The great day of the LORD is near

[bro.tan]

Let's take a look in Matthew 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Now......The Prophet Zephaniah speaks of the Day of the Lord and a time of trouble, but says nothing of the Lord taking you to heaven to avoid it. (Zephaniah 1:14-18) “The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land."

(Zephaniah 2:1-3) "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."


Lets go into Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

The Euphrates River runs through turkey and is the dividing line between Eastern and Western Europe. 200 thousand thousand = 200 million. Russia & China signed a non-aggression pact and will raise an army of 200 million solders.


Lets go into Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


We have the kings of the east, which is Russia, China and their allies. We have unclean spirits speaking lies and words of war. We have the dragon, which we know is Satan and the Beast who is the head of the E.U. The false prophet we know is the Pope. Because those that have understanding know who is this number. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13: 16-18)

Lets go into Zechariah 14: 1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


to be continue....

 

[bro.tan]

Lets continue with the Prophet Joel 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Zion is another word for Jerusalem and sanctify a fast at this time is the Day of Atonement when Jesus will return. Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Bride is his church, the common wealth of Israel. His chamber is Heaven and the closet is the land of captivity/hidden from the world knowing who the real Israelites are. Paul says in Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Lets go into Revelation 11: 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Jesus says in Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

The throne of the glory of David. The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. (Psalm 132:11-14)

Lets go into Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LORDS.

Jesus army with all his angels and all his saints comes in the first Resurrection. The war between Jesus and the Kings of the earth, is the war of the Armageddon and the sword is the Word of God.

 

[bro.tan]

Lets go into 1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The last trump of God, which is the seventh trumpet, the saints will descend and meet the Lord in the air to be with the Lord forever.

Lets go to Revelation 19:19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Jesus army with all his angels and all his saints’ war between Jesus and the Kings of the earth is the war of the Armageddon and the sword is the Word of God.

Lets go back to Zechariah 14: 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

No one will come out this Battle alive who goes against the Lord and his saints and angels.

Lets head back to Revelation 19: 17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The Beast which is head of E.U. and the false prophets, which is the Pope will be the first to enter the lake of fire. They will get there before Satan and the angels that follow him.

 

[bro.tan]

Lets continue in Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

 

[Davy]

Lets go into Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

The Euphrates River runs through turkey and is the dividing line between Eastern and Western Europe. 200 thousand thousand = 200 million. Russia & China signed a non-aggression pact and will raise an army of 200 million solders.

Lets go into Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

We have the kings of the east, which is Russia, China and their allies. We have unclean spirits speaking lies and words of war. We have the dragon, which we know is Satan and the Beast who is the head of the E.U. The false prophet we know is the Pope. Because those that have understanding know who is this number. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13: 16-18)

The Revelation 9 events are often misunderstood as to its timing and relation with the "great tribulation" time.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period begins at Rev.9:12 and continues all the way in Rev.11 to the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe when Jesus returns. This means that 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing is "great tribulation" timing, NOT the "day of the Lord", nor the Armageddon, nor the Gog-Magog battle of Ezekiel 38-39.

The popular... idea is that 200 million is about the military armies that will come up against Israel on the last day, the "day of the Lord". It is not. That 200 million army is symbolic about the locust army of the Book of Joel for the end times, and especially for the time of "great tribulation" that happens just prior to the "day of the Lord".

God often uses symbols of natural things to get His point across. In the Book of Joel He used the idea of locusts put for the enemy's working here on earth. In Joel 2 He lets us know that He is actually pointing to men with calling them "a great people and a strong", meaning a strong, unstoppable group of workers on this earth. And later He even calls them His great army He sends upon His people (Joel 2:25).

The time of "great tribulation" is to be a time of world peace, not all out war.
This is proven by what Apostle Paul said in 1 Thess.5 that when the deceived say, "Peace and safety", then "sudden destruction" will come upon them. That "sudden destruction" event Paul was pointing to is about the "day of the Lord", the last day of this world when man's works will be burned off this earth by God's "consuming fire" (2 Peter 3:10). The Daniel 8 chapter also about the coming Antichrist also is to destroy many using 'peace', and craft is to prosper by his hand. This is also in Rev.11 why the world will rejoice and send each other gifts once God's "two witnesses" are killed and their Ministry is ended.

During the "great tribulation", it will be Christ's elect only that will be hated and persecuted. All others will be deceived by the coming false-Messiah, believing he is God, like Lord Jesus, Apostles Paul and John all showed.

