The Gospel

[David Lamb]

The Angel of Exodus 23:20 is Yohannei the Immerser according to the Meshiah himself in all three synoptic Gospel accounts.

Matthew 11:10 ASV
10 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way before thee.

Matthew 11:10 N/A-W/H
10 ουτος εστιν περι ου γεγραπται ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ος κατασκευασει την οδον σου εμπροσθεν σου

Exodus 23:20 OG LXX
20 και ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ινα φυλαξη σε εν τη οδω οπως εισαγαγη σε εις την γην ην ητοιμασα σοι

The highlighted statements from Mat 11:10 and Exo 23:20 LXX are identical, verbatim, word for word, as though the statement in Matthew was lifted straight out of the LXX-Septuagint. The phrase does not match Mal 3:1, the only question is why the modern commentators feel such a need to lie about it when some of them even admit that they see where it actually comes from.

Mat 11:10 ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου
Exo 23:20 ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου

The problem is that extremely few people actually believe what the Master says in the very same passage.

Matthew 11:13-15
13 For all the prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohannei:
14 And if you are willing to receive it, this is Eliyah who is about to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Your usage of the name "Yaweh" reveals that you do not understand the Tetragrammaton Name. The four consonants are very similar to the nomina sacra in the Uncial Greek N/T manuscripts. The full name is neither four consonants, nor six letters with your chosen vowels, and it perfectly describes who the Father is, even the one "person" that He was and is and shall be.

If by "Yohannei the Immerser" you mean the same person most of us who speak English call "John the Baptist" or "John the Baptiser," do you believe that he was somehow alive at the time referred to in Exodus 23?

 

[dak]

If by "Yohannei the Immerser" you mean the same person most of us who speak English call "John the Baptist" or "John the Baptiser," do you believe that he was somehow alive at the time referred to in Exodus 23?

Why would that need to be the case if all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohannei? The problem is merely translator preference because in both Hebrew and in Greek the words for angel and messenger are the same, (malak and aggelos/angelos respectively). Moreover the fact that the Master says that all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohannei has a huge impact on doctrine, if anyone will simply believe what he says, for it means that the Torah was not even fully operational until he, the Meshiah, had come and fully expounded it, which is exactly the reason the whole nation at that time were so eager for his arrival. That was what everyone believed Meshiah was coming to do: to expound the Torah in a new way in which the people could understand it and begin to walk in that new way pleasing to the Father. However it's also true that many wanted a deliverer in the form of a political warrior-savior, (same as the Judas betrayer type), and thus rejected him.

No, I do not believe what you've asked: the Torah is prophesying in that passage, and according to the Meshiah, Yohannei the Immerser, (a.k.a. Baptist), is the fulfillment.

 

[newnature]

Yes, I am familiar with wisdom writings, and certainly Proverbs: what you are missing is that the Torah is full of Logos, which is only understood from the Logic of the Father within the context of the Rhema spoken/written Word. The Logos is the one and only one-of-a-kind Son of the Father and the Torah is full of Logos and the Wisdom of the Father. The Wisdom is so deep that you appear not to have even scratched the surface and rather made up some mystical form which justifies your position against the Torah.

John 1:1-18, John is claiming, that to really understand who Jesus is, we need to start way, way back in the beginning and what was God doing is the beginning? God was speaking his creative word into the darkness. Words like, let there be light, let the dry land appear, let plants grow. Picture a king, who can get things done, just by speaking a word, that’s how God speaks in Genesis chapter 1, ten times. Each word turns the dark chaos into an ordered cosmos, that is full of life. A person’s word is their word, because it embodies their thoughts, but as it goes out from them, it becomes separate. It’s this idea that John explores next, notice how John has designed this opening statement, the Word’s eternal nature, he’s from the beginning and then, the Word’s identity. The Word is both with God and is God, they’re two and also one.

John 1:3-5, creation began with God bringing light into darkness and now, with the coming of Jesus, God’s beginning a new creation. John 1:6-8, John the Baptizer was preparing Israel for someone new, that God was going to do, by bearing witness to Jesus, when he arrived. John 1:9-13, John explores the choice people face, when God’s light enters the world through Jesus. Some choose to stay in the dark, but others enter the light and are recreated-reborn-as new kinds of humans. John 1:14, the eternal Word of God, entered into creation by becoming a mortal human, named Jesus and he dwelt among us. The Greek word for “dwelt” is “skaynein,” it means to live in a tent. John is comparing Jesus to the sacred tabernacle that Moses built at Mount Sinai, the place where God’s glorious presence came to live and unite with his people, Jesus is a human tabernacle. Jesus is the reality to which the tabernacle pointed, the place where God and humanity are united as one.

