THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT

[Doug]

Yes in the trib, the kingdom gospel will be preached but it is added to the gospel of salvation. So it is more than the Kingdom gospel John the Baptist preached and Jesus and the apostles did until Matthew 13.

Jesus told the disciples to preach the gospel that he taught them which is only the gospel of the kingdom

 

[Doug]

Sorry but the "Great Commission of Matt. 28 started at Pentecost and is ongoing.

I dont think Matthew 28 started at Pentecost if anything Pentecost might have been fulfillment of several passages

[Luk 24:47-49 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
[Act 1:8 KJV] 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

They were at Jerusalem......they received the Holy Ghost

[Mar 16:15-17 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

They were baptized........they spoke in tongues

 

[Doug]

Jesus will be reigning on earth in the Millennial kingdom and the disciples being the bride of Christ along with us will be in heaven. How theose born in the Millenium hear the gospel is not revealed. We just know they have till their 100th birthday to receive Christ or they will be killed.

This is where Matthew 28:19-20 applies.........in the millennial kingdom

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus told the disciples to preach the gospel that he taught them which is only the gospel of the kingdom

Wrong! He commanded to go and make disciples in all the world in the great commission. YOu completely forget that the gospel of the kingdom was ceased to be preached after the events of Matt.12

This is where Matthew 28:19-20 applies.........in the millennial kingdom

No, it was a command in the present, not the future- which we see was started to be obeyed on the day of Pentecost. You do not preach a coming kingdom if you are living in said kingdom.

I dont think Matthew 28 started at Pentecost if anything Pentecost might have been fulfillment of several passages

[Luk 24:47-49 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
[Act 1:8 KJV] 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

They were at Jerusalem......they received the Holy Ghost

[Mar 16:15-17 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

They were baptized........they spoke in tongues

You fail to see that they were commanded to bring the good news of Jesus'death and resurrection to every person! He wasn't speaking of the gospel of the kingdom, Paul was the one commissioned to bring it to the Gentiles though many of the original 11 preached in many foreign lands as well and they were not preaching the gospel of the kingdom.

 

[Doug]

Apology that it took me this long but there were important family matters had to be addressed first.

No need to apologize

 

[Doug]

his passage DOES NOT indicate nor declare as to "when" the New Covenant will take effect.

I was showing that it does....Ezekiel 36 is the new covenant and verse 24 says Israel will be gathered into their land.......the new covenant cant take place until this happens

 

[Doug]

Let us ask ourselves this question: This passage of scripture, which is 100% Truth, will take place - but "when" ???

ANSWER: Please find the answer in the Gospel of Matthew and get back to me with it - If you cannot find just let me know and i will post it.

I searched new covenant and cant find it in Matthew
I am not sure what Bible version you are using but that may explain it

 

[Doug]

And this is true because it says so in what book, chapter,and verse(s)?

[Heb 9:16-17 KJV] 16 For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[Doug]

But you cannot say that none of the Gospels are New Testament because the Bible says the law and the prophets ended with John. So John represents the ending of the old covenant. Jesus advent represents the new
covenant.

I viewed it that way in the past but consider this view

[Mat 11:13 KJV] 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John......................the law and the prophets prophesized the suffering and coming of Christ until John. who was the prophesized messenger Malachi 4:5

[Luk 16:16 KJV] 16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law and prophets prophesized the coming kingdom until John who announced it was at hand

The law didnt stop and Jesus taught it

 

[Doug]

So a lot of this subject becomes splitting hairs.

Yes its not crucial to salvation just a matter of knowledge

 

[Doug]

Wrong! He commanded to go and make disciples in all the world in the great commission. YOu completely forget that the gospel of the kingdom was ceased to be preached after the events of Matt.12

I read Matthew 12 and I dont know what events lead you to say the gospel of the kingdom ceased

 

[Doug]

No, it was a command in the present, not the future- which we see was started to be obeyed on the day of Pentecost. You do not preach a coming kingdom if you are living in said kingdom.

[Mat 28:19-20 KJV] 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

There is no mention of preaching the gospel of the kingdom in Matthew 28 because it was fulfilled
They were to teach the Gentile nations that enter the kingdom

 

[Doug]

You fail to see that they were commanded to bring the good news of Jesus'death and resurrection to every person! He wasn't speaking of the gospel of the kingdom, Paul was the one commissioned to bring it to the Gentiles though many of the original 11 preached in many foreign lands as well and they were not preaching the gospel of the kingdom.

They could not be told to preach Paul's gospel since it wasnt revealed to Paul at that time

 

[rebuilder 454]

I viewed it that way in the past but consider this view

[Mat 11:13 KJV] 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John......................the law and the prophets prophesized the suffering and coming of Christ until John. who was the prophesized messenger Malachi 4:5

[Luk 16:16 KJV] 16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law and prophets prophesized the coming kingdom until John who announced it was at hand

The law didnt stop and Jesus taught it

Well what happened was The PRIESTHOOD changed.
From Levitical to judah/david/ melchesidik.
That is why Jesus said permit it at this time.

Over and over Jesus said ,"You have heard that it is written.... ,But I say onto you....."

Law was being overridden after Jesus baptism.

 

[Doug]

Law was being overridden after Jesus baptism.

Paul said otherwise
[Rom 3:31 KJV] 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[David in NJ]

Paul said otherwise
[Rom 3:31 KJV] 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

How does the Apostle Paul see the law established?

 

[Doug]

How does the Apostle Paul see the law established?

[Rom 8:4 KJV] 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[Rom 13:10 KJV] 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

[Heb 9:16-17 KJV] 16 For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

You were talking about the new testament not being in force until Jesus died.

It is actually his new covenant that required his death,blood,to seal the covenant. Which transpired when he died on the cross. That is the meaning of our sins being "under the blood".

They are erased by his sacrifice for our sins. That propitiation for our sins.

After he died on the cross and forever his new covenant is in force.

And the new testimony in our Bibles tells us why that is the truth.