The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

This is idea brought in of 'seven years of tribulation' is one of the worst deceptions which has led to much confusion about the Second Coming of Christ, which is the deceivers purpose. This false doctrine has come out of strange origin and been spread as a 'new enlightenment' and many people tend to just repeat what they have heard, or pick up unscriptural beliefs from others with no support, or look for something that twists or distorts the truth, and this is what is this false doctrine of a 7 year tribulation. There is not one verse in the entire Bible says their a 7-year Tribulation. Some try to claim Daniel 9:24-27 as teaching this, but unless one comes to this passage already having a predisposed bias, they will not find it there. This false idea is not scriptural and no biblical commentator, no theologian, no church in Christendom had ever taught such a doctrine.
The doctrine basically did not exist before John Darby, and was promoted through the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century and spread from there. But the idea or doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation is simply not mentioned in Daniel 9, and is clearly unscriptural. The idea of a seven year tribulation comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel chapter 9 which is a prophecy about the Messiah, not the antichrist or a seven year tribulation. Here is a great explanation by my buddy palehorse..'There are many theories out there in regards to the 70th Week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The most prevalent one talks about a 7-year tribulation just prior to Christ's second coming. Many believers in the 7-year Tribulation don't know that this belief is rooted in the Daniel 9 prophecy. In fact, one of the most important verses used to support this idea is Dan 9:27, which we will look at along with the entire prophecy. Also, it is from Dan 9:27 that the belief in "The Antichrist" and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple on the temple mount comes from. The series of events outlined in this theory is that 1) there will be a secret rapture that takes all true Christians away leaving others behind, 2) then a 7-year tribulation occurs where those who were not taken in the secret rapture will get a chance to "clean up their act" so that when Christ's public appearance happens they can be judged worthy, 3) during the course of the 7-year tribulation the Antichrist will appear, make a covenant with the Jewish nation, then break that covenant in the middle of the 7 years, then hell walk inside the Jewish temple and declare himself to be God. But is this theory biblically accurate?

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

First, lets read through the entire prophecy so that we get the whole idea first and then well break it down.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

One thing that must be understood first is the a day for a year rule established in Eze 4:6. For every day that is mentioned in this and all other biblical prophecies they are equal to a prophetic year. There is virtually no debate about this point in Christian circles and well find that the rule holds true in this prophecy.

The Timeframe:
The angel Gabriel starts the prophecy by giving a block of time in verse 24, seventy weeks. Seventy weeks is equal to 490 days, or 490 prophetic years. That is our timeframe for this prophecy from beginning to end.

Verse 25 tells us when this timeframe begins, from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem. When did this occur? See Ezra 7; for this is the command where the rebuilding of Jerusalem was actually accomplished and that command was given by Artaxerxes, king of Persia; which occurred in 457 BC. There were two other kings that made similar commands to rebuild Jerusalem but those proved to not be fruitful.

This is the total 70-week block given by Gabriel in verses 25 & 27:
Block 1: 7 Weeks - (49 years) - Starts in 457 BC

Block 2: 62 Weeks - (434 years) - Starts in 408 BC

Block 3: 1 week - (7 years) - Starts in 27 AD

Lets look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous Seven-year Tribulation of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross. (New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.

So we see that this breakdown perfectly follows the prophecy of Daniel 9 and we find that this prophecy was about the coming Messiah (Jesus Christ); history and later books of the Bible verify this.

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

Why do people want to put this last week of the 70 at the end times? There is no biblical reason to do so and it breaks the block of time Gabriel started the prophecy with. Let's ask some further important questions;
Is the antichrist mentioned anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27? No. The "he" mentioned in verse 27 is Christ, not Antichrist, for Christ is the focus of the whole prophecy. Also, we find that only Christ makes covenants in the Bible. Is there any mention of a rebuilding of the Jewish temple? No. Any mention of sacrifices being restarted? No. Any mention of a covenant being broken? No. In fact verse 27 says the opposite, that the covenant would be confirmed. So why do people believe this ridiculous theory that there will be a 7-year tribulation at the end of the world?