John 1:15, John tells about how he and his friends actually met Jesus and how they made the choice to follow and trust him and so we’re transformed by his light. John 1:16-17, John was an Israelite, part of the family that received through Moses the generous gift of the Torah that shared God’s Word and Wisdom and now through Jesus, John and his fellow Israelites have received the ultimate gift of God’s truth and love, Jesus himself. John concludes the prologue with words that echo the opening lines, on the one hand, God is transcendent and above all, but then John starts talking about this one and only God, who’s in the lap of the Father. In the prologue opening, John used the image of God and God’s world, now he uses another image of a father whose son is sitting really close. A king and his word, a father and his son, they’re both ways of saying the same thing. John 1:18, John wants to make clear, that the Jesus he knew, was both distinct from God and also God, and as God’s word and son and light and glory, Jesus came to make known. To make known what? John leaves the sentence open, it’s John’s invitation to keep reading the story.

 

[David Lamb]

Why would that need to be the case if all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohannei? The problem is merely translator preference because in both Hebrew and in Greek the words for angel and messenger are the same, (malak and aggelos/angelos respectively). Moreover the fact that the Master says that all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohannei has a huge impact on doctrine, if anyone will simply believe what he says, for it means that the Torah was not even fully operational until he, the Meshiah, had come and fully expounded it, which is exactly the reason the whole nation at that time were so eager for his arrival. That was what everyone believed Meshiah was coming to do: to expound the Torah in a new way in which the people could understand it and begin to walk in that new way pleasing to the Father. However it's also true that many wanted a deliverer in the form of a political warrior-savior, (same as the Judas betrayer type), and thus rejected him.

No, I do not believe what you've asked: the Torah is prophesying in that passage, and according to the Meshiah, Yohannei the Immerser, (a.k.a. Baptist), is the fulfillment.

But Exodus 23:20 says:

““Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.” (Ex 23:20 NKJV)

The words are to the Children of Israel on their way to the Promised Land. God promised that He would send an angel or messenger to lead them there. How can it have been John the Baptist? But perhaps you just meant what you say in your final sentence, that John was the fulfilment of the angel that led the Israelites,

 

[dak]

John 1:1-18, John is claiming, that to really understand who Jesus is, we need to start way, way back in the beginning and what was God doing is the beginning? God was speaking his creative word into the darkness. Words like, let there be light, let the dry land appear, let plants grow. Picture a king, who can get things done, just by speaking a word, that’s how God speaks in Genesis chapter 1, ten times.

Post the scripture where Yohannei or anyone else says that "Jesus is the Logos". Otherwise you have assumed too much. Moreover I do not buy into the rabbinical claim that there are ten words in the opening creation account: there are clearly seven, and each spoken word of the creation is arranged within its own yom, which is one hour, and thus the seven yamim in a yom which constitute the sacred calendar day.

Each word turns the dark chaos into an ordered cosmos, that is full of life. A person’s word is their word,

Why therefore do you not recognize this fact in your dogma? The Logos is the Word of the Father, the "Person" of the Father, the Father's own intellectual PROPERTY, even His Spirit because testimony is spirit and the Torah is Testimony of the Father.

A person’s word is their word, because it embodies their thoughts, but as it goes out from them, it becomes separate. It’s this idea that John explores next,

Bad comparison: now you have made the Father into an anthropomorphic being such as like humans.

 

[dak]

But Exodus 23:20 says:

““Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.” (Ex 23:20 NKJV)

The words are to the Children of Israel on their way to the Promised Land. God promised that He would send an angel or messenger to lead them there. How ca it have been John the Baptist? But perhaps you just meant what you say in you final sentence, that John was the fulfilment of the angel that led the Israelites,

The only ones who actually entered the land were Yhoshua, Kaleb, and the sons and daughters of the people who knew not evil. The rest of the people were rebellious and died off in the wilderness. Mosheh's entrance into the land was put on hold until the arrival of the Malak of Exodus 23:20. The fact that the Most High says that His Name is in that Malak surely means that the Malak is Eliyah, for that name is El+Yah, and thus, if anyone will receive it, Yohannei is for all intents and purposes Eliyah because when the Malak Gabriel foretells his birth, he says that Yohannei will be full of the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb, and will go before the Most High in the spirit and power of Eliyah, (Luke 1:11-17).

