The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Rightglory]

Let me make it simple - you have to start from the beginning and where does it start?With Satan and the forbidden fruit and how he condemned all of humanity to hell for any sin.His victory over God.The fallen angels do not want humans in heaven.Jesus came to restore humanity back to the father and heaven and he did this by dying for every last one of your sins on the cross in the sacrifice he made.You have done absolutely nothing to be saved you cannot earn it you cannot purchase it nor can you raise yourself up. You are saved completely by the grace of God which is offered to all.Interpretation doesn't save you and some will say Satan won and Jesus could only save very few souls.I remind you Jesus was victorious in what he came to do he did not fail as some would claim.That is the message you should be preaching not damnation.

 

[Rightglory]

Let me make it simple - you have to start from the beginning and where does it start?With Satan and the forbidden fruit and how he condemned all of humanity to hell for any sin.

Where in scripture does it say Satan condemned all of humanity to hell?

His victory over God.The fallen angels do not want humans in heaven.Jesus came to restore humanity back to the father and heaven and he did this by dying for every last one of your sins on the cross in the sacrifice he made

He did this but He did a lot more. If it was only His sacrifice for sin we would all still be lost.

.You have done absolutely nothing to be saved you cannot earn it you cannot purchase it nor can you raise yourself up. You are saved completely by the grace of God

This is true. His work was completely objective. BUT

which is offered to all

His objective work is not what is offered. Because of His reconciliation of the world, He can now offer to individual man a choice of being in union with Him or reject Him.

.Interpretation doesn't save you and some will say Satan won and Jesus could only save very few souls.I remind you Jesus was victorious in what he came to do he did not fail as some would claim.That is the message you should be preaching not damnation.

Christ's reconciliation saved the world from death and His sacrifice for sin was for the world. But Only those that believe on His Name, confess their sins will He accept. That is the Gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Let me make it simple - you have to start from the beginning and where does it start?With Satan and the forbidden fruit and how he condemned all of humanity to hell for any sin.His victory over God.The fallen angels do not want humans in heaven.Jesus came to restore humanity back to the father and heaven and he did this by dying for every last one of your sins on the cross in the sacrifice he made.You have done absolutely nothing to be saved you cannot earn it you cannot purchase it nor can you raise yourself up. You are saved completely by the grace of God which is offered to all.Interpretation doesn't save you and some will say Satan won and Jesus could only save very few souls.I remind you Jesus was victorious in what he came to do he did not fail as some would claim.That is the message you should be preaching not damnation.

This is garbage, Those for whom Christ died are reconciled to God while enemies, and shall be saved by His Life. And that doesnt apply to them who shall perish

 

[PGS11]

Its exactly what the bible says let see you save yourself through interpretation and your doctrine of damnation for everyone else. These people think they save themselves by what they do not by the sacrifice Jesus made.You preach that God lost to Satan and Jesus was almost completely useless. I preach the opposite.You preach your saved by what you do and what you believe total hog wash good luck with that.I'm on a christian forum so I assume all have faith or why would you be here.You bring fear I bring the good news.F

 

[brightfame52]

Why are they reconciled while being enemies?

The reason why sinners Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies Rom 5:10 is because of the efficacy of His Death/Blood before God. Now in themselves by nature they are alienated by wicked works, However the Value of Christ Death prevails over that with God. Now the reason why religionists don't receive the love of the Truth, it's because they don't have a regard for the efficacy of Christ death/Blood as God does, which is very disrespectful and dishonoring to God and Christ. 21

 

[brightfame52]

Reconciled and alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord !

The Elect those Christ lived and died for, are reconciled to God, put into a right relationship with Him, saved from their sins, the penalty of sin, while they are enemies, unbelievers, even while hating God Rom 5:10. Now how can this be ? How can wretched, rebellious sinners possibly in a right favorable relationship with God, as if they have never sinned ? Its because of the death of Christ for them, and its because they are in Christ their Head. Folks all for whom Christ died are in Him, or He could not have died for them, neither could have their sins been legally charged to Him, if they weren't in Him ! Now just as Christ died unto sin for them, and was raised to live unto God Rom 6:9-10

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin [for His Sheep] once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God[for his Sheep].

So those He lived and died for, and was raised up for, when He was made alive unto God[after death], so they also are made alive unto God through or in Him Rom 6:11

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The greek word through here is en, in, on, among.

