The Image And Likeness Of God

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

What is a an Angel, simply put, a messenger of God. If you have eyes to see you will see the same thing that God asked us to do ,in which He also did.

Just gonna drop this here

Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil;"...

Who are the children? Where was He(Christ) before being born of the Woman Mary, in other words He didn't ask us to do anything that He wouldn't, which includes being born flesh, I mean really ,do you actually think you were created at conception.

The Children are those same stars and sons of God from Job, what you need to understand is, had satan not rebelled we would not had been made flesh.

When do you think satan rebelled ?

What I see is you putting your assumptions and personal opinions in God's word. Hebrews 2:14 is quoting Isaiah 8:18. The children that Hebrews 2:14 is talking about is Isaiah and his children, his son's, who were as signs and portents to the people of Israel. Just as Isaiah and his son's were as signs and portents to the people of Israel so was Jesus the greater Isaiah a sign and portents to the people of Israel as we're Jesus Apostles and disciples. These scriptures are not talking about sons of God who are angels becoming humans. Now we know from the scriptures that Jesus Christ was originally from heaven. (John 3:13; 6:38,62; 8:23)but we have no scriptural support that is true of humanity. In fact in the various places in the book of John 3:13; 6:38,62; 8:23, Jesus was telling the difference between humanity and himself in that we meaning from Adam onward we are from the earth, we were not from heaven originally like Jesus was before he became human. That's the difference between Jesus and us in that he was from heaven we are not from heaven. Heaven was never our home originally like it was with Jesus.

 

[n2thelight]

What I see is you putting your assumptions and personal opinions in God's word. Hebrews 2:14 is quoting Isaiah 8:18. The children that Hebrews 2:14 is talking about is Isaiah and his children, his son's, who were as signs and portents to the people of Israel. Just as Isaiah and his son's were as signs and portents to the people of Israel so was Jesus the greater Isaiah a sign and portents to the people of Israel as we're Jesus Apostles and disciples. These scriptures are not talking about sons of God who are angels becoming humans. Now we know from the scriptures that Jesus Christ was originally from heaven. (John 3:13; 6:38,62; 8:23)but we have no scriptural support that is true of humanity. In fact in the various places in the book of John 3:13; 6:38,62; 8:23, Jesus was telling the difference between humanity and himself in that we meaning from Adam onward we are from the earth, we were not from heaven originally like Jesus was before he became human. That's the difference between Jesus and us in that he was from heaven we are not from heaven. Heaven was never our home originally like it was with Jesus.

John 3:12 "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Jesus is telling Nicodemus, now that I have told you where and how the soul has come into the flesh and departs to the Father; these things that are fleshly and you still can not understand. There is then no way that you can understand the revelation that Christ brought of the spiritual realm without the Spirit of God. It is impossible.

John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven."

Here now is the second witness to those things given, as to how you must be born from above. There is no way that you can make baptism out of this verse. It sums up the whole matter of being born from above.

No man, no one goes to heaven, but that he first was born from above. That soul must first be born of women, where the soul entered the womb at conception, and when the flesh body dies, it is returned to the father. There is not a living being on this earth, that did not come down from the Father first, and at death shall return to the Father. That is just plain common sense.

This doesn't mean that they are all going to have eternal life, but heaven is where the Father is, and that is where the judgment takes place. But what is meant here is in reference to obtaining salvation for their soul, or eternal life. All souls return to the Father, and many of those that do return will be condemned to destruction. The judgment takes place at the time of the great white throne judgment. Until that time, those sinning souls will stay right there in paradise where there is a great gulf between God and the sinning soul This is stated in the parable of the rich man, in Luke 16. There has been no soul destroyed to this date, that has passed on after death.

So what this thirteenth verse is saying, is about being born again. It means that you must be born from above. You can't be as those fallen angels, and take short-cuts, but it must be done according to God's plan of salvation.

We were never meant to be made flesh ,we were on this earth after it's creation in our spiritual bodies , the same body that we return to . God destroyed the earth at satans rebellion

 

[n2thelight]

Do you all understand what happened at the rebellion of satan ? When do you think it happened ,how did God ordain some before they were born.

Do a study on the Katabole

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Didn't know it was Jewish , but if that's what you wanna call it all good with me .

and the only proof you offer is that the sons of God sang on the fifth day of creation. that is not even nano thick evidence to establish a doctrine

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

n2thelight says:
John 3:12 "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Jesus is telling Nicodemus, now that I have told you where and how the soul has come into the flesh and departs to the Father; these things that are fleshly and you still can not understand. There is then no way that you can understand the revelation that Christ brought of the spiritual realm without the Spirit of God. It is impossible.[/Quote\]


No, that is not what being born again means. “Unless anyone is born from water and spirit,” Jesus explains, “he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” When Jesus was baptized and holy spirit descended upon him, he was born “from water and spirit.” By the accompanying declaration from heaven, ‘This is my Son whom I have approved,’ God announced that he had brought forth a spiritual son having the prospect of entering into the heavenly Kingdom. Later, at Pentecost 33 C.E., other baptized jews received holy spirit and we're also born again as spiritual sons of God.

What is said at John 3:12 has nothing to do with as you say Jesus explaining to Nicodemus where and how the soul has come into the flesh and departs to the father, that's a personal opinion, nowhere in this scripture is it saying that. There is no scriptural support for that.

The role of God’s Only Begotten Son becoming human is vital. “Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,” Jesus tells Nicodemus, “so the Son of man must be lifted up, that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life.” Yes you see just as those Israelites bitten by poisonous snakes had to look at the copper serpent to be saved, so all humans need to exercise faith in God’s Son to be saved from their dying condition.

Stressing Jehovah’s loving role in this, Jesus next tells Nicodemus: “God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”

Jesus goes on to explain further to Nicodemus: “For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world,” that is, not to judge it adversely, or condemn it, sentencing the human race to destruction. Rather, as Jesus says, he was sent “for the world to be saved through him.”[/Quote\]

n2thelight said:
John 3:13-And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven."

Here now is the second witness to those things given, as to how you must be born from above. There is no way that you can make baptism out of this verse. It sums up the whole matter of being born from above.

No man, no one goes to heaven, but that he first was born from above. That soul must first be born of women, where the soul entered the womb at conception, and when the flesh body dies, it is returned to the father. There is not a living being on this earth, that did not come down from the Father first, and at death shall return to the Father. That is just plain common sense.[/Quote\]

Nowhere are the scriptures stating this, again this is personal opinion which has no scriptural support.

Jesus was telling Nicodemus that he had been in heaven with his Father from the beginning of creation, had descended from heaven and was in a position to instruct him about heavenly matters. This wasn't true of any other person because no other person other than the Only Begotten Son of God, from Adam onward had ever been in heaven to instruct anyone about heavenly matters.

Jesus was telling Nicodemus if he couldn't accept this instruction that there was no other way he could gain the knowledge he wanted because no man had ascended to heaven to get such knowledge and came back down to earth with it. You, well everyone, must accept this fact that Jesus is the only person who lived in heaven before becoming human to be able to teach us about heavenly matters.

Also as you said, the story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable not an actual event that happened. In other words the parable meant something other than what was actually said.