Therefore Malachi 3:1 does also speak of Yohannei, but Mal 3:1 simply isn't the origin of the quote in Mat 11:10 and it's companion passages in the other accounts: Yohannei would of course be the first Malak in Mal 3:1, the forerunner, and the second one who is called Malak is the Malak of the covenant, (I'm pretty sure you already know these things, but I am trying to be as clear as possible).

When and where does Mosheh finally appear in the land? That would be at the transfiguration. Who brought Mosheh into the land? Who is with Mosheh appearing in glory in the vision? Is it Eliyah, or Yohannei, or both? The contexts of the three synoptic companion passages allow for several possible answers.

No doubt the Torah in Exodus 23:20 is prophesying.
"For we know that the Torah is spiritual"... Rom 7:14a.

 

[XtraPercept]

Aside from some curious misspellings, well put. I concur with you, albeit you don't seem to recognize the full depth of some of your word choices and phrasings.

It is difficult to see past religion from within it, but it's how Paul pointed out that Abraham had it before the Israelites were using it to claim their own self-righteousness for misunderstanding what it meant.

It is impossible to see truth while clinging insistently to a lie for whatever appeal one thinks a lie might hold. It is delusional to believe slander and yet so few are willing to look up the meaning of a word.

So your words ring hollow for the religion of them, the restrictions of the meanings they truly contain as confined by the walls of doctrine and a dirty conscience. The truth is plain and simple, yet magnificent in breadth, depth and scale.

Keep digging and you may yet find it.

 

[newnature]

Post the scripture where Yohannei or anyone else says that "Jesus is the Logos". Otherwise you have assumed too much. Moreover I do not buy into the rabbinical claim that there are ten words in the opening creation account: there are clearly seven, and each spoken word of the creation is arranged within its own yom, which is one hour, and thus the seven yamim in a yom which constitute the sacred calendar day.



Why therefore do you not recognize this fact in your dogma? The Logos is the Word of the Father, the "Person" of the Father, the Father's own intellectual PROPERTY, even His Spirit because testimony is spirit and the Torah is Testimony of the Father.



Bad comparison: now you have made the Father into an anthropomorphic being such as like humans.

Now, Paul and some of the other New Testament writers, what are they constantly talking about? That righteousness doesn’t come by the law. It comes by this person, Jesus. That person, that second person right there is God, he is wisdom, he is the word, he is the angel, all these things that we associate with embodied deity in the Old Testament. So you can see that the conflict is transparent, it’s Christ and the Law. Which wisdom is it? Which word is it? Is it this person, Jesus of Nazareth, or is it the Torah? Jesus says, I didn’t come to do away with the Torah, I came to fulfill it. Jesus is the embodiment of it. The New Testament writers, wisdom is an equation pushing the Torah aside, the Torah is not the co-creator. The Torah is not God’s answer for everything, wisdom is, but wisdom is Jesus.

 

[dak]

Now, Paul and some of the other New Testament writers, what are they constantly talking about? That righteousness doesn’t come by the law. It comes by this person, Jesus. That person, that second person right there is God, he is wisdom, he is the word, he is the angel, all these things that we associate with embodied deity in the Old Testament. So you can see that the conflict is transparent, it’s Christ and the Law. Which wisdom is it? Which word is it? Is it this person, Jesus of Nazareth, or is it the Torah? Jesus says, I didn’t come to do away with the Torah, I came to fulfill it. Jesus is the embodiment of it. The New Testament writers, wisdom is an equation pushing the Torah aside, the Torah is not the co-creator. The Torah is not God’s answer for everything, wisdom is, but wisdom is Jesus.

Christ = Meshiah = Anointed One.

If only you are willing to follow the plain simple logic, the following is what the Meshiah, (or Christ), teaches about the Logos, despite your unfounded interpretation, (obviously you were not able to produce any scripture stating that "Jesus is the Logos" because we all know it does not exist, moreover it does not exist for a good reason: it's false).