And yet another myth is that number 666 passage at the end of Rev.13. Most wrongly believe that because it says it is the number of a "man", that has to mean a flesh-born Antichrist. But that is not true, because the image of man originates from God's Own Image of man, as per Genesis 1:26-27. All the angels were created with that image of man also, and is how they appeared on earth to flesh-born men. I strongly believe Revelation is pointing to the devil coming as the Antichrist with that image of man.

 

[bro.tan]

The Revelation 9 events are often misunderstood as to its timing and relation with the "great tribulation" time.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period begins at Rev.9:12 and continues all the way in Rev.11 to the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe when Jesus returns. This means that 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing is "great tribulation" timing, NOT the "day of the Lord", nor the Armageddon, nor the Gog-Magog battle of Ezekiel 38-39.

The popular... idea is that 200 million is about the military armies that will come up against Israel on the last day, the "day of the Lord". It is not. That 200 million army is symbolic about the locust army of the Book of Joel for the end times, and especially for the time of "great tribulation" that happens just prior to the "day of the Lord".

God often uses symbols of natural things to get His point across. In the Book of Joel He used the idea of locusts put for the enemy's working here on earth. In Joel 2 He lets us know that He is actually pointing to men with calling them "a great people and a strong", meaning a strong, unstoppable group of workers on this earth. And later He even calls them His great army He sends upon His people (Joel 2:25).

The time of "great tribulation" is to be a time of world peace, not all out war.
This is proven by what Apostle Paul said in 1 Thess.5 that when the deceived say, "Peace and safety", then "sudden destruction" will come upon them. That "sudden destruction" event Paul was pointing to is about the "day of the Lord", the last day of this world when man's works will be burned off this earth by God's "consuming fire" (2 Peter 3:10). The Daniel 8 chapter also about the coming Antichrist also is to destroy many using 'peace', and craft is to prosper by his hand. This is also in Rev.11 why the world will rejoice and send each other gifts once God's "two witnesses" are killed and their Ministry is ended.

During the "great tribulation", it will be Christ's elect only that will be hated and persecuted. All others will be deceived by the coming false-Messiah, believing he is God, like Lord Jesus, Apostles Paul and John all showed.

And yet another myth is that number 666 passage at the end of Rev.13. Most wrongly believe that because it says it is the number of a "man", that has to mean a flesh-born Antichrist. But that is not true, because the image of man originates from God's Own Image of man, as per Genesis 1:26-27. All the angels were created with that image of man also, and is how they appeared on earth to flesh-born men. I strongly believe Revelation is pointing to the devil coming as the Antichrist with that image of man.

Sorry but I disagree....peace in Jesus name

 

[Davy]

Sorry but I disagree....peace in Jesus name

Then I have to assume that you agree with pop author's fake works like Hal Lindsay's and Tim LaHaye's books, which are designed to support the false pre-trib rapture theory from men.

 

[Davy]

For those Brethren interested...

Apostle John was shown the coming sound of three angels at the end of this world, and three woes attached to them.

Rev 8:13
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
KJV

That's about three separate Trumpet-Woe periods, one after the other. That is a very solid timeline order which Lord Jesus gave us with that. If you find the order of events written in Revelation difficult, then these three Trumpet-Woe periods for the end will definitely show you events that are to happen in the proper order.

The last Woe and Trumpet, the third Woe and 7th Trumpet, is to sound with the day of Christ's future coming...

Rev 11:14-15
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV

The 1st Woe and 5th Trumpet occur just prior to the time of "great tribulation". The actual time of "great tribulation" begins with the 2nd Woe - 6th Trumpet...

Rev 9:12-21
12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, "Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."

The Euphrates river in God's Word represented the most northern border of the lands of the old kingdom of Israel which God gave to the Israelites. It thus represents a symbolic border between God's people and Israel's enemies (because north of the river is Babylon). The symbolic four angels bound there being loosed represents the crossing of Christ's enemies coming across that border at God's people. It represents the "great tribulation" timing.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

That phrase, "... prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year...", is a symbolic reference to a 'specific' time of attack. And note, this is happening with the sound of the 6th Trumpet and 2nd Woe. Lord Jesus comes on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe, so this must be the "great tribulation" timing.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Just because The LORD used that idea of an "army" does not automatically mean He was pointing to a literal military army. Those who don't study all their Bible often make that kind of mistake, taking a single verse out of the context of the whole chapter, and apply some different meaning other than what Christ intended.

