The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

[Marty fox]

We all must STOP thinking and reading the book of Rev. chronologically. (Isa. 55:8-9)
Therefore, prophetically speaking, Rev. 19 actually takes place before Rev. 20

"The Day of the Lord" (2 Peter 3:10), aka the sudden Glorious return of Christ from Heaven- Rev. 19:1-2, is Luke 17:28-30; 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

"Satan BOUND" (Rev. 20:2)- Rev. 20:1-15, upto the sudden return of Christ- Rev. 19:1-21, is Mat. 12:29; Mark 3:27; Luke 11:22, which began on the day of Jesus' death and resurrection,

Yes that's what II was saying

 

[Earburner]

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Please see my post #277 about the Feast of Tabernacles, and HOW Born again Christians have been keeping that Feast through Christ.

 

[Earburner]

Yes that's what II was saying

You might have replied earlier than my recent edit. Please read my post 280 again, only this time you may NOT agree with what I said.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please see my post #277 about the Feast of Tabernacles, and HOW it is being kept today through Christ.

I have seen your response several times, I disagree

 

[Marty fox]

You might have replied earlier than my recent edit. Please read my post 280 again, only this time you may NOT agree with what I said.

Yes Revelation 20 starts before revelation 19 but I don' believe that the latter part of Revelation is complete as Revelation 20:9

 

[Davy]

Do you not yet know that the Feast of Tabernacles (of temporary dwelling places) is about God Himself and NOT the Jews?
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

2 Cor. 4:7 But we have this treasure [God Himself] [with] in [our] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

All Born again Christians do keep the Feast of Tabernacles until their mortal death, which is when they shed their temporary mortal bodies, whereby through God's Eternal Holy Spirit, they are then at rest, asleep in Jesus, waiting for the Day of His Glorious return and their resurrection into Immortality.

 

[Davy]

You run away in distraction, God's words aren't contradictory, when Jesus is revealed at his second coming "All" the unsaved wicked are destroyed by the Lords fire, why do you "Deny" the very simple words of God seen below as if they don't exist?
....

You just described what YOU actually do!

That's why folks like you on man's false Amill theories REJECT the Zechariah 14:16-20 Scripture about the WICKED leftovers of the armies that will come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world being made to go up to Jerusalem AFTER Christ has returned, and worship Him, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[Truth7t7]

You just described what YOU actually do!

That's why folks like you on man's false Amill theories REJECT the Zechariah 14:16-20 Scripture about the WICKED leftovers of the armies that will come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world being made to go up to Jerusalem AFTER Christ has returned, and worship Him, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Once again you run, hide, distract, from a direct response to Luke 17:29-30 "Why"?

You run away in distraction, God's words aren't contradictory, when Jesus is revealed at his second coming "All" the unsaved wicked are destroyed by the Lords fire, why do you "Deny" the very simple words of God seen below as if they don't exist?

Please respond "directly" to Luke 17:29-30 below, don't run away in distraction

"Destroyed Them All" "When The Son Of Man Is Revealed" You Hide From God's Words Of Truth

"All" The Unsaved Wicked Will Be "Destroyed" By "Fire" When The Lord Is Revealed In His Future "Second Coming"

Fire, Brimstone, "Destroyed Them All" Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand before your eyes!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Davy]

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Don't you know you cannot just CHOOSE one Bible Scripture over another that SEEMS to CONTRADICT each other???

And that is what your interpretation of the above does; it causes those Scriptures to contradict each other. That is WHY... we are supposed keep studying The Bible because God always leaves at least TWO OR MORE WITNESSES TO A MATTER...

Isa 24:20-22
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
KJV

Even the following Scripture is about Christ's future reign after His 2nd coming, over the unsaved heathen with "a rod of iron"...

Ps 2:6-12
6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, 'Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.'
8 Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
KJV

Even in that time after... Jesus has returned, and is reigning with that "rod of iron" over those kings, that "and ye perish from the way" is given in the post-return sense, showing a later time of perishing ("second death") is still in effect for those kings.


And the following example I really like as an ensample of what I've been saying about the wicked still existing after Christ's 2nd coming...

Rev 3:7-9
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He That is holy, He That is true, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

After Jesus' 2nd coming, He is going to make those wicked of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and worship Him before His elect's feet??? HOW... will those wicked do that if they had already been destroyed???? That "synagogue of Satan" isn't just about deceived Jews either; it is about the "tares" of Christ's parable of the tares of the field, the truly wicked servants that worship Satan (Matt.13).

 

[Davy]

Once again you run, hide, distract, from a direct response to Luke 17:29-30 "Why"?

You run away in distraction, God's words aren't contradictory, when Jesus is revealed at his second coming "All" the unsaved wicked are destroyed by the Lords fire, why do you "Deny" the very simple words of God seen below as if they don't exist?

You haven't begun... to address the Scripture references I gave in my posts. So once again, it is YOU that is HIDING, even hiding behind the coat tail of false ones that serve the devil. You just don't know it yet.

 

[Truth7t7]

After Jesus' 2nd coming, He is going to make those wicked of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and worship Him before His elect's feet???

Your claim above is 100% "False"!

When Jesus is revealed at his second coming he will destroy "All" the unsaved wicked Luke 17:29-30KJV, God's words below that you ignore as if they don't exist, simple, clear, and before your eyes and God's words aren't contradictory

"Destroyed Them All" "When The Son Of Man Is Revealed" You Hide From God's Words Of Truth

"All" The Unsaved Wicked Will Be "Destroyed" By "Fire" When The Lord Is Revealed In His Future "Second Coming"

Fire, Brimstone, "Destroyed Them All" Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand before your eyes!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Truth7t7]

You haven't begun... to address the Scripture references I gave in my posts. So once again, it is YOU that is HIDING, even hiding behind the coat tail of false ones that serve the devil. You just don't know it yet.