This is my little Creed from the Gospel of Yohannei, (a.k.a. John), and following after the Creed below, concerning what the following bold, plain, emphatic statements from the Meshiah compel me to logically conclude by simply believing every word.

John 5:22
22 for the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 8:15
15 You judge after the flesh: I judge no one.

John 8:50
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is One who seeks out and judges.

John 12:47-50
47 And if anyone hears my words, (rhema), and believes not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save-deliver the world.
48 The one rejecting me, and receiving not my words, (rhema), has One that judges him: the Logos that I have spoken, that One* (He) shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself: but the Father who sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His commandment is life eternal: whatsoever therefore I speak, even as the Father has said unto me, so I speak.

* "that One" = G1565 εκεινος ~ literally that one or that thing, which some minimalize by rendering it here as he, or the same, (while others even go so far as to omit this word entirely for rather obvious reasons).

The basic flow of the logic in the above emphatic statements of the Meshiah is easy to see:

The Father judges no one, (John 5:22).
The Father has committed all judgement unto the Son, (John 5:22).
The Meshiah himself, (the Christos, or Anointed One), judges no one, (John 8:15, John 8:50, John 12:47).
The Logos which the Meshiah has spoken: that One alone is the Judge, (John 12:48).

Therefore:

The Father is not the Judge, (John 5:22).
The Son is the only Judge, (John 5:22).
The Meshiah himself says that he is not the Judge, (John 8:15, John 8:50, John 12:47)
The Logos spoken through the Meshiah which the Father gave to him is the only Judge, (John 12:48-50).
The Meshiah cannot be the eternal Logos Son, the Word, who is ever in the bosom of the Father, (John 1:18).

My Little Creed From the Meshiah Himself

This is my little Creed from the Gospel of Yohannei, (a.k.a. John), and following below the Creed, concerning what the following bold, plain, emphatic statements from the Meshiah compel me to logically conclude by simply believing every word. John 5:22 22 for the Father judges no one, but has...

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[Wick Stick]

The Angel of Exodus 23:20 is Yohannei the Immerser according to the Meshiah himself in all three synoptic Gospel accounts.

Matthew 11:10 ASV
10 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way before thee.

Matthew 11:10 N/A-W/H
10 ουτος εστιν περι ου γεγραπται ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ος κατασκευασει την οδον σου εμπροσθεν σου

Exodus 23:20 OG LXX
20 και ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ινα φυλαξη σε εν τη οδω οπως εισαγαγη σε εις την γην ην ητοιμασα σοι

The highlighted statements from Mat 11:10 and Exo 23:20 LXX are identical, verbatim, word for word, as though the statement in Matthew was lifted straight out of the LXX-Septuagint. The phrase does not match Mal 3:1, the only question is why the modern commentators feel such a need to lie about it when some of them even admit that they see where it actually comes from.

Mat 11:10 ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου
Exo 23:20 ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου

The problem is that extremely few people actually believe what the Master says in the very same passage.

Matthew 11:13-15
13 For all the prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohannei:
14 And if you are willing to receive it, this is Eliyah who is about to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Your usage of the name "Yaweh" reveals that you do not understand the Tetragrammaton Name. The four consonants are very similar to the nomina sacra in the Uncial Greek N/T manuscripts. The full name is neither four consonants, nor six letters with your chosen vowels, and it perfectly describes who the Father is, even the one "person" that He was and is and shall be.

I learned something today. That doesn't happen often anymore

 

[newnature]

Christ = Meshiah = Anointed One.

If only you are willing to follow the plain simple logic, the following is what the Meshiah, (or Christ), teaches about the Logos, despite your unfounded interpretation, (obviously you were not able to produce any scripture stating that "Jesus is the Logos" because we all know it does not exist, moreover it does not exist for a good reason: it's false).

This is my little Creed from the Gospel of Yohannei, (a.k.a. John), and following after the Creed below, concerning what the following bold, plain, emphatic statements from the Meshiah compel me to logically conclude by simply believing every word.

John 5:22
22 for the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 8:15
15 You judge after the flesh: I judge no one.

John 8:50
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is One who seeks out and judges.