The first mention of these symbolic locusts of Revelation 9 was in the Book of Joel. There God shows they have the teeth of a lion, and they represent "a great people, and a strong". And that means God is simply using the locust idea as a metaphor for how... this certain group of men work on earth. How does a locust work in real nature? They devour whatever crops are before them, and they can completely reap a whole field, leaving nothing behind. That is how God is using the 'locust army' He mentions in Joel.

Joel 2:25
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you.
KJV

God even gives 4 stages of the development of the locust. Each one of those 4 stages represent a period of development by this certain group of men in control over this world. Some have suggested those 4 stages of the locust development represent 4 main categories of workings upon this earth - the political, the financial, the educational, and religion.

This is why in Joel 1, God reveals the locusts represent a certain people...

Joel 1:6-7
6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.
7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.
KJV

And per Revelation 9:8, the locusts there that come up out of the pit have teeth like lions, just as shown in that above Joel 1:6 verse. It's speaking of the same subject. Those who never read the Book of Joel don't know about this link, and so they create all sorts of fabrications about Rev.9 that simply is not what Christ was showing there.

The descriptions of the locusts on the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe covers how they will operate when the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe ("great tribulation" timing) happens.

Rev 9:3-10
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Those locusts are told they cannot hurt the grass of the earth nor any green thing, nor tree, but only those men NOT sealed with God's Seal (via The Holy Spirit).

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

And the locusts will not be allowed to kill... those men not sealed with God's Seal, but only 'sting' them, for five months (the shortened trib time).

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

So does that sound like a 200 million man Chinese army coming to attack God's people? No, of course not. Because if it were a real, literal 200 million man military Red Chinese army, they definitely would do some killing.

So these locusts are NOT about a literal military army. What kind of army then?

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

There you have it, they have the "faces of men" which means, they ARE MEN, and not actual locust monsters like in some Hollywood movie.

(Continued...)

 

[Davy]

Rev.9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

They have hair like women?? What's women's hair like? It soft, long, beautiful, traditionally. So what does that idea represent symbolically? It represents 'sweetness'. These locusts are going to be soothsayers, saying sweet religious nothings in your ear to deceive you! And what their deceptions serve as, is like how a lion attacks and rips with its teeth, but instead these locusts do it to your soul, causing SPIRITUAL DEATH.

So already, this 200 million man locust army is actually pointing to a great work of DECEPTION for the end during the "great tribulation" time.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

See Joel 2 for similar symbolic associations to the locust army like the above. In one place in Joel 2 it say the locust army when they fall upon a sword they are not harmed. Now you know that cannot mean a literal military army, but God is only using the idea of a military army as to how the locusts attack His people.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

There's that "five months" timing again. Jesus said He shortened the time of the future tribulation, otherwise there would be no flesh left. That five months is also implied in Revelation 12 about the trib being like the days of Noah. Per the Genesis 7:24, the waters of the flood prevailed upon the earth for a period of one hundred and fifty days. That one hundred and fifty days per the old Hebrew calendar reckoning equaled "five months". That means the locust stinging (deceptions) during the "great tribulation" will prevail for one hundred and fifty days, or "five months."

17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

The above combination of items, like breastplates of fire and jewels represents a religious symbol, the breastplates of 12 jewels of the Hebrew priest. But these are the locusts, and their horses have heads like lions, which represents Christ's enemies. And the most important symbol in that verse...

Out of their MOUTHS issues fire and brimstone.

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

One again, these locusts are symbolic of real men. The "nation" God warned of in Joel 1. (in essence, Satan's workers upon this earth). Something to consider about these locusts coming out the smoke of Satan's pit, is that these might be Satan's angels that are going to come to earth in the last days, as revealed in Revelation 12:7-17. When that war in Heaven happens, it is written that then there will be no more place found for Satan in Heaven. That means he can only go one other place, and that is to this earth in OUR earthly dimension. And it says his angels are coming to earth with him. Will Satan's angels at the end be this locust army hinted to be like Hebrew priests?

The 3rd part of men are killed by the fire, smoke, and brimstone that comes out of where?? Out of their MOUTHS! That means WORDS, that cause DECEPTION.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

If their power is in their MOUTH, that means they attack using WORDS. Is that not what a false priest does, attack using words to cause deception? And remember, this is 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing, which means the time of the "great tribulation".

20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
KJV

Since the previous verse mentioned one third, then the rest has to mean two thirds.

