Some Questions About Mary

[n2thelight]

but you europeans killed that innocent christ ? didnt you ??

What?!?!

 

[April_Rose]

Only reason I say it does is because the focus is now on if she remained a virgin, rather than why she had to be, Also if she or could have said no.

That to me was the most interesting part of the OP

Well I think that it's another good question though.

but you europeans killed that innocent christ ? didnt you ??

Huh?? What does that have to do with anything??

 

[Pearl]

but you europeans killed that innocent christ ? didnt you ??

Not sure what you mean but Jesus came to earth to die for our sin. He fulfilled his mission and then rose from death so that all who receive him can have eternal life. Nobody took his life, he gave it willingly out of His deep and powerful love for humanity.

 

[Enoch111]

The OP also made the false statement that Mary had other Children. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that so that I why I have an issue with the OP.

Now you are actually denying what is clearly stated in the Bible.

While He yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto Him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. (Matthew 12:46,47)

And when He was come into His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? (Matthew 13:54-56)

You will need to take careful note of a few things here, which will totally REFUTE your nonsensical belief about the perpetual virginity of Mary:

1. All the evangelists (the writers of the Gospels) wrote under the power of divine inspiration (the power of the Holy Spirit). Hence the Gospels are in fact the Word of God.

2. Matthew -- writing by the direction of the Holy Spirit -- stated in Matthew 12:46 that Jesus had actual brethren -- "his mother and his brethren stood without".

3. So even if we imagine that others could have been mistaken, God does not make any mistakes. And it is God who says that Jesus had brethren. Which means that Mary had children after Jesus.

4. Furthermore, we note in Matthew 13:56, that Jesus also had sisters. Which means that Mary had several children after Jesus, both boys and girls. And since both are mentioned in plural, and there were four brothers, there could have been at least two or more sisters -- a very large family.

5. "And when He was come into His own country" means that Jesus was either in Nazareth, or very near Nazareth. The people of Nazareth were quite familiar with His family, and they had to assume that Joseph was the father of Jesus, since legally he was indeed the father (though Christians know the reality of the virgin birth). The fact that the people of Nazareth recognized the entire family of Jesus and therefore relegated Him to merely the son of Joseph the carpenter is further proof that Jesus was the firstborn within a very large family.

6. We hear nothing more about Joseph, but later on we see in Acts 1:14 that Mary and the brothers of Jesus (no mention of the sisters) became disciples of Christ:

And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both [1]Peter, and [2]James, and [3]John, and [4]Andrew, [5]Philip, and [6]Thomas, [7]Bartholomew, and [8]Matthew, [9]James the son of Alphaeus, and [10]Simon Zelotes, and [11]Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

This last passage -- also written by Luke under divine inspiration -- puts the last nail in the coffin of the false Catholic belief that Mary was a perpetual virgin.

7. Since the Holy Spirit is careful to specifically name each and every one of the eleven apostles after Judas, we can be absolutely certain that there was no mistake when Luke said that Jesus had "brethren".

 

[Marymog]

Now you are actually denying what is clearly stated in the Bible.

While He yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto Him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. (Matthew 12:46,47)

And when He was come into His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? (Matthew 13:54-56)

You will need to take careful note of a few things here, which will totally REFUTE your nonsensical belief about the perpetual virginity of Mary:

1. All the evangelists (the writers of the Gospels) wrote under the power of divine inspiration (the power of the Holy Spirit). Hence the Gospels are in fact the Word of God.

2. Matthew -- writing by the direction of the Holy Spirit -- stated in Matthew 12:46 that Jesus had actual brethren -- "his mother and his brethren stood without".

3. So even if we imagine that others could have been mistaken, God does not make any mistakes. And it is God who says that Jesus had brethren. Which means that Mary had children after Jesus.

4. Furthermore, we note in Matthew 13:56, that Jesus also had sisters. Which means that Mary had several children after Jesus, both boys and girls. And since both are mentioned in plural, and there were four brothers, there could have been at least two or more sisters -- a very large family.

