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Arnie Manitoba

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Taking the position of an intelligent researcher , Dr David Berlinski does an excellent job of questioning evolution theory as it has been presented to the world .

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5r5cRlctLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwHzUEWtKq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjnIwDkN0o
 

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John S said:
"Smart Jew" - Really?
Is that like "smart black man" or "smart woman" or "smart someone else"?
He is intelligent , and he is a Jew , and he states it himself in the video.

But that is not the reason I titled the thread in such a manner.

It was to point out that Dr. Berlinski said himself in the video ..... "it is typically the fundamentalist evangelical Christians who poo-poo evolution and defend creation "

He went on to say ..... "obviously I am not a christian ....I am a Jew and a scientist. .... yet I agree with them when it comes to questioning evolution".

Now this may sound harsh John S ..... but I can assure you I listen carefully to an intelligent Jew such as Mr Berlinski ..... and seldom give much heed to the christian pretending he can prove evolution.

I am thinking you didn't even listen to his lecture .... you simply played the race card to avoid the reality that you may be wrong about your "billions of years" doctrine.
 

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Believing the earth and the universe maybe very old is not believing evolution Arnie.
ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/
Noun
  1. The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the...
  2. The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.
 
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aspen

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Man Arnie, you are getting hammered by all sides. Anyone going to bother listening to the scientist?
 

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aspen2 said:
Man Arnie, you are getting hammered by all sides. Anyone going to bother listening to the scientist?
I am thinking the same thing. Stubborn bunch aren't they :) :)

Bring them an intelligent Jewish biologist .... and they throw blacks & women at me :)

Little do they know that I love blacks and women too .... so I survived the onslaught :)

About the only thing I have a hard time to love are people who claim their ancestors were monkeys ... that messes with my head something terrible. :) :)
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
About the only thing I have a hard time to love are people who claim their ancestors were monkeys ... that messes with my head something terrible. :) :)
LOL this is a forum Arnie you should have no problem posting the quotes that were ether said or implied anyone believes we came from monkeys or anything other than our Creator. Now on the other hand I would bet that If you asked the right questions aspen may just cop to that ideal LOL
 

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Rex said:
LOL this is a forum Arnie you should have no problem posting the quotes that were ether said or implied anyone believes we came from monkeys or anything other than our Creator. Now on the other hand I would bet that If you asked the right questions aspen may just cop to that ideal LOL
I must inform you that the whole theory of monkeys and men and billions of years all comes from the pages of the evolutionist.

As I said earlier we have stepped into the devils evolutionary sandbox and we get a bit of grit in our eyes when we play there.

if you are implying that it is OK to use parts of evolution and leave some out ..... I dare say the hard core evolutionist would disagree with you.

Keep that up and you will get hammered by them as well
 

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Interesting watch...

Berlinski is in Expelled: No intelligence allowed

I actually thought these were clips from that documentary. I am glad I took the time to watch and you took the time to post!
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
I must inform you that the whole theory of monkeys and men and billions of years all comes from the pages of the evolutionist.

As I said earlier we have stepped into the devils evolutionary sandbox and we get a bit of grit in our eyes when we play there.

if you are implying that it is OK to use parts of evolution and leave some out ..... I dare say the hard core evolutionist would disagree with you.

Keep that up and you will get hammered by them as well
After iving it some thought Arnie I've come to this conclusion, people that choose to ignore science and believe in a young earth and universe are simply expressing their faith in a Creator.

People that choose to look at science and not allow it effect their faith or change what is believed in the bible but rather look and marvel at what science has shown to be true concerning the scriptures are in no way denying faith but are increasing faith because of evidence that supports the bible through science.

The big bang is the first case example it is completely compatible with "let their be light"
and here's a few other examples I'll copy and paste from some saved PDF files I have.