John 12:47-50
47 And if anyone hears my words, (rhema), and believes not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save-deliver the world.
48 The one rejecting me, and receiving not my words, (rhema), has One that judges him: the Logos that I have spoken, that One* (He) shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself: but the Father who sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that His commandment is life eternal: whatsoever therefore I speak, even as the Father has said unto me, so I speak.

* "that One" = G1565 εκεινος ~ literally that one or that thing, which some minimalize by rendering it here as he, or the same, (while others even go so far as to omit this word entirely for rather obvious reasons).

The basic flow of the logic in the above emphatic statements of the Meshiah is easy to see:

The Father judges no one, (John 5:22).
The Father has committed all judgement unto the Son, (John 5:22).
The Meshiah himself, (the Christos, or Anointed One), judges no one, (John 8:15, John 8:50, John 12:47).
The Logos which the Meshiah has spoken: that One alone is the Judge, (John 12:48).

Therefore:

The Father is not the Judge, (John 5:22).
The Son is the only Judge, (John 5:22).
The Meshiah himself says that he is not the Judge, (John 8:15, John 8:50, John 12:47)
The Logos spoken through the Meshiah which the Father gave to him is the only Judge, (John 12:48-50).
The Meshiah cannot be the eternal Logos Son, the Word, who is ever in the bosom of the Father, (John 1:18).

My Little Creed From the Meshiah Himself

This is my little Creed from the Gospel of Yohannei, (a.k.a. John), and following below the Creed, concerning what the following bold, plain, emphatic statements from the Meshiah compel me to logically conclude by simply believing every word. John 5:22 22 for the Father judges no one, but has...

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God is the one who searches the heart, Proverbs and Psalms talk about this, this is about why God tests people, to discern what is in us. God in his wisdom and generosity will be just and fair and generous with how he evaluates people, but he’s evaluating us. We can see James and Paul reflecting and working all these themes. The fact, that God would be generous to us and overlook our failures, but the moment that becomes an escape clause for us to begin compromising, then we need to get some holy fear and trembling. The drama of the life of following Jesus, is to trust that God will be generous with us while we do righteousness, but not while we remain in our old humanity’s behaviors.

 

[dak]

God is the one who searches the heart, Proverbs and Psalms talk about this, this is about why God tests people, to discern what is in us. God in his wisdom and generosity will be just and fair and generous with how he evaluates people, but he’s evaluating us. We can see James and Paul reflecting and working all these themes. The fact, that God would be generous to us and overlook our failures, but the moment that becomes an escape clause for us to begin compromising, then we need to get some holy fear and trembling. The drama of the life of following Jesus, is to trust that God will be generous with us while we do righteousness, but not while we remain in our old humanity’s behaviors.

Yes, there is an appointed time coming, and it is indeed a test, for all those who claim the name of Meshiah/Christ. This appointed time is when a child becomes a tried and true son of the Father, in Meshiah. But until that appointed time one is merely a babe or a child in the kingdom, (in "the milk of the Word"), and is under a schoolmaster, (Torah), and tutors, (Prophets), and overseers, (Writings, especially Psalms), though he or she be an heir and destined to become master of all, (Galatians 4:1-2). For it is manifestly evident that no father in his right mind puts his untested babe or child in charge of all his goods.

Hebrews 10:35-36 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. [Hab 2:3]
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. [Hab 2:4]
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

This is when true faith actually comes: for it has been truly tested at the conclusion of this appointed time, (an appointed time known only to the Father), and the professed faith has been shown to be legitimate faith according to the scripture meaning of faith/faithfulness/belief. Moreover, according to the final statement in v.39 highlighted above, this is when indeed the saving of the soul has occurred, (for those having overcome). And according to the Prophet quoted in the above passage, (Habakkuk), this appointed time is a vision.

But of course you will never hear this scripture teaching being taught in a mainstream Christian sermon because it destroys their easy-people-pleasing dogma: and yet there it is right before our eyes, in the epistle to the Hebrews, so long as one is willing to forgo the typical reaction of closing the eyes and plugging the ears.

 

[newnature]

Yes, there is an appointed time coming, and it is indeed a test, for all those who claim the name of Meshiah/Christ. This appointed time is when a child becomes a tried and true son of the Father, in Meshiah. But until that appointed time one is merely a babe or a child in the kingdom, (in "the milk of the Word"), and is under a schoolmaster, (Torah), and tutors, (Prophets), and overseers, (Writings, especially Psalms), though he or she be an heir and destined to become master of all, (Galatians 4:1-2). For it is manifestly evident that no father in his right mind puts his untested babe or child in charge of all his goods.