Those in Christ are not to succumb to the locust's words of deception that comes out of the MOUTHS as an attack upon us. We are to understand what the "great tribulation" is about, with the coming of a FALSE supernatural Messiah working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world. We are to understand as per Apostle Paul that coming "man of sin" will sit in a new stone temple in Jerusalem built by the Jews for the tribulation, and he will proclaim himself as GOD, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thessalonians 2).

 

[bro.tan]

Then I have to assume that you agree with pop author's fake works like Hal Lindsay's and Tim LaHaye's books, which are designed to support the false pre-trib rapture theory from men.

I have to take a peek at those books and see, but according the Bible there's no pre-trib or rapture written. Five times the bible set the time of the great tribulation at 3 1/2 years which also is the time of the reign of the beast and the false prophet:1 in Daniel 7:25;...time and times and the dividing of time. 2 Daniel 12:7 "times, times, and an half." 3 Revelation 11:2...and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months. 4 Revelation 11:3...and they (two witnesses), shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days (1260 days), and 5 Revelation 13:5 "power was given unto him to continue forty and two month (3 1/2 years)."

Most theologians and writers ignore all the scriptures that set a 3 1/2 years times limit on the reign of the anti-Christ and the beast (which is the time of the great tribulations). They all say there will be seven years of tribulation; and they all use the 9th chapter of Daniel to try to prove it. It is also said by them that the ant-Christ is going to make a covenant with the Jews for the one week (7years), and in the middle of the week (after 3 1/2 years), he is going to break the covenant, and stop the Jews from sacrificing animals and pollute the sanctuary. then they go on to say that at the end of the week (7years), the Lord is going to come and pour out his wrath upon this destroyer.

 

[Davy]

I have to take a peek at those books and see, but according the Bible there's no pre-trib or rapture written. Five times the bible set the time of the great tribulation at 3 1/2 years which also is the time of the reign of the beast and the false prophet:1 in Daniel 7:25;...time and times and the dividing of time. 2 Daniel 12:7 "times, times, and an half." 3 Revelation 11:2...and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months. 4 Revelation 11:3...and they (two witnesses), shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days (1260 days), and 5 Revelation 13:5 "power was given unto him to continue forty and two month (3 1/2 years)."

Yes, that I'm well aware of.

The reason for my question in my post about Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye is that they promoted the pre-trib rapture theory of men. Hollywood movies about the rapture have actually been made based on LaHaye's "Left-behind" series of books, actor Nicolas Cage is in one of them.

Why I asked you what I did is because the idea that the 200 million man literal army idea, like it being about Red China, is a theory that is especially held by the pre-trib rapture school and its authors.

The events of the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe in Revelation 9 simply do not happen on the last day of this world, because in Revelation 11 that very 1260 days (or 3 and 1/2 years, or "times, times, and an half", or 42 months, etc.), is shown happening within that 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing. Jesus is shown having returned on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe in that Revelation 11 chapter. And the "great tribulation" event is to occur just prior to Lord Jesus' future return. Thus it means the Revelation 9:16 "two hundred thousand thousand" locust army is "great tribulation" timing, and that cannot mean a literal army, but a symbolic one, meaning Satan's host working on earth during the coming trib., which is to be a time when the "beast" will be in power (42 months), and all wars have stopped, Antichrist trying to usher in a time of "Peace and safety" (1 Thessalonians 5; Daniel 8:25).

Most theologians and writers ignore all the scriptures that set a 3 1/2 years times limit on the reign of the anti-Christ and the beast (which is the time of the great tribulations). They all say there will be seven years of tribulation; and they all use the 9th chapter of Daniel to try to prove it.

I don't do that. I stay with what is written in God's Word instead of heeding men's doctrines; I'm non-denominational, even though I was raised in a mainstream Christian denomination. Each denomination has its own set of problems with leaving the written Word of God, showing how they have allowed the enemy to creep in.

The latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is the 1260 days or 42 months of Revelation 11. I'm well aware that is the actual time of "great tribulation". Lord Jesus also confirmed that time in Matthew 24:15 when He quoted from Daniel 11 that when those in Jerusalem see the placing of the "abomination of desolation", then that is when there will be a time of "great tribulation". And that is the timing of the Daniel 9:27 verse also, that abomination idol placed in the middle of the 7 years "one week".

It is also said by them that the ant-Christ is going to make a covenant with the Jews for the one week (7years), and in the middle of the week (after 3 1/2 years), he is going to break the covenant, and stop the Jews from sacrificing animals and pollute the sanctuary. then they go on to say that at the end of the week (7years), the Lord is going to come and pour out his wrath upon this destroyer.

Well, they are actually correct with that, because that is actually what is written.