The patriarch Job was extremely wealthy—enjoying a wonderful family. Then tragedy struck. He lost his wealth. His children were killed and his wife deserted him. Then Job lay in excruciating pain, covered with sores from head to toe. He cried out to God for reassurance, and God replied with a reminder of His almighty wisdom, justice, love, and power. God conveyed to Job His dynamic logic in three questions: “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? …Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?” Job 38:31-32

The Pleiades: “Canst thou bind the sweet influence of the Pleiades?” Modern science has revealed that the seven stars of the Pleiades are in reality a grouping of 250 blazing suns all traveling together in one common direction. Concerning this cluster, Isabel Lewis of the United States Naval Observatory tells us: “Astronomers have identified 250 stars as actual members of this group, all sharing in a common motion and drifting through space in the same direction... journeying onward together through the immensity of space.”
From Lick Observatory came this statement of Dr. Robert J. Trumpler: “Over 25,000 individual measures of the Pleiades stars are now available, and their study led to the important discovery that the whole cluster is moving in a southeasterly direction. The Pleiades stars may thus be compared to a swarm of birds, flying together to a distant goal. This leaves no doubt that the Pleiades
are not a temporary or accidental agglomeration of stars, but a system in which the stars are bound together by a close kinship.” Without any reference whatsoever to the Book of Job, Dr. Trumpler announced to the world exactly what God said: “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?” In other words, Job, can you keep them bound together so that they remain as a family of suns?

Orion: “Canst thou . . . loose the bands of Orion?” The noted astronomer Garrett P. Serviss wrote about the bands of Orion in his book CURIOSITIES OF THE SKY.
“At the present time this band consists of an almost perfect straight line, a row of second-magnitude stars about equally spaced and of the most striking beauty. In the course of time, however, the two right-hand stars, Mintaka and Alnilam, will approach each other and form a naked-eye double; but the third, Alnitak, will drift away eastward so that the band will no longer exist.” In other words, every star in Orion is traveling its own course, independent of all the others. Thus, these stars that we see forming one of the bands of Orion are like three ships out on the high seas that happen to be in line at the present moment, but are bound for different ports, and all are journeying to different corners of the universe, so that the bands are being dissolved.

Arcturus: “Canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?” Garrett P. Serviss wrote: “Arcturus, one of the greatest suns in the universe, is a runaway whose speed of light is 257 miles per second. Arcturus, we have every reason to believe, possesses thousands of times the mass of our sun. Think of it! Our sun is traveling only 12
miles a second, but Arcturus is traveling 257 miles a second.” Charles Burckhalter, of the Chabot Observatory, added an interesting note regarding this great sun: “This high velocity places Arcturus in that very small class of stars that apparently are a law unto themselves... Newton gives the velocity of a star under control as not more than 25 miles a second, and Arcturus is going 257 miles a second. Therefore, combined attraction of all the stars we know cannot stop him or even turn him in his path.”

So you see Arnie even with out some of the embellishments made the simple observer can deduce
1) the book of Job can be proven to be written long before science could have ever confirmed these statement by God to Job
2) It doesn't compromise my faith in fact it increases it.
3) it totally compatible with the word.

Now If you want to junp up and down and call people that look at science with the eye of God as as Darwinist monkey lovers, that's your choice I guess.
Their are other facts that have only been found in the bible that have been found to be true, as mans understanding increases
 

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you are in luck Arnie, there aren't any crediable scientists that believe we came from monkeys.
 

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aspen2 said:
you are in luck Arnie, there aren't any crediable scientists that believe we came from monkeys.
Actually that is true in modern day ...... and apparently if you can get a scientist off in private and off-record 70% will say they do not believe in evolution ..... but they tow the line because they would lose funding and professorships.
 

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There are actually creditable scientists that believe in a young earth theory. :)
 

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There are actually creditable scientists that believe in a young earth theory. :)
Exactly ..... but they not have the opportunity to present those theories in our universities alongside evolution theory.

It is because young earth creation is labeled as un-provable (scientifically) and has religious overtones . .... And that is fair.

