The Council of Nicea vs Another Religion

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robert derrick

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There are two great lies about the Council of Nicea, that the founders of another christian religion later gave as excuse for hijacking the church of Christ to their own rule.

Lie #1: That the leaders at Nicea found it necessary to go outside of Scripture to refute the Arian heresy, because they determined Scripture was 'insufficient' to defend itself alone.

The leaders at Nicea did not, but rather kept to the plain reading of several Scriptures to reject the new and false reading of Arius:

The Word was God and was made flesh (John 1), Jesus Christ is the true God (I John 5), and He and the Father are one (John 10, 17:22)

Arius taught that Jesus was not God, and that Christ was a created being in the body of a man, by reading certain Scriptures with a carnal mind:

The Father is greater than the Son (John 10:29, 14:28), and all power was given to the Son by the Father. (Matthew 28)

Lie #2: That the leaders of Nicea also confirmed for the first time what was Scripture. The writings of the prophets and apostles were not acknowledged as Scripture of God, until they were made as such at Nicea.

I.e. their writings and books were well known, but they were not Scripture of authority of God, until Nicean leaders said so.

They did no such thing. All the writings and books of the prophets and apostles were already fully known by the end of the 1st Century. No one doubted that they were Scripture.

Afterward, many writings and books of other 'outside sources' were offered as Scripture equal to that of the prophets and apostles, and these were all rejected by comparing them to the known Scriptures already in hand.

These outside sources of writings and oral traditions were, and are, the would be false apostles and teachers and antichrists that were warned against by the apostles.

Conclusion: Those that would later found another christian religion, did so by lying about the leaders of Nicea, whose open practice was to rely on scriptures only as the authority and source of God's Word, and entirely sufficient to defend the faith of Jesus against all outside heresies.

These founders outside of the prophets and apostles, then proceeded to justify adding their own outside traditions, unconfirmed by Scripture, to be equal to Scripture for doctrine of God.

Since they supposed themselves to be able to determine what is Scripture, they then authorized themselves to determine what could accompany Scripture:

The puffed-up librarians made a hostile takeover of the authority of God that is found in Scripture only.

To this day, they lie about Scripture, that it is insufficient, not only to defend itself against heresy, but also to 'fully teach' the doctrine of God in Christ Jesus.
 

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Your supposed lies are lies themselves. but then, as usual you provide no evidence for your wild claims.

You said:
All the writings and books of the prophets and apostles were already fully known by the end of the 1st Century. No one doubted that they were Scripture.
That is false.

Dave Armstrong has produced The New Testament Canon & Historical Processes, Read it and learn the truth
 

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Your supposed lies are lies themselves. but then, as usual you provide no evidence for your wild claims.

You said:
All the writings and books of the prophets and apostles were already fully known by the end of the 1st Century. No one doubted that they were Scripture.
That is false.

Dave Armstrong has produced The New Testament Canon & Historical Processes, Read it and learn the truth
Well, if one that rejects Scripture as the source of all God's authority says so, then it must be so.
 

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Your supposed lies are lies themselves. but then, as usual you provide no evidence for your wild claims.

You said:
All the writings and books of the prophets and apostles were already fully known by the end of the 1st Century. No one doubted that they were Scripture.
That is false.

Dave Armstrong has produced The New Testament Canon & Historical Processes, Read it and learn the truth
Peter around 65-70 ad when he wrote his 2nd epistle had confirmed all of Pauls epistles were scripture. Peter also knew his 2 epistles were scripture. So it was known at the time of the Apostles their writings were equal to the OT scriptures. The internal evidence speaks for itself.

hope this helps !!!
 

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Peter around 65-70 ad when he wrote his 2nd epistle had confirmed all of Pauls epistles were scripture. Peter also knew his 2 epistles were scripture. So it was known at the time of the Apostles their writings were equal to the OT scriptures. The internal evidence speaks for itself.

hope this helps !!!
According to scholars 2Peter probably wasn't written by Peter and a more likely date is 100.
Moreover since 2 Peter wasn't finally accepted as Scripture until the late 4th century it cannot be taken as canonising Paul's letters until it itself is accepted as Scripture. Apparently it's canonicity was still disputed at the Council of Nicea in 325.