Daniel 11 about the "vile person" will make a "league" in Jerusalem, and it will involve the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem being allowed to build their 3rd temple and start up old covenant worship again, with sacrifices.

The confirming of the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 is actually about the re-establishing of old covenant worship by the orthodox unbelieving Jews. They still do not recognize Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, Messiah, so they are still expecting Messiah to come, and per the "BRANCH" prophecy in Zechariah 6, (which is about Messiah), they understand Messiah will build the temple when He comes. But it instead will be the Antichrist/false-Messiah that will come first, fooling them. And that's what the "strong delusion" is about which Apostle Paul spoke of (2 Thess.2).

And per Matthew 24:22, Lord Jesus said the time of "great tribulation" will be "shortened", for His elect's sake. And that is what that actual "five months" timing in Revelation 9 is about. So we can still go by that order of events given with that Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" of 7 years, with the latter 1260 days being the trib, but Jesus showed He shortened that trib to "five months", for that is the total time of the stinging of those not sealed by the locusts of Rev.9.

So where does the army coming out of the northern quarters upon Israel happen per Bible prophecy? On the LAST DAY of this present world, which will be the day of Christ's future return, because He is coming to destroy not only the "beast" and "false prophet", but also that great army of Ezekiel 38 that is going to come against Israel on that last day, called "the day of the Lord".

Ezekiel 38 tells us exactly which... nations will make up that future army -- Russia ("chief" = the word Rus, old label for Russia); Persia (area of Iran-Iraq, maybe Syria too); Gomer (ex-Soviet satellites like Georgia just below Russia); Ethiopia (which in Ezekiel's day included areas like Sudan south of Egypt); and Togarmah (old Cappadocia, which today is the area of Turkey, an Islamic nation).

So Red China is not mentioned in that nations list of the army out of the northern quarters that is to come up against Israel on the last day.

 

[bro.tan]

Yes, that I'm well aware of.

The reason for my question in my post about Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye is that they promoted the pre-trib rapture theory of men. Hollywood movies about the rapture have actually been made based on LaHaye's "Left-behind" series of books, actor Nicolas Cage is in one of them.

Why I asked you what I did is because the idea that the 200 million man literal army idea, like it being about Red China, is a theory that is especially held by the pre-trib rapture school and its authors.

The events of the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe in Revelation 9 simply do not happen on the last day of this world, because in Revelation 11 that very 1260 days (or 3 and 1/2 years, or "times, times, and an half", or 42 months, etc.), is shown happening within that 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing. Jesus is shown having returned on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe in that Revelation 11 chapter. And the "great tribulation" event is to occur just prior to Lord Jesus' future return. Thus it means the Revelation 9:16 "two hundred thousand thousand" locust army is "great tribulation" timing, and that cannot mean a literal army, but a symbolic one, meaning Satan's host working on earth during the coming trib., which is to be a time when the "beast" will be in power (42 months), and all wars have stopped, Antichrist trying to usher in a time of "Peace and safety" (1 Thessalonians 5; Daniel 8:25).




I don't do that. I stay with what is written in God's Word instead of heeding men's doctrines; I'm non-denominational, even though I was raised in a mainstream Christian denomination. Each denomination has its own set of problems with leaving the written Word of God, showing how they have allowed the enemy to creep in.

The latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is the 1260 days or 42 months of Revelation 11. I'm well aware that is the actual time of "great tribulation". Lord Jesus also confirmed that time in Matthew 24:15 when He quoted from Daniel 11 that when those in Jerusalem see the placing of the "abomination of desolation", then that is when there will be a time of "great tribulation". And that is the timing of the Daniel 9:27 verse also, that abomination idol placed in the middle of the 7 years "one week".




Well, they are actually correct with that, because that is actually what is written.

Daniel 11 about the "vile person" will make a "league" in Jerusalem, and it will involve the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem being allowed to build their 3rd temple and start up old covenant worship again, with sacrifices.

The confirming of the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 is actually about the re-establishing of old covenant worship by the orthodox unbelieving Jews. They still do not recognize Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, Messiah, so they are still expecting Messiah to come, and per the "BRANCH" prophecy in Zechariah 6, (which is about Messiah), they understand Messiah will build the temple when He comes. But it instead will be the Antichrist/false-Messiah that will come first, fooling them. And that's what the "strong delusion" is about which Apostle Paul spoke of (2 Thess.2).

