The Image Of God

[th1b.taylor]

Many are they that cry out against God for the unfairness of it all. They are protesting their sin nature (Rom. 3:10,23) inherited from the father of mankind Adam. But the truth is that, for a couple of, and perhaps more reasons it can be no other way. I'm stepping off the deep end here to cause thought, meditation on the Word of God and research into that same Word.




God created Adam in His own image and that is an entire subject, by itself. Many have determined that God has the physical appearance of a man, but does He? Is that the image God created man in? I think not. We see in the first three chapters of the Holy Bible that God created the star, planets, universes and critters of the Earth and finished His creation with His most cherished creation, man. When we read the beginning of the Bible we see that God walked in the cool of the evening with Adam, God loved Adam. For this reason it follows that the man, created in the image of God, can also love. When we look at young men and women today, heck, look at our own youth, at the courtship rituals we went through, we spent time with our perspective mates expressing our love for them. Can you see the image of God?




Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will! A very similar free will to that of our Creator. We are much like our Father and yet, because of our free will we are different. My physical appearance is a combination of my mother's father and my birth father. My grandfather was a farming railroader and my birth father was a cab driving alcoholic but because of my free will I am a Christian that chose to follow my step-father into military service in Aviation. Just as Adam was made perfect, in God's image and chose to sin, in like manor I did my best to leave the bad behind me and be an honorable man who followed God. But as hard as I've tried, I still look like my father, in many ways.




My point is and what I wish for you to consider is that we inherited certain qualities from God, our Creator but we also inherited certain qualities from Adam and Adam used his free will to sin. We, having that same free will, do not have to live in the sin of our choice! As men and women, of the image of the most Holy God, we can choose to live a holy life, separated to God. We can also choose to eat, drink and be merry and die, the choice is one we make by choosing God or by refusing to choose. In either case we make a choice that we will be bound to for eternity.

 

[TexUs]

Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will!

Says your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective.


Not that I disagree with this in the context of the point you are trying to make, but you are arriving at conclusions based upon your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective.

Just as Adam was made perfect, in God's image and chose to sin, in like manor I did my best to leave the bad behind me and be an honorable man who followed God. But as hard as I've tried, I still look like my father, in many ways.

God cannot sin or be tempted by it.
Adam can.

How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems?

 

[bud02]

Says your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective.


Not that I disagree with this in the context of the point you are trying to make, but you are arriving at conclusions based upon your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective.


God cannot sin or be tempted by it.
Adam can.

How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems?

Is such a question still such a mystery to you?

 

[th1b.taylor]

How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems?

It is extremely tempting to use your "Says your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective" nonsense but in the end it will be just as senseless as it is when you used it. I am going to defer answering your query until you show me, in the scriptures, the basis for your conclusion.

Is such a question still such a mystery to you?

Thank you Bud.

 

[aspen]

Many are they that cry out against God for the unfairness of it all. They are protesting their sin nature (Rom. 3:10,23) inherited from the father of mankind Adam. But the truth is that, for a couple of, and perhaps more reasons it can be no other way. I'm stepping off the deep end here to cause thought, meditation on the Word of God and research into that same Word.




God created Adam in His own image and that is an entire subject, by itself. Many have determined that God has the physical appearance of a man, but does He? Is that the image God created man in? I think not. We see in the first three chapters of the Holy Bible that God created the star, planets, universes and critters of the Earth and finished His creation with His most cherished creation, man. When we read the beginning of the Bible we see that God walked in the cool of the evening with Adam, God loved Adam. For this reason it follows that the man, created in the image of God, can also love. When we look at young men and women today, heck, look at our own youth, at the courtship rituals we went through, we spent time with our perspective mates expressing our love for them. Can you see the image of God?




Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will! A very similar free will to that of our Creator. We are much like our Father and yet, because of our free will we are different. My physical appearance is a combination of my mother's father and my birth father. My grandfather was a farming railroader and my birth father was a cab driving alcoholic but because of my free will I am a Christian that chose to follow my step-father into military service in Aviation. Just as Adam was made perfect, in God's image and chose to sin, in like manor I did my best to leave the bad behind me and be an honorable man who followed God. But as hard as I've tried, I still look like my father, in many ways.




My point is and what I wish for you to consider is that we inherited certain qualities from God, our Creator but we also inherited certain qualities from Adam and Adam used his free will to sin. We, having that same free will, do not have to live in the sin of our choice! As men and women, of the image of the most Holy God, we can choose to live a holy life, separated to God. We can also choose to eat, drink and be merry and die, the choice is one we make by choosing God or by refusing to choose. In either case we make a choice that we will be bound to for eternity.

Wow - I agree with a lot of this post.

The only thing I would add is that I believe we forgot how to love like God after Adam sinned. Christ is the only way we can learn how to love like God again - this is sanctification and preparation for our citizenship in Heaven. It is only through sanctification that we can choose to love like God - without Christ we are lost.

 

[TexUs]

It is extremely tempting to use your "Says your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective" nonsense but in the end it will be just as senseless as it is when you used it.

Exactly right. That's why I base my beliefs on the Bible and will gladly admit when I am drawing a human line between things.
Whereas this conclusion is found nowhere in the Bible: "Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will!" And to create an entire doctrine around something not found in the Bible is very questionable.
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[font=tahoma][font=arial][quote="th1b.taylor, post: 103736"][/font][/font]I am going to defer answering your query until you show me, in the scriptures, the basis for your conclusion.[/quote]
What conclusion are you speaking of?

Aside from my comments regarding your assumption and my question all I've stated is:
God cannot sin or be tempted by it.
Adam can.


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[font="tahoma][size="2"]James 1:13 tells us God can't sin.[/size][/font]
[font="tahoma][size="2"]Romans 5:12 tells us Adam sinned.[/size][/font]

 

[th1b.taylor]

Exactly right. That's why I base my beliefs on the Bible and will gladly admit when I am drawing a human line between things.
Whereas this conclusion is found nowhere in the Bible: "[font="tahoma]Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will!" And to create an entire doctrine around something not found in the Bible is very questionable. [/font]
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What conclusion are you speaking of?

Aside from my comments regarding your assumption and my question all I've stated is:
[font="tahoma][size="2"]God cannot sin or be tempted by it.
Adam can.[/size][/font]
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[font="tahoma][size="2"]James 1:13 tells us God can't sin.[/size][/font]
[font="tahoma][size="2"]Romans 5:12 tells us Adam sinned.[/size][/font]

You posited the question, "How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems?" that without having drawn some, still, unknown conclusion would seem very strange to me. If you will go back and read my post through, you will see that my purpose was never to establish a doctrine and the idea that you would assume I did just astounds me. You must read into the post that, which i was careful to guard against being possible because I am daily accosted on some forum for what I never said.

I'll have a go at your question, even though you are being difficult and not giving any parameters to work with. I can see no contradiction. I'll use an ezampe that is weak but there are none that are any better suited either. If I look in the mirror, I see the image of myself looking back at me. The image is not me, it is different and yet it is exactly the same except for imperceivable flaws in the surface. Adam was not God, he was different. God was and God is Spirit and while man has a spirit, he is flesh and bone. God is infinite but man is finite. The list goes on and on but I'm sure you see my point. If, perchance, you do not see my point, please, read the Ten Commandments, they are the perfect word picture of God, then read the rest of the Old Testament, man is very good at disobedience.

 

[bud02]

That's very nice of you to offer an alternate explanation th1b.taylor.

I HAVE LITTLE patients with people that study the bible then respond to the problem of mans separation from God With.......How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems? The bible from Gen to Rev addresses that very issue. That statement or rather question does nothing but belittles your heart felt post, and magnifies his ignorance. As I posted, its clear that salvation is a mystery to some that consider themselves knowledgeable. God Bless the grace you have received and extended to those that mock you. Your defender is all powerful and will not be made a fool of.