[ (a preposition) – properly, with"in the realm (sphere) of," as in the condition (state) which something operates from the inside (with

They are alive unto God in their Head the Lord Jesus Christ. Its the same principle as when the Elect were alive unto God in Adam before the fall. Man was in a state of friendship/fellowship with God, in Adam the first before the transgression, likewise redeemed man is alive and reconciled to God, while being enemies, in Jesus Christ their Lord. They are just as alive to God in Christ as Christ is alive unto God, as their Surety Head so that is why the elect are reconciled to God, even while enemies ! 21

 

[brightfame52]

Reconciled to God apart from conditions performed by the reconciled !

This is a Truth the religion of man cannot receive, its foolishness to the religion of man 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated. AMP

Now how is it we know for sure that God has been reconciled to man, and man to God without man performing any conditions whatsoever ? Simple, Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Tis because they were enemies when this reconciliation was made ! It was made by the Death of Christ, not by any conditions performed by them.22

 

[brightfame52]

Reconciliation while enemies consist of Non Imputation of Sin !

Now Rom 5:10 teaches, confirms limited reconciliation/atonement by many ways, and one way is the Grand Fact that Reconciliation inheres with the non imputation of sin. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now we know that this fact doesnt apply to all without exception, for we read of the people of the beast this Rev 18:4-6

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

The Reconciled People have this promise Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more 22

 

[JBO]

Reconciliation while enemies consist of Non Imputation of Sin !

There is no such thing as non-imputation of sin. Where you could even imagine such a thing is ludicrous. There is forgiveness of sin, but even that is not non-imputation of sin. If you believe that, then that is perhaps why you are so wrong on all of your thinking about reconciliation.

Now Rom 5:10 teaches, confirms limited reconciliation/atonement by many ways, and one way is the Grand Fact that Reconciliation inheres with the non imputation of sin. 2 Cor 5:19

It does no such thing. Just another grossly inappropriate interpretation. Any and all limited reconciliation/atonement is due to disbelief/unbelief of the individual; it is definitely not due to any limitation imposed by God.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

That says it all.

 

[brightfame52]

@JBO

There is no such thing as non-imputation of sin.

Let me stop you right there, but it is such a Truth,

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[JBO]

@JBO


Let me stop you right there, but it is such a Truth,

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Both really poor interpretations give by the KJV. Better intepretations are found in better translations such as the ESV,

2Co 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
Rom 4:8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin."

The theological meaning of "impute" is generally taken to mean to attribute righteousness or guilt vicariously; that is to ascribe to one as derived from another. Thus for example, the typical meaning of original sin is the sin of Adam imputed to all mankind. (Of course that is a false doctrine since the sins of one person are never imputed to another.) Also, in God's act of forgiveness He justifies; that is, He imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to the one justified.

In God's forgiveness, the sins are not taken away. They have been committed; they exist never to be eliminated. However, they are forgiven and not counted against the one who sinned.

 

[brightfame52]

Both really poor interpretations give by the KJV. Better intepretations are found in better translations such as the ESV,

2Co 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
Rom 4:8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin."

The theological meaning of "impute" is generally taken to mean to attribute righteousness or guilt vicariously; that is to ascribe to one as derived from another. Thus for example, the typical meaning of original sin is the sin of Adam imputed to all mankind. (Of course that is a false doctrine since the sins of one person are never imputed to another.) Also, in God's act of forgiveness He justifies; that is, He imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to the one justified.

In God's forgiveness, the sins are not taken away. They have been committed; they exist never to be eliminated. However, they are forgiven and not counted against the one who sinned.

Show you a truth with scripture and you deny it.

 

[JBO]

Show you a truth with scripture and you deny it.

But you didn't and I showed you why you didn't.

 

[brightfame52]

But you didn't and I showed you why you didn't.

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

 

[brightfame52]

Objective Reconciliation first !

All of Gods Elect, or Sheep, or the Church of God had been objectively reconciled to God when they were still yet being enemies. This blessing of reconciliation is not by faith, its not because of believing, but its accomplished by the death of Christ Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. The alienation between the elect and God they have by nature See Col 1:21 has been removed objectively by the death of Christ. They shall at some point however be reconciled subjectively by the life of Christ when He quickens them with new life.

The Elect are reconciled to God objectively in Christ their Head who is reconciled to God subjectively after having been forsaken of God when He bare the curse of the Law for them Gal 3:13. Its like when the elect were in a right relationship at the first when yet in the loins of Adam before he sinned, so likewise the elect are in a objectively right relationship of reconciliation in Christ with God before they believe and are yet born enemies !

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