And per Matthew 24:22, Lord Jesus said the time of "great tribulation" will be "shortened", for His elect's sake. And that is what that actual "five months" timing in Revelation 9 is about. So we can still go by that order of events given with that Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" of 7 years, with the latter 1260 days being the trib, but Jesus showed He shortened that trib to "five months", for that is the total time of the stinging of those not sealed by the locusts of Rev.9.

So where does the army coming out of the northern quarters upon Israel happen per Bible prophecy? On the LAST DAY of this present world, which will be the day of Christ's future return, because He is coming to destroy not only the "beast" and "false prophet", but also that great army of Ezekiel 38 that is going to come against Israel on that last day, called "the day of the Lord".

Ezekiel 38 tells us exactly which... nations will make up that future army -- Russia ("chief" = the word Rus, old label for Russia); Persia (area of Iran-Iraq, maybe Syria too); Gomer (ex-Soviet satellites like Georgia just below Russia); Ethiopia (which in Ezekiel's day included areas like Sudan south of Egypt); and Togarmah (old Cappadocia, which today is the area of Turkey, an Islamic nation).

So Red China is not mentioned in that nations list of the army out of the northern quarters that is to come up against Israel on the last day.

Those scripture I post lets us know that the great tribulation will not start until the abomination (false prophet) gets there. The four other scripture I named earlier says he will only stay for 3 1/2years. The 9th chapter of Daniel is not talking about the false prophet, neither is it talking about the same time. Part of that scripture has already been fulfilled, even down to destruction (consumption) of Jerusalem and that which was determined has already been poured out upon the Jews, which are the desolate and not the desolator. It is awfully strange that people with great understanding of words do not know the different between the words make, and confirm "the covenant" with many for one week, not make a covenant with many. The desolate is one who is being destroyed, and the desolator is the one who is doing the destroying. When people make a covenant they are re-establishing an agreement that has already been made in the past.

 

[Davy]

Those scripture I post lets us know that the great tribulation will not start until the abomination (false prophet) gets there. The four other scripture I named earlier says he will only stay for 3 1/2years. The 9th chapter of Daniel is not talking about the false prophet, neither is it talking about the same time.

That statement in red disagrees with the events written in Revelation 9, because the events within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period are "great tribulation" timing. I mentioned that in my post, but obviously you didn't read it, nor bother to verify it in Rev.9 for yourself.

Part of that scripture has already been fulfilled, even down to destruction (consumption) of Jerusalem and that which was determined has already been poured out upon the Jews, which are the desolate and not the desolator.

Part of what Scripture, Revelation 9? If that's what you mean, then NO, that Rev.9 Chapter has definitely NOT been yet fulfilled today.

But I would be willing to partially... agree that some of the events mentioned within the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe are being fulfilled today. But the "five months" stinging is actually for the 6th Trumpet timing, which is the time of the actual "great tribulation".

It is awfully strange that people with great understanding of words do not know the different between the words make, and confirm "the covenant" with many for one week, not make a covenant with many. The desolate is one who is being destroyed, and the desolator is the one who is doing the destroying. When people make a covenant they are re-establishing an agreement that has already been made in the past.

That was kind of my point, that the idea of the 'confirming' a 'covenant' is about re-establishing the old covenant worship. The "league" of Daniel 11 is what I see as what most are referring to with the idea of confirming the covenant. I see that "league" as being the 7 year contract with the nations, but the idea of the confirming the covenant as the coming Antichrist re-establishing the old covenant worship for the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. Thus the coming Antichrist will re-establish it, and also later take it away and instead place the abomination idol that spiritually desolates the Jew's new 3rd temple.

 

[bro.tan]

That statement in red disagrees with the events written in Revelation 9, because the events within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period are "great tribulation" timing. I mentioned that in my post, but obviously you didn't read it, nor bother to verify it in Rev.9 for yourself.



Part of what Scripture, Revelation 9? If that's what you mean, then NO, that Rev.9 Chapter has definitely NOT been yet fulfilled today.

But I would be willing to partially... agree that some of the events mentioned within the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe are being fulfilled today. But the "five months" stinging is actually for the 6th Trumpet timing, which is the time of the actual "great tribulation".




That was kind of my point, that the idea of the 'confirming' a 'covenant' is about re-establishing the old covenant worship. The "league" of Daniel 11 is what I see as what most are referring to with the idea of confirming the covenant. I see that "league" as being the 7 year contract with the nations, but the idea of the confirming the covenant as the coming Antichrist re-establishing the old covenant worship for the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. Thus the coming Antichrist will re-establish it, and also later take it away and instead place the abomination idol that spiritually desolates the Jew's new 3rd temple.

