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Solving the mistery of the trinity.

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by denny123, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. dfj

    dfj New Member

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    I suppose you could be charged with the same offence as you believe that your understanding is the only correct one.

    But this is a forum for "Debate", which is discussion in which people or groups state different opinions. The object is to define terms to help further understanding.

    Now, if you cannot define your terms then it really isn't s debate.

    I would think, that these debates would be purely academic in nature and not intended to "stone" the opponent
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    The principles of debate are logic, evidence, defining terms, case construction, proof, refuting arguments and rebuttal; and not just rebuttal alone.
     
  2. jacobtaylor

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    Ohhh now I see, I thought we were looking for the truth, but instead the winner of this debate will be the smarter one. The one that better defines terms. Its just as I said above you get a kick out of debating Greek with people that don't know Greek. Do you have a score card or some unbiased judge keeping score? Are you winning or loosing?

     
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    I learned a LONG time ago that a lot of people claim to know the Biblical languages well. The fact is that they have just as many disagreements as everyone else. Satan has always challenged the truth of God's Word. This display of trying to re-write God's Word is nothing new.
     
  4. dfj

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    We are and no contest has ever been intended.

    I am just really amazed that no one here can define the word God?

    If they would, then we could really see if there is really any difference in what we are saying.
     
  5. Duckybill

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    Yes DJ, we are all so far below your level of understanding God.
     
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    I am not taking dj's side; I know Jesus IS God but Scripture was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The re-writing was translating it to English.
     
  7. Duckybill

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    Our English versions are quite consistent overall. When DJ gets done with them you won't recognize them.
     
  8. dfj

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    Ducky, just give your definition of God. Can't be that hard.

    It doesn't make me any smarter than you.

     
  9. jacobtaylor

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    They have repeatedly, Jesus is simply not included in your TERM GOD
    Its just as you said this is all about defining terms. Yours disagrees with everyone on this thread.
    Make no mistake that piece of paper on your wall doesent say your right it says you know Greek. It also means someone graded your home work. Does your interpretation agree with your teachers? Maybe, maybe not, now that you have a degree and passed the test you can openly disagree about Greek with anyone. We practice that right as well. After reading and study we disagree with your degree. :D
     
  10. dfj

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    Tom, perhaps you would be so kind as to define what you mean when you say "Jesus is God".

    Please define your understanding of the English word God?



    Where? I don't remember anyone defining what they meant by "God"?

    Just those saying that the don't have to????

    Do you really know what the English word God means?
     
  11. Duckybill

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    OK.
    Since you say that Jesus is God, what I believe you are really saying is He, (Jesus), is THE One Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

     
  13. jacobtaylor

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    1 Cor
    [sup]12[/sup] giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. [sup]13[/sup] He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, [sup]14[/sup] in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
    [sup]15[/sup] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. [sup]16[/sup] For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. [sup]17[/sup] And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. [sup]18[/sup] And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

    Any other questions? Hang that on your wall next to your Greek diploma
     
  14. dfj

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    Don't quit on me now Ducky!!




    Don't be rude Jacob.

    At least Ducky answered my question as to what understands about the word God.
     
  15. dfj

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    I agree that God is THE One Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe

    You also said that Jesus is God citing the Scriptures you gave me. However you had also told me that you did NOT believe that Jesus is The Father.

    Now, I understand the term God to mean, The Father is THE One Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

    Jesus Christ is His only begotten Son who was The Father's Word that became flesh and blood.

    Now Jesus Christ, according to Scripture, has returned to the Father, (risen),


    In 1 Cor 15:25-28, the Scriptures state that "Christ must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself , who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

    I understand this to mean that Christ is absolutely Divine in every way like The Father but not superior to The Father in Authority or rule.

    How are they living together now? As One
     
  16. jacobtaylor

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    Im being no more rude than you are by slinging your Greek phd around.

    Paul answered your question in 1 Col. simply because I told you to hang 1 Col 12-18 next to your Greek diploma is simply because thats the same thing you do. The difference being you trust your diploma, I trust Paul.
    GET IT.
    Its not being rude its repling in the same manner you do DR GREEK. You question us with Greek meaning, We question you with verses, its only appropriate to hang them on the wall together.

    Now your going to ignore the verses in 1 Col and say its rude to tell you to put Paul clear description of Jesus being the creator of heaven and earth. Next to your certificate that enpowers you to deny it. Please sir it is you that is rude not me. Your simply offended by the contrast it depicts. Pauls word next to your diploma, gives you something to think about don't it.
     
  17. dfj

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    It's a Th.D. Jacob and I have already apologized to the forum for appearing to be superior in any way, which was never my intent. I even changed my sign in name so that others would not be as offended as you seem to be.

    I came here because I thought this was a Christian forum where folks could work through their understandings in the Love for one another that the Apostle John talks about so often.

    Apparently I was incorrect to make this assumption.

    So, sadly I will say goodbye.
     
  18. Duckybill

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    That is correct.

    Isaiah 9:6-7 (NASB)
    [sup]6 [/sup]For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. [sup]7 [/sup]There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore.



    Don't be childish DJ.
     
  19. Duckybill

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    John 14:9 (NASB)
    [sup]9 [/sup] He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
    Jn 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh ...
    Nobody said that Jesus is superior to the Father. Why are you?
    There's only one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Genesis 1:26 (NASB)
    [sup]26 [/sup]Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

    How is God infinite? I don't know, but I believe He is. The fact is that God was seen by several people in the OT. If no man has seen God, it must be the Father that has not be seen. Jesus is the God of the OT who was seen.

    Genesis 32:30 (NASB)
    [sup]30 [/sup]So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, "I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved."

    Exodus 33:11 (NASB)
    [sup]11 [/sup]Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend.

    Deuteronomy 5:4 (NASB)
    [sup]4 [/sup]"The Lord spoke to you face to face at the mountain from the midst of the fire,

    Deuteronomy 34:10 (NASB)
    [sup]10 [/sup]Since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
     
  20. Groundzero

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    The mystery of the Trinity is that it doesn't exist! lol.
     
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