corrupted attitude of not wanting to.

The attitude of the redeemed in Christ Jesus is simple as the simplicity of Jesus Christ: desiring, willing, and purposing to do good always, and acknowledging we can with divine power of God:

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Even if we find ourselves not doing so, as in Romans 7, our spirit and will is to do so always, which is being accomplished in Romans 8.

Those who say it is not possible, are simply them choosing Romans 7 for life, but not as redeemed Christians that desire to move on to Romans 8.

The difference is simply one of attitude: We either desire to always and know we can with Jesus, or we don't desire to do so always, and say we can't, even with Jesus.

 

[robert derrick]

The main difference therefore between a saved, yet possibly double hearted Christian, and the unsaved Christian is not so much sinning in the flesh, but rather begins with the attitude of the spirit, whether we be regenerated to mind the things of Christ at all times, or still unregenerate and still thinking to please Him part of the time, maybe even most of the time, but certainly not all of the time.

The teaching therefore, that it is impossible to please and fellowship and love to be with Him all the time, is therefore the corrupt teaching of the unregenerated spirit, that uses this lie against all Scripture, to justify themselves, rather than become true sons of God.

Even as the faithful angels, the born sons of God on earth know of a truth, that we not only must fulfill our purpose of creation in this life, by loving, pleasing, and fellowshipping with God at all times, but that it is certainly doable in the love of the Spirit and divine power of Jesus Christ dwelling richly within us.

Those who claim it is impossible to do so on earth, simply have the lost attitude of the unsaved soul and unregenerated spirit, which is only given and obtained by them that know they can through Jesus Christ.

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

Not wanting to do right with Jesus at all times, is the original sin corrupting the first spirit in heaven, and declaring it impossible to do so as a man, is his corrupt teaching he decieved himself with in the first place.

The regenerated redeemed souls in Christ Jesus confess we must, we desire to, and we can please God always by grace through faith:

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

The redeemed say we can do, and the unredeemed say we can't do.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The nature of sin is spiritual, because it is the corrupting of our spirit that produces lust in our hearts to rebel against God.

All created beings by God are created for one purpose, to love and please Him and be with Him at all times:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Lucifer however was the first created spiritual being by God, to corrupt his own spirit and defile his own heart with rebellion against our purpose of being created:

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.

And every man since Adam, except Jesus, has recieved the same temptation, to corrupt our own spirit and mind with the same rebellion: we would be as gods in our own right, who do not necessarily have to please God at all times.

For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

And so, sin is a corrupting of our spirit, which God first create for His good pleasure. That corruption that is in our spirit through lust, is choosing not to love and fellowship and walk with God at all times, but deciding we also have liberty to spend some time sinning on our own.

Sin is therefore first an attitude thing: The sinful spiritual attitude is to not want to please God always. Some times yes and sometimes no, but not always.

As the saying of the unredeemed goes, "Who wants to do good all the time??"

And as the saying of the unredeemed teaching goes, "No one can do good all the time."

Assuming you mean heart condition by the term spirit Rob, I fully agree. Our natural inclination is to sin sir, and we do a pretty good job of it. Without Jesus' being offered, none of us would be saved.

 

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Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 7:17-20 KJV
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Romans 6:5-7 KJV
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Flesh is, well, your flesh. The body.

Romans 7:24-25 KJV
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

How can a person sin by their spiritually dead spirit? It's not made alive until coming to God. It's the flesh, in which interacts with the soul (mind/will/emotion) with-in human beings.

If in my mind/will/emotion I choose to lie - I go through with it by using those in which I go and lie.

If in my soul, I decide to hate my neighbor. I can use my mind to hate them and never speak on word to them - by thoughts of acts or even sayings with-in my mind/heart.

Everyone has that individualist voice they hear in their head. Not reading aloud, you can read them in silence yet speak them with-in your mind.

The will and emotional part is if I choose to keep acting upon my thoughts.

Be my will to hate - my emotions go towards anger, rage.

 

[robert derrick]

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

The first argument can't be corrected, which is why it is not addressed.

Now for men's tradition of reading into Scripture a sin nature of the flesh:

Scripture speaks of being 'in the flesh' in two ways: naturally mortal, and spiritually moral.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.

As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.

Being 'in the flesh' sinfully, is when souls of men are being into the flesh, and given to the flesh, by lusting for the things of this life to corrupt them.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

The body of death is not mortal flesh, but is the life of sinning with mortal flesh, whereby the sinning soul is spiritually dead to Christ.

If this body of death were the flesh, then taking up the cross, and crucifying it would be mortal suicide.

The self-flagellators are mocked by 'spiritual' Christians, and yet some pseudo-spiritual Christians teach, that the mortal flesh not only ought be flagellated, but crucified unto death.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Natural flesh is not the problem, but spiritual souls in the flesh can be the problem, when they mind the things of the flesh, rather than the things of the Spirit.

The body of this death is the deeds of a life given to the flesh, rather than to God.

 

[robert derrick]

How can a person sin by their spiritually dead spirit? It's not made alive until coming to God. It's the flesh, in which interacts with the soul (mind/will/emotion) with-in human beings.

A soul is made dead by sinning. Coming to God is to be born again as newborn babes at the beginning, when created by Christ.

If in my mind/will/emotion I choose to lie - I go through with it by using those in which I go and lie.

And so sinning begins in the spirit and the normal flesh and blood is used to express it.

If in my soul, I decide to hate my neighbor. I can use my mind to hate them and never speak on word to them - by thoughts of acts or even sayings with-in my mind/heart.

Which is why we are judged for sinning, not because of the body, but because of our spirit.

Souls are judged by God, not bodies.

Be my will to hate - my emotions go towards anger, rage.

As the spirit goes, so goes the flesh. The flesh does not cause the soul to sin, but the soul sins with the flesh.

Being born again and redeemed by Christ, is to become good and clean newborn souls again.

As babes from the womb, we did not personally know the spiritual death and shame and hatred of sinning, but as newborn babes in Christ, we do.

So, as Jesus Himself, we now do it differently with knowledge and faith, to go an sin no more.

 

[MatthewG]

Yeah the flesh does the sin I gotcha thank you for breaking it down for me, Derrick.