Hebrews 10:35-36 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. [Hab 2:3]
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. [Hab 2:4]
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

This is when true faith actually comes: for it has been truly tested at the conclusion of this appointed time, (an appointed time known only to the Father), and the professed faith has been shown to be legitimate faith according to the scripture meaning of faith/faithfulness/belief. Moreover, according to the final statement in v.39 highlighted above, this is when indeed the saving of the soul has occurred, (for those having overcome). And according to the Prophet quoted in the above passage, (Habakkuk), this appointed time is a vision.

But of course you will never hear this scripture teaching being taught in a mainstream Christian sermon because it destroys their easy-people-pleasing dogma: and yet there it is right before our eyes, in the epistle to the Hebrews, so long as one is willing to forgo the typical reaction of closing the eyes and plugging the ears.

Throughout the gospel of Matthew, the word mercy and it’s connected words imply that merciful action is the concrete expression of our loyalty to God and what God demands is not so much activity directed to God, but loving kindness directed towards other people. The good life belongs to those who embody love, the ones who treat people like really close family with outrageous generosity and their love. Now Israel never deserved that, but God was always faithful to give that, God’s loyal love punctuates their whole story, there’s actually just one story, God’s loyal love goes on forever, that’s the story and Israel’s life and in fact, all of our lives punctuate that truth.

 

[dak]

Throughout the gospel of Matthew, the word mercy and it’s connected words imply that merciful action is the concrete expression of our loyalty to God and what God demands is not so much activity directed to God, but loving kindness directed towards other people. The good life belongs to those who embody love, the ones who treat people like really close family with outrageous generosity and their love. Now Israel never deserved that, but God was always faithful to give that, God’s loyal love punctuates their whole story, there’s actually just one story, God’s loyal love goes on forever, that’s the story and Israel’s life and in fact, all of our lives punctuate that truth.

And now we finally reach my actual point for posting in this thread: if you cannot even answer anything from scripture that has been posted to you herein, then perhaps it is not such a wise idea to run around posting threads boasting that the Torah has been set aside, done away with, or is no longer necessary.

Have a nice thread, nice chatting.

 

[newnature]

And now we finally reach my actual point for posting in this thread: if you cannot even answer anything from scripture that has been posted to you herein, then perhaps it is not such a wise idea to run around posting threads boasting that the Torah has been set aside, done away with, or is no longer necessary.

Have a nice thread, nice chatting. View attachment 77030

Jesus is saying, continue faithfully to be his ambassadors, his heralds, his salt and light in the world, be who we are and stop being something that we’re not. We are the embodiment of the covenant through which God’s long-lasting promises to his people are going to move forward, we are the light of the world, we are the city on the hill. It’s a dark world out there, we’re shining a light through how we live together as a group of people.

 

[newnature]

And now we finally reach my actual point for posting in this thread: if you cannot even answer anything from scripture that has been posted to you herein, then perhaps it is not such a wise idea to run around posting threads boasting that the Torah has been set aside, done away with, or is no longer necessary.

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The calling to live in reality by the teachings of Jesus is itself a part of and a result of a response to this transformational work that God’s doing in the human family and so, it’s God’s work in us and it’s our work with God. If we’re open to letting Jesus work in our minds and our hearts, imagine what could happen.

 

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And now we finally reach my actual point for posting in this thread: if you cannot even answer anything from scripture that has been posted to you herein, then perhaps it is not such a wise idea to run around posting threads boasting that the Torah has been set aside, done away with, or is no longer necessary.

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The Hebrew word for light is “or” and look at the word play in Torah. T”or”ah, let your light shine, we are the embodiment of the Torah.

 

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It’s a dark world out there, we’re shining a light through how we live together as a group of people.

Are we, though?

 

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Are we, though?

Yes.

 

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Are we, though?

This isn’t just behavior, it’s character, the core character of a person, but depravity, we can overemphasize that to a degree of actually not being faithful to the full portrait of human nature, because humans are a lot more in God’s eyes, than depraved. But that compromised nature is really a big emphasis in the biblical story, because it’s realistic.