Revelation 9th Chapter is talking about the time of events the great tribulation, but let's see what the 9th chapter of Daniel is talking about. When you read this chapter, you will find in the second verse that the prophet Daniel was reading the books of the prophet Jeremiah. Daniel understood through Jeremiah's writing that the lord would accomplish seventy years in the desolation of Jerusalem. Daniel knew that Jerusalem was going to be laid to waste for more that seventy years. So he prayed to the Lord for understanding. While
he was praying, the Lord sent the angel, Gabriel, to explain to Daniel what he wanted to know as well as many other things, including: the first coming of Jesus, the time of his ministry, his death for the sins of the people, and the destruction of Jerusalem and its people by the Roman general, Titus, in 70 A.D. Except for the last 3 1/2 years that Jesus must teach, the prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Two different times between Revelation 9 and Daniel 9

 

[Davy]

Revelation 9th Chapter is talking about the time of events the great tribulation, but let's see what the 9th chapter of Daniel is talking about. When you read this chapter, you will find in the second verse that the prophet Daniel was reading the books of the prophet Jeremiah. Daniel understood through Jeremiah's writing that the lord would accomplish seventy years in the desolation of Jerusalem. Daniel knew that Jerusalem was going to be laid to waste for more that seventy years. So he prayed to the Lord for understanding. While
he was praying, the Lord sent the angel, Gabriel, to explain to Daniel what he wanted to know as well as many other things, including: the first coming of Jesus, the time of his ministry, his death for the sins of the people, and the destruction of Jerusalem and its people by the Roman general, Titus, in 70 A.D. Except for the last 3 1/2 years that Jesus must teach, the prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Two different times between Revelation 9 and Daniel 9

I well understand the Daniel 9 chapter, and the 70 weeks prophecy, when it started, and when it will end. So you aren't showing me anything new by that.


And instead Rev.9 and Dan.9 being two different times, the events of Rev.9 actually 'confirm' the prophecies in for the end of this world, and into the latter period of 7 years. The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period emphatically represents the time of "great tribulation", and here is why...

Rev 11:3
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
KJV

There's that latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week", a period of 1260 days. That represents the "great tribulation" timing.

Rev 11:11-15
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, "Come up hither." And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Then after 3 and 1/2 days, the dead bodies of those two witnesses resurrect in front of the whole world.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Within that same hour that God's two witnesses are resurrected, we are told the "second woe is past". So what trumpet and woe did all that above take place within? The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period, because look what happens on the final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe...

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV

I really don't think many brethren rightly understand what each one of those Trumpet - Woe periods represent. They each represent end time events over a span of time.

Since Christ's future return and takeover of all kingdoms on earth happens on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe, that means the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe MUST... be happening prior to that 7th Trumpet. And we know per Jesus' Olivet discourse that the "great tribulation" is to happen just prior to Christ's future return. It's as simple as that.

 

[bro.tan]

I well understand the Daniel 9 chapter, and the 70 weeks prophecy, when it started, and when it will end. So you aren't showing me anything new by that.


And instead Rev.9 and Dan.9 being two different times, the events of Rev.9 actually 'confirm' the prophecies in for the end of this world, and into the latter period of 7 years. The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period emphatically represents the time of "great tribulation", and here is why...

Rev 11:3
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
KJV

There's that latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week", a period of 1260 days. That represents the "great tribulation" timing.

Rev 11:11-15
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, "Come up hither." And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Then after 3 and 1/2 days, the dead bodies of those two witnesses resurrect in front of the whole world.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Within that same hour that God's two witnesses are resurrected, we are told the "second woe is past". So what trumpet and woe did all that above take place within? The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period, because look what happens on the final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe...

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV

I really don't think many brethren rightly understand what each one of those Trumpet - Woe periods represent. They each represent end time events over a span of time.

Since Christ's future return and takeover of all kingdoms on earth happens on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe, that means the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe MUST... be happening prior to that 7th Trumpet. And we know per Jesus' Olivet discourse that the "great tribulation" is to happen just prior to Christ's future return. It's as simple as that.

Ok, if that's what you believe.....

 

[Davy]

For those interested...

The 3 Woes of Revelation that occur with the final 3 Trumpets each represent a certain 'period' of events. And those last 3 Trumpets happen in order, 5th, 6th, 7th. Likewise then, so do those 3 Woes happen in order with those Trumpets.

Rev 8:13
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
KJV

The 5th Trumpet and 1st Woe represent the first Period of events...