Here are 10 reasons why the 70th week of Daniel 9 was actually fulfilled by Christ about 2,000 years ago:
1. Verse 24 defines Seventy weeks as a single block of time.
2. The 70th week must come after the 69th week; else it cant really be called the 70th week.
3. It is illogical and unbiblical to move the last week of this prophecy to the end of the world.
4. The focus of the prophecy is on the Messiah, not the antichrist. Messiah and Christ means anointed one who was anointed during the last week of the prophecy? Jesus Christ!
5. Verse 27 says a covenant is confirmed in the midst of the week, not broken in the midst of the week. Who creates/confirms covenants in the Bible? Christ only! See Romans 15:8 to see that it was Jesus who confirmed the promises made unto the fathers, not antichrist.
6. Verse 27 says he shall confirm the covenant with many. Compare this to Matthew 26:28.
7. Verse 27 says midst of the week (3 ½ years) the sacrifices would cease. When Christ died the temple veil was rent from top to bottom and the Jewish sacrifices ceased. (see Matt 27:51) This was the mark that signified any further sacrifices were of no effect in the sight of God.
8. Verse 27 says he shall make it desolate. Compare this to Matt 23:38. Who left the temple desolate? Christ!
9. The first 3 ½ years of the 70th week Christ ministered only to the Jews the second 3 ½ years the disciples ministered to the Jews; thus the 70th week is finished at this point, 34 AD, not a future time.
10. The disciple Stephan was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin in 34 AD which caused the Gospel to go to the Gentiles.

Further, check out Christs words in Matthew 18:21. 70x7=490 which is the 490 years of the Daniel 9 prophecy!

The second Jewish temple (Herods temple) was destroyed in 70 AD when Jerusalem was ransacked by the Romans under Prince Titus (see Dan 9:26, you'll see a prince shall destroy = Prince Titus). Compare the desolation spoken of in Dan 9:27 to the desolate of Matt 23:38 & Matt 24:13-16. This is the very sign, the destruction of Jerusalem, that Christ was warning the disciples about (see Luke 21:20-22).

Conclusion:
There is no 7-year Tribulation at the end of the world. That teaching comes from a huge mistake resulting in reading much more into a verse than what is actually there. There will be tribulation at the end but it wont be 7 years long for it falls outside of the Daniel 9 prophecy.

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

So what are the ramifications, as many have picked this idea up thinking they will have long indication of the Second Coming, not comprehending how the devil can keep them in bondage as they will be deceived that they have time. This also means that there will be no second chance for salvation as many seem to be counting on. The false 7-year tribulation theory undermines the precept of living by faith for even a non-believer would suddenly change his ways after witnessing millions of people all over the world suddenly vanishing in one day.

Here is a good history of this false doctrine and the reasons behind it...
https://secretsunsealed.org/content/PDF_downloads/futurismsincrediblejourney.pdf

And a excellent video on the issue..

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

Here is a site which although still not all correct on the points, explains how it spread through Darby/Scofield...
"The origin of the rapture theory
Credit for its origin generally goes to John Nelson Darby, a 19th-century theologian...
Darby believed, rightly, that Jesus Christ would return to earth to establish and rule over the Kingdom of God. Darby was a premillennialist...

But in his zeal for countering error, he added another—the rapture theory.
Scofield picks it up
"Darby's pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C.I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible, which was widely distributed in England and America. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically accepted what its footnotes said and adopted the [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history" ("Catholic Answers," http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp).

Both Darby and Scofield claimed that the "day of Christ" refers to the rapture and that "the day of the Lord" refers to the actual second coming several years after the rapture....
The heart of the case offered by Darby, Scofield and their modern counterparts is based upon the English words "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Thin proof
For such a seemingly major doctrine, one might expect a weighty argument, but this is what is offered in The Scofield Bible's Reference Notes (1917 Edition): "...'caught up'—Not church saints only, but all bodies of the saved [that is, not only the living, but also the dead], of whatever dispensation, are included in the first resurrection... [It] is peculiarly the 'blessed hope' of the Church (cf) Matthew 24:42; 25:13; Luke 12:36-48; Acts 1:11; Philippians 3:20, 21; Titus 2:11-13."

