Strict Rules Of Believing

[Squeaky]

STRICT RULES OF BELIEVING
　
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Mark 12:30-32
30 'And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
31 "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.
John 17:14-19
14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
James 1:19-20
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
John 10:1-9
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 "But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 "To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
4 "And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.
5 "Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."
6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.
7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
2 Cor 10:3-6
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
(NKJ)
xxx The new testament is the law of Christ, and Christ gave us many commandments to obey. If you cant claim it with a verse your in the milk understanding. If you cant dispute it with a verse your in the milk understanding. The meat understanding is done with the verses(The Word Of God).
　
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
(NKJ)
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
(NKJ)
Matt 5:19-20
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
(NKJ)
1 Tim 2:11-12
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
(NKJ)

 

[Angelina]

xxx The new testament is the law of Christ, and Christ gave us many commandments to obey. If you cant claim it with a verse your in the milk understanding. If you cant dispute it with a verse your in the milk understanding. The meat understanding is done with the verses(The Word Of God).

You are difficult to understand. Your thread is about "Strict rules of believing"

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Yet the above passage you have quoted refers to the Book of Revelation, not the entire bible

Romans 8 says:
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

1 Tim 2:11-12
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.(NKJ)

Oh... and is this one for me? ^_^ the bible also tells us to test the spirits to see if they are from God 1 John 4:1 and since this is a forum environment and not a Church I will certainly continue to test such spirits...

Bless you!!!

 

[Squeaky]

I don't see what is difficult. For a true believer one must NOT add one thing to the verses or take one thing away from the verses. They must not even think beyond what is written in the verses.

 

[Angelina]

You have taken a whole load of scriptures and are saying that these are the "strict rules of believing". Your emphasis is on the law of Christ but the scriptures you have chosen are random and have hardly anything to do with the law of Christ [which is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus]. The Law of the Spirit can be summed up in two commandments - Love God and love your neighbor.

 

[Madad21]

I don't see what is difficult. For a true believer one must NOT add one thing to the verses or take one thing away from the verses. They must not even think beyond what is written in the verses.

Revelation 22:18-21
" I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

Both of these scriptures have nothing to do with theological thought, meditation on scripture or reasoning within the context of the original gospel message and therefore no bearing on Angelina’s chosen scripture 1 John 4:1

The scripture you quote in Revelation has to do with false teachings, apostasy, heresy and false prophets the second you added to it speaks about division in the church over the tradition of following a particular teacher and therefore a reflected altered gospel. Paul makes the point that he has the same gossple as Apollos, but Pauls purpose is for planting while Apollos is for watering.
He means to bring in to line all thought and understanding in to the one original message.

Those who do as Jesus commands stay within the context of scripture and never deviate from what has been said. it is the way that we form our understanding by way of reasoning and meditating through it, its also how we can experience Christ and it informs our theologies.

2 Timothy 2:14-15
Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth".

Choosing a short list of random biblical quotes does not make up "rules of believing" but it does make up "Strictness", The gospel from Genesis to Revelation make up the parameters of faith, If you take just a few and say this is how it is to be then you create quarrel over words, because you make your own informed theology limited in understanding, the quarrel comes when others who understand the gospel message try to talk to you and you reject them based on you unwillingness to move from the parameters you have constructed for yourself. basically creating your own religion with doctrine. This will only serve to trap yourself as was with the Pharisees in their day, their own words convicted them.

Understanding the gospel comes from the wholeness of the word and the application of it in your life, it comes from growing in knowledge and adapting accordingly.
We are told to be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2)
Not confined by our own limitations set by our desire for religion over freedom.
A freedom brought for us.

1 Peter 3:15
“But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,”

We are told to meditate on the word (Psalm 1:2) and that is where we get our understanding, our reasoning, we will always be asked to elaborate in order to explain our beliefs.

Paul inspired through the Spirit elaborated and extended all original gospel teachings in order that we may understand how to apply the gospel into our daily lives. Peter however didn’t bother to do this because he treated his audience as if they already knew all that, he simply made exaltation to righteousness in his own extension of the word he had received.

Both Paul and Peter are excellent examples by what is meant by properly handling the Word of truth.

