The 6th seal great tribulation

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Davy

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The stopping of the daily sacrifice (of two lambs) is part of committing the transgression of desolation and the setting up of the abomination of desolation.

"desolation" in that context is that the tod and aod will make the temple desolate of the worship of the One True God.

The tod is an act - by the Antichrist of sitting in the temple, claiming to have achieved God-hood.

The aod is statue image (which could be considered an idol) of the beast-king (the Antichrist in his final stage of development) that will be "set up" on the temple mount. Which that statue image will be not shortly thereafter indwelt by Satan. Making it appear to come alive and speak.

The transgression of desolation of Daniel 8 is the SAME event as the placing of the "abomination that maketh desolate" written of in Daniel 11:31, by the coming "vile person" of that Chapter.

It will involve the "image of the beast" prophesied at the end of Revelation 13 setup by the "another beast", i.e., the final Antichrist/false-Messiah.

The idea of the "image of the beast" with commanded worship is a direct parallel to what Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon did with setting up the golden idol image of himself, and commanding that all bow in worship to it at the sound of the psalter. This is why Revelation points to the idea of old Babylon with the Babylon Harlot mystery.
 

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The great tribulation of the sixth seal is the time of the wrath of God.It takes place after the persecution of the saints in the 5th seal.

The saints are instructed in the testimony of Jesus and the word of God to warn the people of God's coming judgement .Much like John the Baptist became a watchman warning the people to repent.If you remember,John was beheaded .
The saints warn against worshiping the beast ,it's image and receiving its mark .They testify of Jesus and are killed for these reasons.

In all accounts ,the persecution comes first ,followed by the great tribulation and the wrath of God upon all them who rejected the gospel .
So, you make a fair point, why are there Martyrs at the 5th Seal then the Wrath/Troubles only come at the 6th Seal. But everything goes haywire from there like Trump, The USA etc. etc. (I read through before I comment unlike most)


What if the Seals were shown as LOCKS instead, would you then grasp these seals (locks) are not Judgments, but 7 Locks that have the Trumpet Judgments all locked up, until the 7th lock is taken off? Thus this is why the 7th lock is over in Rev. 8 where God's Wrath actually starts.

So, what is going on with the Seals/LOCKS? Jesus is taking one off and foretelling the Saints in heaven what is about to go down on earth when the 7th Seal/THINK LOCK is taken off the scroll that contains the 7 Trumpets (7 = Divine Completion, not 21). The first 5 Locks/Seals are taken off (these Seals LOCK UP a Message) and Jesus foretells about a coming Little Horn/AC man, his covering Beast n heaven says COME AND SEE (a vision of the future unlike the Trumps and Vials which see Angels blow and pour them out)

So, all 5 are just Jesus telling us what is soon to come when the Wrath of God falls and the AC is allowed to go forth conquering. By the way, God might allow him to go forth sooner, but he might not be able to because the USA is basically laid waste by the First Four Trumps (ONE LARGE ASTEROID STRIKE). Then he can go forth strategically without getting the USA's busy body Army on him. In the Magog ad Gog war 5/6 of Russia's Armies is taken out, now he's free to do as he (The E.U. President) so pleases.

He Conquers, Brings War, which bring Famine, which causes Sickness/Death and the Grave (hades) an d lastly he will Martyrs the Saints (Gentile) who repent during the 70th week. He can not get at the new Jewish Converts, they flee into the Jordan Mountain Ranges where God protects them. Now we will see Jesus foretell about God's coming wrath. He says in Lock/Seal #6 that God Wrath will fall, and it will bring darkness via the Sun and Moon dimming, well where do we actually see that at? Trump #4 Its al Jesus prophesying about the soon to come evens on earth. If one would just read Rev. 7 very carefully they could see the Wrath will not fall until Rev. 8, what what God says to his angel says in Rev. 7.

Rev. 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes(the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9 or 5 million Jews) of the children of Israel.

So, God tells the Angels to HOLD UP the Four Winds or Judgments that hurt the Earth. Sea and Trees UNTIL He has Sealed the 144,000 (a Code for ALL Israel who repent). Well, where is the Earth, Sea and Trees harmed at? In the Trumpet Judgments. So, the Trumpet Judgments have to be where the Wrath of God starts, not in the Seals (Locks).

Now since all are Prophetic in Nature it doesn't matter that Seal 5 is before Seal 6 does it?

HERE BELOW IS YOUR "6th Seal" coming to pass

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
 

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The great tribulation of the sixth seal is the time of the wrath of God.It takes place after the persecution of the saints in the 5th seal.
You are starting off on the wrong foot.

The persecution of the saints is the great tribulation. It occurs at the 5th seal

The great tribulation if over when the 6th seal is opened. Jesus comes for a harvest, hence a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7

The 7th seal is the one-year wrath of God.

The great tribulation and the wrath of God are not the same thing.
 

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HERE BELOW IS YOUR "6th Seal" coming to pass

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Totally and completely INCORRECT.

How can the 6th seal have anything to do with the 4th trumpet of the 7th seal.

Your logic has no merit and is baseless.
 

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Totally and completely INCORRECT.

How can the 6th seal have anything to do with the 4th trumpet of the 7th seal.

Your logic has no merit and is baseless.
He often tells people that he has been preaching this stuff for 40 years. After 40 years, he still believes nonsense such as thinking that the 6th seal is parallel to the 4th trumpet. It seems that he has learned nothing at all during that 40 years and he must have been preaching complete nonsense that whole time, at least as it relates to end times doctrine. I hope his preaching on other subjects is not completely nonsensical like his preaching on end times doctrine.
 

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He often tells people that he has been preaching this stuff for 40 years. After 40 years, he still believes nonsense such as thinking that the 6th seal is parallel to the 4th trumpet. It seems that he has learned nothing at all during that 40 years and he must have been preaching complete nonsense that whole time, at least as it relates to end times doctrine. I hope his preaching on other subjects is not completely nonsensical like his preaching on end times doctrine.
You are on IGNORE and its well deserved.
 
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Totally and completely INCORRECT.

How can the 6th seal have anything to do with the 4th trumpet of the 7th seal.

Your logic has no merit and is baseless.
ASKING HOW....................means you did not read.

A little slower this time with no clutter, the Seals are Jesus PROPHESYING FUTURE EVENTS.

Its like me taking 7 Locks off a closet door at my 50th birthday. All my gifts are in the closet, as I open each lock I tell my guests about Gifts as I go, a Sports Coat, Harmonica, Leather Bible, a Hymm book, a Shirt, a Pair of shorts a Cross Pendant etc. etc. and with each lock I tell of gifts, once I get to the 7th lock how many gifts has my guests seen? Zero, because the 7th lock has to be taken off first.

It baffles me people do not understand what a Wax Signet Seal did, it kept a message (Scroll) from being observed until the final Wax Signet Seal was off, in God's case 7 = Divine Completion. Why do you think God chose 7 Seals?
 
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You are on IGNORE and its well deserved.
Oh no. What will I do without being able to talk to you? I guess I'll have to try to figure that out. In the meantime, ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7) so that you stop thinking nonsense such as the sixth seal and fourth trumpet being the same.
 

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You are a smart man.
So, do you agree with him that the 6th seal and 4th trumpet are the same? You think that's something a smart man believes?

You pre-tribs run away whenever your weak doctrine gets destroyed. Your incoherent arguments don't work at all with those who have discernment. Pre-trib doesn't hold up to scrutiny against scripture at all. You guys would rather put me on ignore than deal with scripture honestly and acknowledge the holes that I have shown in your theories.