Dave Armstrong has produced a timeline - The New Testament Canon & Historical Processes, all from Protestant sources.
 

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Somebody said:
According to scholars 2Peter probably wasn't written by Peter and a more likely date is 100.

Good ol' scholarship will remove the truth of Scripture every time.

There are those that live by every word proceeding from God, which is all Scripture inspired of God, and there are those that hold to 'scholars'.

One believes the truth of Scripture and walks after the Spirit, and the other is just another carnal mind at work.

That same somebody also said:
Moreover since 2 Peter wasn't finally accepted as Scripture until the late 4th century it cannot be taken as canonising Paul's letters until it itself is accepted as Scripture. Apparently it's canonicity was still disputed at the Council of Nicea in 325.

No man canonized God's Scriptures. God's Scriptures were in the world so soon as He penned them by His prophets and apostles.

My heart is indicting a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

However, there have been plenty of 'scholars' and librarians that have blasted the Scriptures to smithereens by their bogus canons.

The good leaders of Nicea were not such fools. They knew the Scriptures of God and all His books, from which they argued against the Arian heresy, and by which they rejected other outside writings as Scripture.

Later false leaders came long to speak of 'Canonizing' Scripture and having authority to add other things to Scripture, because Scripture alone wasn't sufficient for them. They knew this, because they were really really great librarians and 'scholars'.
 

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The reason somebody says something like this:
According to scholars 2Peter probably wasn't written by Peter and a more likely date is 100.

Is because they haven't a clue what Scripture is saying. They can't read all the Scripture and see that they are in perfect agreement with one another, without contradiction nor error between them.

They can't identify the authentic, because they don't know what the authentic is, as well as loving the counterfeit more than the authentic.

1st and 2nd Peter are from the same person, because they are Scripture in perfect agreement with one another.

Someone who knows the authentic written Word of God can see it as such, whensoever they read and hear it, and they can likewise spot a phony from a mile away.

Scriptures are God's written Word from Himself, using the prophets and apostles as one pen in His own hand to write with.

Canons are made for the fodder of men to blast away the Scriptures with their 'Most-Sacred' dung pellets:

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ.

'Sacred' traditions without Scripture are the canon fodder of false leaders.
 

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Somebody said:
According to scholars 2Peter probably wasn't written by Peter and a more likely date is 100.

Good ol' scholarship will remove the truth of Scripture every time.

There are those that live by every word proceeding from God, which is all Scripture inspired of God, and there are those that hold to 'scholars'.

One believes the truth of Scripture and walks after the Spirit, and the other is just another carnal mind at work.

That same somebody also said:
Moreover since 2 Peter wasn't finally accepted as Scripture until the late 4th century it cannot be taken as canonising Paul's letters until it itself is accepted as Scripture. Apparently it's canonicity was still disputed at the Council of Nicea in 325.

No man canonized God's Scriptures. God's Scriptures were in the world so soon as He penned them by His prophets and apostles.

My heart is indicting a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

However, there have been plenty of 'scholars' and librarians that have blasted the Scriptures to smithereens by their bogus canons.

The good leaders of Nicea were not such fools. They knew the Scriptures of God and all His books, from which they argued against the Arian heresy, and by which they rejected other outside writings as Scripture.

Later false leaders came long to speak of 'Canonizing' Scripture and having authority to add other things to Scripture, because Scripture alone wasn't sufficient for them. They knew this, because they were really really great librarians and 'scholars'.

The reason somebody says something like this:
According to scholars 2Peter probably wasn't written by Peter and a more likely date is 100.

Is because they haven't a clue what Scripture is saying. They can't read all the Scripture and see that they are in perfect agreement with one another, without contradiction nor error between them.

They can't identify the authentic, because they don't know what the authentic is, as well as loving the counterfeit more than the authentic.

1st and 2nd Peter are from the same person, because they are Scripture in perfect agreement with one another.

Someone who knows the authentic written Word of God can see it as such, whensoever they read and hear it, and they can likewise spot a phony from a mile away.

Scriptures are God's written Word from Himself, using the prophets and apostles as one pen in His own hand to write with.

Canons are made for the fodder of men to blast away the Scriptures with their 'Most-Sacred' dung pellets:

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ.

'Sacred' traditions without Scripture are the canon fodder of false leaders.

More lies.

You are just not interested in the truth.