However , evolution theory is just as un-provable (scientifically) and it is a belief system not much different than religion.

And it is those things Dr Berlinski points out ...... he asks for the (scientific) model that (scientifically) proves the evolutionary process.

And guess what .... it does not exist .... it never has .

That is the whole point.

So it all comes down to two choices which are purely based on belief and faith.

Which of course do not belong in the realm of observable and provable science in the first place..

And that is the whole point
 

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If I walked into a room and cataloged everyting that is in the room and test everyting for dates and possible origin using multiple testing methods and then present my findings, no one would complain.

Scientists are doing the same thing by observing nature, yet some Christians get upset because the scientist's observations are not supporting what they believe to be true. The observations are not matchin the blueprint and some Christians seem to want scientists to change their results to match their literal understanding - isn't this a bit dishonest?
 

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aspen2 said:
If I walked into a room and cataloged everyting that is in the room and test everyting for dates and possible origin using multiple testing methods and then present my findings, no one would complain.

Scientists are doing the same thing by observing nature, yet some Christians get upset because the scientist's observations are not supporting what they believe to be true. The observations are not matchin the blueprint and some Christians seem to want scientists to change their results to match their literal understanding - isn't this a bit dishonest?

If you did it aspen .... I would expect the results would be fairly accurate and you would give an honest report . I would trust your findings ..... and later , if you realized you had made a small error in your data .... I am certain you would point it out and correct it . That is the way science is "supposed" to work.

One of the problems we sometimes have in the scientific arena is dishonesty .... (lack of full disclosure) ..... I say that carefully and seriously.

The term (lack of full disclosure) means a researcher who avoids scientific information that contradicts his position

Here is an example ..... scientists take ice core samples from glaciers and lakes in Greenland , the arctic , and Antarctica .... then they count the layers of ice as years and date those core samples back 400,000 to 800,000 years.

The infallible-scientist-gods will hold that up as evidence of an old earth and nobody questions them.

A squadron of WW2 fighter planes landed on the Greenland icecap in 1942 (ran out of fuel) .... the pilots were rescued and the aircraft were abandoned until 50 years later when a group of historians decided to find them , and restore them , the glacier was a good place to preserve them and some of the planes are flying again today as restored "warbirds" at airshows

The aviator-historians approached the scientific community to get advice on how deep the aircraft would be after 50 years .... they were told .... "only a few feet from the surface" .... should not be hard to retrieve .

Long story short .... the workers found the planes almost 300 feet deep .... under thousands and thousands of layers of ice .... a scientist studying the core sample would have said that airplane has been there for 18,000 years .... not 50 years.

The reality is that ice layers can be formed daily as a bit of snow melts and then freezes again at night.

Yet the next day the scientists will still count the layers as though they were formed yearly

If that is not dishonesty .... then what is it ?

Those are the same people who assign millions of years to each geological rock layer

And when they encounter a 60 foot whale skeleton vertical in the rock layer they look the other way.

Why ???? .... because too many sacred scientific geological beliefs would collapse
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
I am thinking the same thing. Stubborn bunch aren't they :) :)

Bring them an intelligent Jewish biologist .... and they throw blacks & women at me :)

Little do they know that I love blacks and women too .... so I survived the onslaught :)

About the only thing I have a hard time to love are people who claim their ancestors were monkeys ... that messes with my head something terrible. :) :)
Arnie, please get your facts right!! According to evolution our ancestors are NOT apes or monkeys!! They are chimpanzees, baboons and more distantly gorillas :p .
Have you guys heard the hybrid theory? We came from a male pig mating with a female chimp! All the chimp only claims will soon be 'so last century'. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html
 

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Hi to everyone. Im new here but this topic caught my interest. Not long ago I read a book "In Six Days - why 50 scientists choose to believe in Creation". Many in it are not obscure scientists either, many are well known in their fields. It was a great read which I would highly recommend.