5. "And when He was come into His own country" means that Jesus was either in Nazareth, or very near Nazareth. The people of Nazareth were quite familiar with His family, and they had to assume that Joseph was the father of Jesus, since legally he was indeed the father (though Christians know the reality of the virgin birth). The fact that the people of Nazareth recognized the entire family of Jesus and therefore relegated Him to merely the son of Joseph the carpenter is further proof that Jesus was the firstborn within a very large family.

6. We hear nothing more about Joseph, but later on we see in Acts 1:14 that Mary and the brothers of Jesus (no mention of the sisters) became disciples of Christ:

And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both [1]Peter, and [2]James, and [3]John, and [4]Andrew, [5]Philip, and [6]Thomas, [7]Bartholomew, and [8]Matthew, [9]James the son of Alphaeus, and [10]Simon Zelotes, and [11]Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

This last passage -- also written by Luke under divine inspiration -- puts the last nail in the coffin of the false Catholic belief that Mary was a perpetual virgin.

7. Since the Holy Spirit is careful to specifically name each and every one of the eleven apostles after Judas, we can be absolutely certain that there was no mistake when Luke said that Jesus had "brethren".

Lol.....if it is so clearly stated why have you Protestants been arguing about it for 500 years?

 

[Marymog]

Now you are actually denying what is clearly stated in the Bible.

While He yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto Him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. (Matthew 12:46,47)

And when He was come into His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? (Matthew 13:54-56)

You will need to take careful note of a few things here, which will totally REFUTE your nonsensical belief about the perpetual virginity of Mary:

1. All the evangelists (the writers of the Gospels) wrote under the power of divine inspiration (the power of the Holy Spirit). Hence the Gospels are in fact the Word of God.

2. Matthew -- writing by the direction of the Holy Spirit -- stated in Matthew 12:46 that Jesus had actual brethren -- "his mother and his brethren stood without".

3. So even if we imagine that others could have been mistaken, God does not make any mistakes. And it is God who says that Jesus had brethren. Which means that Mary had children after Jesus.

4. Furthermore, we note in Matthew 13:56, that Jesus also had sisters. Which means that Mary had several children after Jesus, both boys and girls. And since both are mentioned in plural, and there were four brothers, there could have been at least two or more sisters -- a very large family.

5. "And when He was come into His own country" means that Jesus was either in Nazareth, or very near Nazareth. The people of Nazareth were quite familiar with His family, and they had to assume that Joseph was the father of Jesus, since legally he was indeed the father (though Christians know the reality of the virgin birth). The fact that the people of Nazareth recognized the entire family of Jesus and therefore relegated Him to merely the son of Joseph the carpenter is further proof that Jesus was the firstborn within a very large family.

6. We hear nothing more about Joseph, but later on we see in Acts 1:14 that Mary and the brothers of Jesus (no mention of the sisters) became disciples of Christ:

And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both [1]Peter, and [2]James, and [3]John, and [4]Andrew, [5]Philip, and [6]Thomas, [7]Bartholomew, and [8]Matthew, [9]James the son of Alphaeus, and [10]Simon Zelotes, and [11]Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

This last passage -- also written by Luke under divine inspiration -- puts the last nail in the coffin of the false Catholic belief that Mary was a perpetual virgin.

7. Since the Holy Spirit is careful to specifically name each and every one of the eleven apostles after Judas, we can be absolutely certain that there was no mistake when Luke said that Jesus had "brethren".

hi Enoch,

I know....I know....You and @Pearl and @April_Rose accept the 500 year teaching of Protestantism and reject the 2,000 year teaching of The Church and any Christian historical writing that says they were cousins Which is 1,900 years old. You reject that the word ἀδελφοὶ means something other than actual brother. That is what you Protestants have been doing for 500 years. You even reject each other’s teachings if it doesn’t fit what YOU believe. Some of your Protestant brethren dont even agree with you. I already am aware of your theory.....There is no reason to type (copy and paste?) 7 bullet points. It doesn’t change 2,000 years of teaching.....your bullet points just re-states a 500 year teaching.

you believe The Church is wrong.....unless you say they are right.....I get it. You are always right.

I appreciate the time you took to defend your 500 year teaching.....but I will stick with the 2,000 year teaching of The Church.

none the less....thank you for your time.

