Take A Stand - Stand to gain, or stand to lose?

[Behold]

.just as His word says...

Its what i gave you.

I was not taught how to become Born Again..it’s not biblical...

When a person, say, is in church, and the Pastor gives an alter call, .......they do not say.....>>>"who wants to be born again".

What they do, is "preach the Gospel", ... they tell them why Jesus died on the Cross for them, and they offer Jesus to them as their Savior, for the forgiveness of their sin.
And, from this "hearing".. the Holy Spirit moves on hearts to accept Jesus as their Savior, and "all who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"
"As many as received Jesus, God gives to them the power to become a Son/Daughter of God".

So, when this happen s to them, they are born.........again.

Born Again by supernatural divine heart revelation....a Bible can’t do that.

Why do you always say that someone is saying the bible causes you to be born again.
Its not the bible that does this.. its the Holy Spirit that causes the new birth.....but its the words in the bible, ... as the Gospel is found in the Bible.........and "the Gospel is the power of God, unto SALVATION, unto all who BELIEVE"., and this Gospel is words found in The Bible.

So, the words in the bible, that show you Jesus as Savior.........and you believe it...........this is spiritually connected.

 

[Ritajanice]

Its what i gave you.





When a person, say, is in church, and the Pastor gives an alter call, .......they do not say.....>>>"who wants to be born again".

What they do, is "preach the Gospel", ... they tell them why Jesus died on the Cross for them, and they offer Jesus to them as their Savior, for the forgiveness of their sin.
And, from this "hearing".. the Holy Spirit moves on hearts to accept Jesus as their Savior, and "all who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"
"As many as received Jesus, God gives to them the power to become a Son/Daughter of God".

So, when this happen s to them, they are born.........again.



Why do you always say that someone is saying the bible causes you to be born again.
Its not the bible that does this.. its the Holy Spirit that causes the new birth.....but its the words in the bible, ... as the Gospel is found in the Bible.........and "the Gospel is the power of God, unto SALVATION, unto all who BELIEVE".

So, the words in the bible, that show you Jesus as Savior.........and you believe it...........this is connected.

Bye ,bye. Behold...you are once again trying to convince me how to be Born Of The Spirit...” your way”.....it’s none of my business how others believe that they became Born Again..

I understand being Born Of The Spirit, the exact same way that Jesus explains to Nicodemus, that’s exactly how I was Born Of The Spirit...as the Spirit was indwelling my heart / spirit permanently, when Spirit gives birth to spirit...the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

The Spirit who is at work in our hearts, all day every day..is conforming us into Jesus image and we bear the Spirit fruit......

I was on a habitual path of arguing....with you at one time...no longer ,as I am growing and maturing in Christ.

I don’t have to prove to anyone, that they must be Born Again “ my way” once upon a time ,yes...not now.

I give the Living testimony of the Spirit, that’s all I have to do..on how I was Born Of The Spirit...that’s my calling.

I’m here to represent the Living Spirit Of God....I’m not here to represent “ myself”....enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Behold]

Bye ,bye. Behold...you are once again trying to convince me how to be Born Of The Spirit...” your way”....

You asked me to explain the spiritual application of "born again".....so, i did this for you.

I understand that your """i was born again before i had faith, obsession"", that is Calvinism is blocking you from being able to hear .....thats obvious as that is what Calvinism does to its victims......so, when we talk, i do try to carefully explain things for you, but because i know you are not able to hear it.... does not mean that others who read our correspondence, have the same issue.

 

[soberxp]

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Be careful of Proverbs. 6:17
A proud look,

Ephesians 4:2
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

 

[Wick Stick]

I find it very satisfying ...far more than..than any building where they teach God..for about an hour.

This is relatable. The best parts of church are the singing, and the before-and-after-service where you talk with people and perhaps go out to lunch. The sermon... most often that's an exercise in biting one's tongue.

 

[St. SteVen]

I was asked a question about why I am still in the church? Good question.

This led to me thinking about the larger subject of taking a stand. What does that look like? Or what could it look like?

Over the years I have known many individuals that have taken issue with the church and headed for the door.

As I saw these situations unfold I asked the individuals to weigh what they would lose against what they would gain.
In most cases they felt that they were doing the "honest" thing. They could no longer play the game at church.

Parenthetically, this meant that they may have felt that I was being "dishonest" to stay in the church.
Fortunately, none of these dear friends accused me of such. And I wondered if the "honesty" thing was just an excuse. ???
What they would say to anyone who questions why they left. To keep themselves of some sort of "higher ground".

I'm still in the church, and I have my reasons. And I think God wants me to stay put for now.

Discussion questions:
1) When is it appropriate to take a stand?
2) What forms might that take?
3) What does one stand to gain?
4) What does one stand to lose?

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[Behold]

I was asked a question about why I am still in the church?

Every born again believer is "the Church"...that is "the body of Christ".
This is eternal.

Now, there are those who are not associated with this knowledge who beleive that denoninations or the Mary Cult is "the Church".

Here is an update.

There are no denominations in Heaven.......as denomination are man made, and Christianity is God Created.

So, its good to go to Church.......understanding that the "church" is all the believers.

Find a bible believing Church, that understands the Gospel = that Paul preaches, and has a great worship team, and a sound doctrine Pastor, and a solid ministry for the young people and children, and also take note if this church supports MISSIONARIES.
That's a "tell"......as if the Church does not support missionaries, then it does not support bringing people to Jesus, as Priority #1.
So, that is a church to avoid.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

Church is a spiritual gym. It helps us in need and with support and offers fellowship, but it doesnt dictate a relationship with God. Church helps us be prepared to do Gods work. But the true work happens outside.

 

[St. SteVen]

I was asked a question about why I am still in the church? Good question.

This led to me thinking about the larger subject of taking a stand. What does that look like? Or what could it look like?

Over the years I have known many individuals that have taken issue with the church and headed for the door.

As I saw these situations unfold I asked the individuals to weigh what they would lose against what they would gain.
In most cases they felt that they were doing the "honest" thing. They could no longer play the game at church.

Parenthetically, this meant that they may have felt that I was being "dishonest" to stay in the church.
Fortunately, none of these dear friends accused me of such. And I wondered if the "honesty" thing was just an excuse. ???
What they would say to anyone who questions why they left. To keep themselves of some sort of "higher ground".

I'm still in the church, and I have my reasons. And I think God wants me to stay put for now.
I don't mean to "play the God card" to end the discussion. I want us to discuss this.

Discussion questions:
1) When is it appropriate to take a stand?
2) What forms might that take?
3) What does one stand to gain?
4) What does one stand to lose?

 

[Behold]

Over the years I have known many individuals that have taken issue with the church and headed for the door.

Its obvious that not only is your Gospel false and "of the devil".... (universalism) but you also literally dont understand the true definition of "the church".

Let me give you a hint,

A.) Its not a building or a denomination. @St. SteVen