If you wish to point out the rules of beleiving in a nutshell then Angilina was right in what she said, actually in what Jesus said

Matthew 22:36-40​

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”​

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”​

 

[Squeaky]

You have taken a whole load of scriptures and are saying that these are the "strict rules of believing". Your emphasis is on the law of Christ but the scriptures you have chosen are random and have hardly anything to do with the law of Christ [which is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus]. The Law of the Spirit can be summed up in two commandments - Love God and love your neighbor.

I said
Are you telling me that you pick and choose which scriptures you want to believe?
We can start out with just acouple if you would like.
We are suppose to learn NOT to even think beyond what is written in the scriptures. And we are NOT to take one word out or put one word in the scriptures.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

Revelation 22:18-21
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

Both of these scriptures have nothing to do with theological thought, meditation on scripture or reasoning within the context of the original gospel message and therefore no bearing on Angelina’s chosen scripture 1 John 4:1

The scripture you quote in Revelation has to do with false teachings, apostasy, heresy and false prophets the second you added to it speaks about division in the church over the tradition of following a particular teacher and therefore a reflected altered gospel. Paul makes the point that he has the same gossple as Apollos, but Pauls purpose is for planting while Apollos is for watering.
He means to bring in to line all thought and understanding in to the one original message.

Those who do as Jesus commands stay within the context of scripture and never deviate from what has been said. it is the way that we form our understanding by way of reasoning and meditating through it, its also how we can experience Christ and it informs our theologies.

2 Timothy 2:14-15
Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

Choosing a short list of random biblical quotes does not make up "rules of believing" but it does make up "Strictness", The gospel from Genesis to Revelation make up the parameters of faith, If you take just a few and say this is how it is to be then you create quarrel over words, because you make your own informed theology limited in understanding, the quarrel comes when others who understand the gospel message try to talk to you and you reject them based on you unwillingness to move from the parameters you have constructed for yourself. basically creating your own religion with doctrine. This will only serve to trap yourself as was with the Pharisees in their day, their own words convicted them.

Understanding the gospel comes from the wholeness of the word and the application of it in your life, it comes from growing in knowledge and adapting accordingly.
We are told to be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2)
Not confined by our own limitations set by our desire for religion over freedom.
A freedom brought for us.

1 Peter 3:15
“But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,”

We are told to meditate on the word (Psalm 1:2) and that is where we get our understanding, our reasoning, we will always be asked to elaborate in order to explain our beliefs.

Paul inspired through the Spirit elaborated and extended all original gospel teachings in order that we may understand how to apply the gospel into our daily lives. Peter however didn’t bother to do this because he treated his audience as if they already knew all that, he simply made exaltation to righteousness in his own extension of the word he had received.

Both Paul and Peter are excellent examples by what is meant by properly handling the Word of truth.

I said
It sounds to me like it says that we are not to be in theology(Which is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing) but we are suppose to be in the Word(verses).

 

[Madad21]

I said
Are you telling me that you pick and choose which scriptures you want to believe?
We can start out with just acouple if you would like.
We are suppose to learn NOT to even think beyond what is written in the scriptures. And we are NOT to take one word out or put one word in the scriptures.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

I said
It sounds to me like it says that we are not to be in theology(Which is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing) but we are suppose to be in the Word(verses).

We all have theology even you.

The word Theology means "study of God"

If you Tell me how you put together your list and your reasoning behind it, I will show you your theology.

Reading your bible and all your life experiences, teachers you have listened too, churches you have attended, etc etc etc all inform your theology. everybody has a theology even the atheists have theological veiws.

knowing how to handle the word of God is knowing how to understand it. This takes education and education comes through the reasoning of scripture, in order to reason from scripture you need to understand what is being said and why. How can you possibly understand any scripture if you dont study it?
Where was the person who said it?
Who was his audience at the time he said it?
What was going on around him (politically and religiously)?
What is the original meaning in the Greek or Hebrew?
How does this apply to us now?
All these factors and many more play an important roll in understanding what is being said and why it was said.

Study the word as it is intended in context and dont limit yourself to legalisms, that is a religious trap you set for yourself, being enlightened means having a relationship with Christ through His Spirit that dwells in you if you seek him earnestly.