This offers surprisingly little information, considering how many accept the rapture doctrine based upon these notes. Additionally, all of the references he cited are about Christ's return and the believer's need to be ready for that event. None of them speak of a "near return" by Christ to snatch away believers."

The Rapture: A Popular but False Doctrine

The rapture, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. You need to know what the Bible actually says!

www.ucg.org

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

And many others are clear on the truth on this...
"Here’s the 70th week of Daniel, as fulfilled by Jesus Christ from 27-34 A.D.:

It starts with Jesus beginning His ministry of confirming the Abrahamic covenant.

For 3.5 years, Jesus and His disciples ministered to the House of Israel.

Midway, Jesus was crucified for our sins, ending the need for Jewish temple sacrifices.

For 3.5 years, Jesus disciples ministered to the House of Judah. Some Jews accepted Jesus as their Messiah, but most rejected Him and persecuted His disciples.

At the end of the 7 years, Stephen was stoned to death by the Jewish leaders, finalizing their rejection of Jesus New Covenant.

..."Daniel 70th Week Jesus Christ vs. Antichrist

And where the error and deception came from

"The Origins of the Pretribulation Rapture Theory

The pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology, with its roots in the 19th century. John Nelson Darby, a British evangelist and influential figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement, is often credited with popularizing this idea. Darby’s teachings, along with the widespread distribution of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century, helped to promote the pretribulation rapture theory among Christians in the United States and beyond.

Biblical Evidence Against the Pretribulation Rapture

Although proponents of the pretribulation rapture theory claim that their beliefs are rooted in Scripture, a closer examination of the Bible reveals that there is no clear evidence to support this idea. In fact, several passages suggest that believers will face tribulation and difficulties before being gathered to Christ"

The Pretribulation Rapture: A False Doctrine Born from Deception

mdcreekmore.com

Randy Kluth · Dec 4, 2023

Hobie said:
This is idea brought in of 'seven years of tribulation' is one of the worst deceptions which has led to much confusion about the Second Coming of Christ, which is the deceivers purpose. This false doctrine has come out of strange origin and been spread as a 'new enlightenment' and many people tend to just repeat what they have heard, or pick up unscriptural beliefs from others with no support, or look for something that twists or distorts the truth, and this is what is this false doctrine of a 7 year tribulation. There is not one verse in the entire Bible says their a 7-year Tribulation. Some try to claim Daniel 9:24-27 as teaching this, but unless one comes to this passage already having a predisposed bias, they will not find it there. This false idea is not scriptural and no biblical commentator, no theologian, no church in Christendom had ever taught such a doctrine.

Irenaeus in Against Heresies Book 5 Ch. 25 he states belief in a future 70th Week of Daniel, which in the midst of the Week is violated by Antichrist. I don't agree with him, but he is among the very few early Church Fathers who held to such a view.

Hobie said:
The doctrine basically did not exist before John Darby, and was promoted through the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century and spread from there.

Darby likely got his Gap Theory view of Daniel's 70 Weeks from Irenaeus and Hippolytus. But I'm not sure.

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

Randy Kluth said:
Irenaeus in Against Heresies Book 5 Ch. 25 he states belief in a future 70th Week of Daniel, which in the midst of the Week is violated by Antichrist. I don't agree with him, but he is among the very few early Church Fathers who held to such a view.

Darby likely got his Gap Theory view of Daniel's 70 Weeks from Irenaeus and Hippolytus. But I'm not sure.

Well, we dont have anything for sure, except the fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830. All attempts to find evidence of this doctrine before 1830 have not found much, with a one exception. Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he kind of confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However his ideas, which Edwards admitted were not based on others and never before taught, had no influence in the modern views or doctrine.

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

Well at least you can see where Darbys idea popped up at, and that its a false doctrine, others seem to have some theories, but nothing came out of it. We have to go through the prophecies given and what is a key to understanding is the day-year principle in prophecy, where a year was held to account for each day. One thing we have to take into account is that in ancient times the year was held to be at 360 days. The fact that the prophets understood a year as 360 days is well attested, and can be seen in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation which are based on the 360 day Jewish year.