Rev 9:1
9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
KJV

5th Trumpet - 1st Woe = events from Revelation 9:1 thru Revelation 9:11.

6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe = events from Revelation 9:13 thru Revelation 11:14.
(Revelation 10 represents a parenthetical Chapter, like a pause to give a sideline detail).

7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe = events of Revelation 11:15 thru Revelation 11:19.
(Christ's future 2nd coming taking over all the kingdoms of this world, beginning His eternal reign, on earth, over all nations.)


The above needs to be understood before jumping right into trying to understand the symbols of those events on each Trumpet - Woe period. It's not like when each Trumpet sounds and Woe happens with it being over immediately. Each period is about a group of events that take place. There is some overlap with the described events of the 5th Trumpet with the 6th Trumpet, like the "five months", which is the actual shortened time of "great tribulation" that only begins on the 6th Trumpet.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe Period is about events from Rev.9:13 thru Rev.11:14, which are "great tribulation" events. At the start of Revelation 11:1, John is given "a reed like unto a rod" to go measure the "temple of God". That idea of "like unto a rod" is using the same word as in Rev.2:27 about the "rod of iron" Jesus is to reign with.

Now that's the idea of a correcting... rod, a rod of punishment. So put that idea together with that idea of a measuring "reed" which is a simple measuring stick, and it implies to go measure in the sense whether it 'measures up' to God's Standard. And John is also told to measure not just this temple, but also "them that worship therein". That is how the Revelation 11:1 verse should be read and understood...

Rev 11:1
11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, "Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein."
KJV

Some try to compare the above with Ezekiel 40 when Ezekiel saw an angel that had a line of flax and a measuring reed, and showed Ezekiel measurements involving the future Millennial "sanctuary" that will be built at Jesus' future 2nd coming.

But this Revelation 11:1 example is not that temple of the Book of Ezekiel. This is about the coming 3rd temple which today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem are planning to build for the end of this present world time. It is called the "temple of God" because the orthodox Jews will deem their 3rd temple as actually being God's temple they are supposed to be worshiping at, as per the old covenant. And remember, the orthodox unbelieving Jews still do not accept The New Covenant Jesus Christ, as they believe they are still under the old covenant of Moses. That is why they so strongly desire to build their coming 3rd temple in Jerusalem. And they believe the Jews that have returned today to the holy land is a sign from God that they are supposed to do this. Thus they consider their 3rd temple as the true "temple of God". (But it won't be, those in Christ should well know.) And here is why...

Rev 11:2-3
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Recall Revelation 13:4-8 that the "dragon" will be given to reign at the end of this world over all nations and peoples for a period of "forty and two months." That's that same time above. It is equal to the latter half of the symbolic Daniel 9:27 "one week" of 1260 days.

3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
KJV

Why will God's two witnesses above be "clothed in sackcloth"? Putting ashes and sackcloth upon oneself was an Old Testament method of mourning and showing shame. This points to those two witnesses sent from God at that time of that temple not prophesying positive things about "them that worship therein."

That 42 months and the 1260 days are both the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week". One is a time given in months based on a lunar moon reckoning to represent the children of darkness, and the other time is given in days, based on a solar reckoning to represent the children of light.

And per the Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 prophecy, the coming false one at the middle of that symbolic "one week" is to end sacrifices in Jerusalem, and instead place the abomination that maketh desolate, i.e., an IDOL abomination at that temple.

Rev 11:4-8
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Why would anyone want to hurt those two witnesses? Who will be their enemies?

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

These two witnesses are coming to prophesy against Christ's enemies on earth, with His working miracles through them like in the days of Moses when God worked miracles through Moses against Pharaoh issuing plagues against Egypt.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

That "beast" is about that "dragon" of Revelation 13:4-8 that is to reign over all nations for that 42 months above. This definitely... reveals what timing these 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe Period events are about. It is about the time of "great tribulation" which Lord Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. That 42 months, or 1260 days begins with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL which Lord Jesus mentioned, and tied to the "great tribulation" at the end of this world.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That above verse makes it certain that those events will take place in the city of Jerusalem for the end of this world.

So be careful brethren if someone tries to tell you that "temple of God" there in Revelation 11 is about the future Ezekiel temple, for it is not. It instead will be the coming 3rd temple today's orthodox Jews already have the materials ready to build for this present world. That Daniel "abomination of desolation" prophecy requires... that standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem so that prophecy can be fulfilled. Don't allow any man to take that understanding away from you.