Peace :)

 

[Angelina]

Well said Madad21! :) Impressive and very discerning...

 

[Squeaky]

We all have theology even you.

The word Theology means "study of God"

If you Tell me how you put together your list and your reasoning behind it, I will show you your theology.

Reading your bible and all your life experiences, teachers you have listened too, churches you have attended, etc etc etc all inform your theology. everybody has a theology even the atheists have theological veiws.

knowing how to handle the word of God is knowing how to understand it. This takes education and education comes through the reasoning of scripture, in order to reason from scripture you need to understand what is being said and why. How can you possibly understand any scripture if you dont study it?
Where was the person who said it?
Who was his audience at the time he said it?
What was going on around him (politically and religiously)?
What is the original meaning in the Greek or Hebrew?
How does this apply to us now?
All these factors and many more play an important roll in understanding what is being said and why it was said.

Study the word as it is intended in context and dont limit yourself to legalisms, that is a religious trap you set for yourself, being enlightened means having a relationship with Christ through His Spirit that dwells in you if you seek him earnestly.

Peace :)

I said
I went through the three years of the milk understanding. I had a theology then, everyone in the milk has theology. But I found the Holy Spirit and started learning from Him. One verse at a time. I purged all my carnality out so that I had no theology. Theology is spiritual theory, theory is guessing. When I was empty of my feelings and emotions> I had crucified my flesh. Then I came to Jesus in the revelations of Jesus Christ. I just submit to the revelations with no theology(guessing).

 

[Madad21]

I said
I went through the three years of the milk understanding. I had a theology then, everyone in the milk has theology. But I found the Holy Spirit and started learning from Him. One verse at a time. I purged all my carnality out so that I had no theology. Theology is spiritual theory, theory is guessing. When I was empty of my feelings and emotions> I had crucified my flesh. Then I came to Jesus in the revelations of Jesus Christ. I just submit to the revelations with no theology(guessing).

Why have you started say "I said" before everything, is there a problem with speaking normally?

Theology has nothing at all to do with guessing and has everything to do with fact finding and understanding.
And once again all that you have written above is a theology, how do you not see that, you make no sense in your reasoning.

Your theology is your beliefs (everything you have said above), if you have no theology then you have no understanding at all. :huh:

 

[Squeaky]

Why have you started say "I said" before everything, is there a problem with speaking normally?

Theology has nothing at all to do with guessing and has everything to do with fact finding and understanding.
And once again all that you have written above is a theology, how do you not see that, you make no sense in your reasoning.

Your theology is your beliefs (everything you have said above), if you have no theology then you have no understanding at all. :huh:

I said
I think the problem is your referring to the milk understanding. And I'm using the meat understanding. Do you know the difference?

 

[RANDOR]

Yes...we know what meat is. And it also goes good with milk.

 

[Squeaky]

Yes...we know what meat is. And it also goes good with milk.

I said
Then you don't know. You have a carnal language which is what we are speaking now. And you have a spiritual language which is total verses. The Holy Spirit only quotes verses. Satan quotes old testament verses but he doesn't quote new testament verses. If he did his kingdom would be divided.

Matt 12:25-28
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
(NKJ)

When the Holy Spirit explains something in scripture with scripture that is the meat understanding. When someone explains scripture carnally that is the milk understanding.
There is only one guarantee of salvation in the whole bible. That is the Holy Spirit, the one that only quotes verses.

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)
John 16:7-14
7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 "of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 "of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

 

[RANDOR]

So tell us...carnaly of course...so i, a mere man can understand....have your sins been forgiven?

 

[Squeaky]

So tell us...carnaly of course...so i, a mere man can understand....have your sins been forgiven?

I said
No one comes to the revelations of Jesus Christ unless they have been forgiven.

 

[Madad21]

I said
No one comes to the revelations of Jesus Christ unless they have been forgiven.

More theology,

by someone who says they have no theology :huh:

 

[RANDOR]

I said
No one comes to the revelations of Jesus Christ unless they have been forgiven.

Are your sins forgiven?...ya know...you personally.