The fact that a day can signify a year is of crucial importance in the study of Bible Prophecy. This view was recognized by the Jews as seen in Daniel 9:24-27, and as seen in Jesus' use of the day-year principle in Luke 13, and in the early church. The Reformers and many others, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, John Wycliffe, John Knox, William Tyndale, Phillip Melanchthon, John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, understood this to name just a few.

Looking at the prophecy in Daniel 9 in which its clear that seventy literal weeks would not be enough time to accomplish all the things mentioned as having to transpire within the scope of Daniel's 70 weeks vision. So most Biblical scholars view the seventy weeks of Daniel 9:24-27, as symbolic years or the prophetic year which is the day equals a year.

Daniel 9:24-27
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now if you look at the prophecy of seventy weeks in Daniel chapter 9, the 490 years is an uninterrupted period starting from "the time the word goes out to rebuild and restore Jerusalem," of Daniel 9:25 and ending 3½ years after Jesus' death. The starting point identified with a decree by Artaxerxes I in 458/7 BC to provide money to rebuild Jerusalem and its temple. The appearance of "Messiah the Prince" at the end of the 69 weeks (483 years) is aligned with Jesus' baptism in 27 AD. The 'cutting off' of the "anointed one" is applied to the Jesus' execution 3½ years after the end of the 483 years, bringing "atonement for iniquity" and "everlasting righteousness". Jesus' death is said to 'confirm' the "covenant" between God and mankind by in 31 AD "in the midst of" the last seven years. The end of the 70th week is associated with 34 AD when the gospel was redirected from only the Jews to all peoples.

The early church and the precursors to the Reformation used historicism, including Jerome in his 'Commentary on Daniel' and Protestant Reformers were interested in historicism and the day-year principle, and used it for the prophecies in the Bible for the events that had come and were to come. It was prevalent in Wycliffe's writings and taught by Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, and Sir Isaac Newton and many others...

Hobie · Dec 4, 2023

Hmm, here is good explanation on this false doctrine, and also show a list of some of the Reformers...
"SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION
First, there is no biblical evidence for a seven-year period of tribulation following Jesus’ return to Earth. And the Bible is clear that when Jesus returns, every person’s eternal fate has been decided; individuals who are lost will not have a second chance to be saved. Jesus says, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work” (Revelation 22:12, NKJV). The Bible presents Jesus’ second coming as the great climactic event of the ages when men and women are either saved or lost for eternity. There is no seven-year period to reconsider our lives and change our destiny. Jesus pictured the separation that will take place at His coming between the righteous and the wicked—the saved and the lost—in these words: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world’ . . . Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels’ ” (Matthew 25:31-34, 41, NKJV).

That is not to say there will not be a tribulation. The Bible does certainly foretell of a soon coming “time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time” before Jesus’ return (Daniel 12:1). However, does Scripture support the interpretation that Christian believers will be raptured, and taken away from the tribulation, leaving only the wicked?

Jesus doesn’t leave us in the dark and sheds light on the event that will be like none other before it. “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (Matthew 24:21-22).

ARE THE ELECT RAPTURED BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?
One must question, if the “elect,” or God’s people, are raptured before “the great tribulation,” why would they need the days “shortened?” Actually, all throughout the Bible, we are given examples of God’s people being saved in the middle of tribulations, not being saved before it.

When the Israelites were captive in Egypt, God preserved them in the midst of the plagues that devastated Egypt. Just as Israel was delivered from Egyptian bondage after the plagues, so God's church will be protected through the plagues and be delivered from the hand of the oppressor (1 Corinthians 10:11; Psalm 91; Psalm 46).
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego entered the flames when they refused to yield to the universal death decree of Babylon's King. Their death-defying faith forced them to face the flames of tribulation, and in those flames God miraculously delivered them (Daniel 3:16-28).
Daniel’s decision to be faithful in his daily prayers caused him to be tossed into the lion’s den. God saved Daniel while he was going through tribulation, not before it came (Daniel 6).

Similarly, right before Christ returns, the faithfulness of the elect will cause them to be the target of the ungodly, bringing about a time of persecution and great tribulation. However, just as throughout all of Biblical history, God preserves His elect. The same Jesus that was with the Hebrew men in the fire and lion’s den, will go with us through our trials. When the last day judgments are poured out on the world, God will shield those who follow Him with all their heart and mind.