Once again and again you run, hide, distract, from a direct response to Luke 17:29-30 "Why"? Because it "Destroys" your false claim that the wicked will remain present on this earth "After" the Lords second coming "Fact"!

You run away in distraction, God's words aren't contradictory, when Jesus is revealed at his second coming "All" the unsaved wicked are destroyed by the Lords fire, why do you "Deny" the very simple words of God seen below as if they don't exist?

Please respond "directly" to Luke 17:29-30 below, don't run away in distraction

"Destroyed Them All" "When The Son Of Man Is Revealed" You Hide From God's Words Of Truth

"All" The Unsaved Wicked Will Be "Destroyed" By "Fire" When The Lord Is Revealed In His Future "Second Coming"

Fire, Brimstone, "Destroyed Them All" Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand before your eyes!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Earburner]

By your choice, you posted an emoji (your post 286) against my post #277. It is apparent to me that you don't know whether the Holy Spirit of God dwells within your temporary mortal body or not.
You should be concerned! Rom. 8:9

 

[Truth7t7]

By your choice of an emoji against my post #277, it is apparent to me that you don't know whether the Holy Spirit of God dwells within your temporary mortal body or not.
You should be concerned! Rom. 8:9

Who are you writing to?

Try responding to a quoted poster, thanks

 

[Davy]

Your claim above is 100% "False"!

Not MY claim, that is what Jesus said, that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and worship at the feet of His elect Church of Philadelphia. You shouldn't call Jesus a LIAR, which is what you just did.


Lord Jesus Christ speaking...

Rev 3:7-9
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; 'These things saith He That is holy, He That is true, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV


Why should what Lord Jesus said above make you angry?!? Those of the "synagogue of Satan" He pointed to are the "tares", the crept in unawares of Jude 4, those who SAY they are from Judah but are not, but instead are the children of the devil, the truly... wicked.

Are you then angry because after Lord Jesus returns, He is going to make those 'wicked' BOW in worship to Him at the feet of His elect? Only a servant of the devil would be angry at that.

And we KNOW that is still a FUTURE event that will ONLY happen after Christ's 2nd coming. for the "synagogue of Satan" has NEVER bowed the knee in worship of Christ during this present world.

 

[Earburner]

Who are you writing to?

Try responding to a quoted poster, thanks

It's hard to reply to an "emoji" in post 286 by @Davy , of which I DID reference as being "286". Check post #286 out yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You just described what YOU actually do!

That's why folks like you on man's false Amill theories REJECT the Zechariah 14:16-20 Scripture about the WICKED leftovers of the armies that will come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world being made to go up to Jerusalem AFTER Christ has returned, and worship Him, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Your beliefs make a fool out of Jesus.

John 4:19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not MY claim, that is what Jesus said, that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and worship at the feet of His elect Church of Philadelphia. You shouldn't call Jesus a LIAR, which is what you just did.


Lord Jesus Christ speaking...

Rev 3:7-9
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; 'These things saith He That is holy, He That is true, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV


Why should what Lord Jesus said above make you angry?!? Those of the "synagogue of Satan" He pointed to are the "tares", the crept in unawares of Jude 4, those who SAY they are from Judah but are not, but instead are the children of the devil, the truly... wicked.

Are you then angry because after Lord Jesus returns, He is going to make those 'wicked' BOW in worship to Him at the feet of His elect? Only a servant of the devil would be angry at that.

And we KNOW that is still a FUTURE event that will ONLY happen after Christ's 2nd coming. for the "synagogue of Satan" has NEVER bowed the knee in worship of Christ during this present world.

That will happen at the judgment when Jesus returns. After they come to bow down before Jesus and confess that Jesus is Lord while giving an account of themselves (since they will see Him in His glory and it will be undeniable that He is Lord at that point), they will then be cast into the lake of fire. You are proving nothing here as it relates to your false Premill belief.

 

[Davy]

That will happen at the judgment when Jesus returns. After they come to bow down before Jesus and confess that Jesus is Lord while giving an account of themselves (since they will see Him in His glory and it will be undeniable that He is Lord at that point), they will then be cast into the lake of fire.

That last part you are jumping... a time gap, the "thousand years" reign Rev.20 declares Jesus will reign with His elect prior... to their going into the "lake of fire". Also, how do you know they all go into the "lake of fire", because one or more of them might convert to Jesus Christ during that "thousand years" reign? What your false Amill doctrine is doing is taking away God's Judgment decisions and trying to replace it with 'men's' faulty judgment.

And FYI, if one accurately follows the Revelation 20 events 'as written', then it includes that "thousand years" time of Jesus' reign over the wicked. So you're not keeping God's Word as written; you are following doctrines of men.

 

[Marty fox]

That last part you are jumping... a time gap, the "thousand years" reign Rev.20 declares Jesus will reign with His elect prior... to their going into the "lake of fire". Also, how do you know they all go into the "lake of fire", because one or more of them might convert to Jesus Christ during that "thousand years" reign? What your false Amill doctrine is doing is taking away God's Judgment decisions and trying to replace it with 'men's' faulty judgment.

And FYI, if one accurately follows the Revelation 20 events 'as written', then it includes that "thousand years" time of Jesus' reign over the wicked. So you're not keeping God's Word as written; you are following doctrines of men.

And you are claiming that Jesus only reigns because satan is bound.

Jesus reigns because He is God not because satan is bound. Satan isn't Gods equal.