 

[Renniks]

I've asked these questions before on various forums and have received various answers (that I can't really remember) but I really want to know what you guys think.



1. What if Mary had said that she didn't want to give birth to Jesus?
2. Why was she a virgin and did she have to be for the prophecy to come true? (The Bible states that she had other children though.)

1. We can only speculate that God would have picked somebody else... But since he already knew her answer in eternity past, it's kind of a circular question.
2. Yes she had to be a virgin to fulfill the prophecy. Why? IDK, why does God do any miracle? To bring glory to himself, would be my guess. But there's nothing saying she had to remain a virgin the rest of her life.

 

[Ezra]

1. What if Mary had said that she didn't want to give birth to Jesus?
2. Why was she a virgin and did she have to be for the prophecy to come true? (The Bible states that she had other children though.)

1. she was chosen God is not going to chose anyone who rejects him. 2 had to be a virgin mainly so no man could lay claim to salvation

 

[April_Rose]

But there's nothing saying she had to remain a virgin the rest of her life.

Exactly!

2 had to be a virgin mainly so no man could lay claim to salvation

Huh?? Btw @Ezra, it's good to see you as I don't see you or talk to you too much anymore.

 

[Ezra]

Huh??

huh what you dont understand why mary had to be a virgin ?

 

[April_Rose]

huh what you dont understand why mary had to be a virgin ?

Yeah what you said about man and salvation.

 

[Ezra]

Yeah what you said about man and salvation.

what about it ?

 

[April_Rose]

what about it ?

I don't understand what you meant and what you were saying. :

 

[BreadOfLife]

You will need to take careful note of a few things here, which will totally REFUTE your nonsensical belief about the perpetual virginity of Mary:
1. All the evangelists (the writers of the Gospels) wrote under the power of divine inspiration (the power of the Holy Spirit). Hence the Gospels are in fact the Word of God.
2. Matthew -- writing by the direction of the Holy Spirit -- stated in Matthew 12:46 that Jesus had actual brethren -- "his mother and his brethren stood without".

3. So even if we imagine that others could have been mistaken, God does not make any mistakes. And it is God who says that Jesus had brethren. Which means that Mary had children after Jesus.

4. Furthermore, we note in Matthew 13:56, that Jesus also had sisters. Which means that Mary had several children after Jesus, both boys and girls. And since both are mentioned in plural, and there were four brothers, there could have been at least two or more sisters -- a very large family.

5. "And when He was come into His own country" means that Jesus was either in Nazareth, or very near Nazareth. The people of Nazareth were quite familiar with His family, and they had to assume that Joseph was the father of Jesus, since legally he was indeed the father (though Christians know the reality of the virgin birth). The fact that the people of Nazareth recognized the entire family of Jesus and therefore relegated Him to merely the son of Joseph the carpenter is further proof that Jesus was the firstborn within a very large family.

6. We hear nothing more about Joseph, but later on we see in Acts 1:14 that Mary and the brothers of Jesus (no mention of the sisters) became disciples of Christ:

And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both [1]Peter, and [2]James, and [3]John, and [4]Andrew, [5]Philip, and [6]Thomas, [7]Bartholomew, and [8]Matthew, [9]James the son of Alphaeus, and [10]Simon Zelotes, and [11]Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

This last passage -- also written by Luke under divine inspiration -- puts the last nail in the coffin of the false Catholic belief that Mary was a perpetual virgin.

7. Since the Holy Spirit is careful to specifically name each and every one of the eleven apostles after Judas, we can be absolutely certain that there was no mistake when Luke said that Jesus had "brethren".

The idea that the use of "Adelphoi" would be a "mistake" if they weren't uterine siblings of Jesus is beyond asinine.

I have already shown the the use of this word and ALL of its variations in the New Testament statistically show that MOST of the time, it is NOT speaking of uterine siblings:
There are 244 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT.
41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.

I give you the following example:
Acts 1:15-16
In those days Peter stood up among the BROTHERS (Adelphoi) (the company of persons was in all about 120) and said, “BROTHERS (Adelphoi), the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.

We KNOW that not all of these men are uterine siblings.
Did the Holy Spirit make a "mistake"??