HOW OLD IS THE RAPTURE THEORY?
Historically, the belief in the secret rapture is relatively new. Many of the notable Christian leaders of the faith understood from the Bible that Christ’s coming would be a literal, audible, glorious event for God’s persecuted people who would be raptured after they endured the great tribulation brought about by the antichrist including:

John Bunyan, John Calvin, Adam Clarke, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finney, Matthew Henry, John Huss, John Knox, Hugh Latimer, C.S. Lewis, Martin Luther, D.L. Moody, George Mueller, Sir Isaac Newton, John Newton, Charles Spurgeon, William Tyndale, Isaac Watts, Charles Wesley, John Wesley, George Whitefield, William Wilberforce, John Wycliffe, Ulrich Zwingli, and many others."...https://klc.adventistafrica.org/bibleinfo_questions/what-does-bible-teach-about-secret-rapture

Hobie · Dec 5, 2023

This idea of a 'future' Antichrist, is brought in by those who want to point away from the Antichrist power that has been persecuting, wiping out from the time of the Roman Empires fall and changing what Christ set up in the early church, and that the Reformers pointed to. Martin Luther was clear as to who this was, in one of the books that book that he illustrated on Revelation, he put woodcuts, "because Revelation allowed him to make one of his central points, which was that the papacy was the Antichrist, and the end of the world was coming. And so there you see the only woodcuts in the New Testament. You see the whore of Babylon wearing a papal crown. You see the seven-headed beast wearing a papal crown. The message was clear. You didn't have to read (as most people didn't). You got the message. The papacy, the papal office--not the individual popes but the papal Church--was where Satan was working to undermine Christendom." Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

It is false teaching to say Daniel's 70th week is at the end, as it clearly cannot be the time of the Second Coming as it pointed to when Christ would come and suffer at the cross. The Reformers and Protestants have correctly regarded the pope as Antichrist, and nothing has changed except now the apostate power has put itself as not only a religious power, but on every level of society, with its true purpose well hidden, and spread its narrative of a 'future antichrist'. But it will show its full self when it joins with the evil forces against Christ at the end, but then it will be too late for Christians and in fact anyone to decide who to follow.

Now, one falsehood begats another as we then get the false doctrine of 'Dispensational Premillennialism' which Christians have been exposed to in many forms, which also puts across this '7 year tribulation' lie. This idea of 'Dispensational Premillennialism' goes like this: The second coming of Christ will take place in two phases. In the first phase, Jesus will supposedly return in a 'secret rapture' and all the true believers will disappear with no one seeing Christ come. Then after '7 years of tribulation' he will come back, even though the Bible is clear that none no the time nor the hour for the coming of Christ, and now Christ sets up his kingdom. This is just not true, as a secret rapture and an invisible coming of Christ before His true second coming are unscriptural and force people to twisting the words of the Bible or just making up basically lies to prove their idea, it just isnt there

Randy Kluth · Dec 5, 2023

Hobie said:
, we dont have anything for sure, except the fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830. All attempts to find evidence of this doctrine before 1830 have not found much, with a one exception. Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he kind of confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However his idea, which Edwards admitted were not based on others and never before taught, had no influence in the modern views or doctrine.

There were a few ideas predating Darby about a Coming of Christ for the Church that preceded the Last Day. But I think most of them were merely to show that Christ's Coming spared the Church judgments reserved only for the wicked--something we would all agree with.

Most of them were not "pre-Tribulation" scenarios as much as "pre-Wrath" scenarios, as such. Darby made the "Tribulation Period" into a period of Divine wrath, to be avoided by Christians.

Darby produced an actual school of eschatology indicating these things. The unbelieving Jewish People had long been distinguished in Christian writings from the International Church. But belief in their restoration as a distinct nation faded very early in Church history.

Darby helped to restore this brand of Futurism and made the "Tribulation Period" the culminating moment in resolving these things. The Church would be delivered from God's Wrath while Israel would go through a period of refinement, prior to national Salvation.
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quietthinker · Dec 5, 2023