Psalm 59
[sup]8[/sup] But You, O LORD, shall laugh at them;
You shall have all the nations in derision.
[sup]9[/sup] I will wait for You, O You his Strength;[sup][b][/sup]
For God is my defense.
[sup]10[/sup] My God of mercy[sup][c][/sup] shall come to meet me;
God shall let me see my desire on my enemies.

[sup]11[/sup] Do not slay them, lest my people forget;
Scatter them by Your power,
And bring them down,
O Lord our shield.
[sup]12[/sup] For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips,
Let them even be taken in their pride,
And for the cursing and lying which they speak.
[sup]13[/sup] Consume them in wrath, consume them,
That they may not be;
And let them know that God rules in Jacob
To the ends of the earth. Selah

 

[TexUs]

You posited the question, "How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems?" that without having drawn some, still, unknown conclusion would seem very strange to me.

You believe we are different than God because of, and I quote: "My point is and what I wish for you to consider is that we inherited certain qualities from God, our Creator but we also inherited certain qualities from Adam and Adam used his free will to sin."
So the question is where did Adam inherit his from. That was why I asked the question to get you thinking about this.


The nearest I can come from your post is "free will". Even if both parties have free will, the question that remains is why did Adam sin if he was made in the image of God and God cannot sin?


You might say, "Satan did it". To which I'd say, why was Adam able to chose sin when God doesn't or can't? Look at Christ in the desert, for example, Satan's offer to Christ was similar to that of his offer to Eve's, Christ was able to resist- Adam and Eve were not... If they are made in the same image of him- how is this possible?


The concluding answer should be that the free will wasn't the defining factor in why Adam and Eve did what they did. Hence my original comments and hence my objection to the entire doctrine of it- it was not central.
Both had free will (Godhead and Adam and Eve). So both, presumably, had the equal abilities to chose right and wrong. The Godhead can't and doesn't- the Godhead will never chose wrong. But man can.


So notice: free will is the commonality between the two. Free will was not a determining factor, here. Hence my objection to your conclusions regarding it. It's not the central reason at all.


So what is the factor?

 

[TexUs]

Also perhaps worth looking at as a relevant side-topic is why James opted to use the language of God being unable to be tempted.
James doesn't say he just choses not to, he says he's unable to.

I don't think anyone here would believe God is abiding by some higher power than his own so one must ask yourself- why the curious language from James?

<And where I am going with this, I think is still relevant to the "image of God" thing at hand>

 

[th1b.taylor]

You believe we are different than God because of, and I quote: "My point is and what I wish for you to consider is that we inherited certain qualities from God, our Creator but we also inherited certain qualities from Adam and Adam used his free will to sin."
So the question is where did Adam inherit his from. That was why I asked the question to get you thinking about this.


The nearest I can come from your post is "free will". Even if both parties have free will, the question that remains is why did Adam sin if he was made in the image of God and God cannot sin?


You might say, "Satan did it". To which I'd say, why was Adam able to chose sin when God doesn't or can't? Look at Christ in the desert, for example, Satan's offer to Christ was similar to that of his offer to Eve's, Christ was able to resist- Adam and Eve were not... If they are made in the same image of him- how is this possible?


The concluding answer should be that the free will wasn't the defining factor in why Adam and Eve did what they did. Hence my original comments and hence my objection to the entire doctrine of it- it was not central.
Both had free will (Godhead and Adam and Eve). So both, presumably, had the equal abilities to chose right and wrong. The Godhead can't and doesn't- the Godhead will never chose wrong. But man can.

So notice: free will is the commonality between the two. Free will was not a determining factor, here. Hence my objection to your conclusions regarding it. It's not the central reason at all.

So what is the factor?

Having been a professional soldier I have had some amazing men, from both ends of the IQ spectrum, serve under me and still you either just took the cake for the lack of cognitive reasoning or you are trolling. But here goes! I have free will and i have decided to serve God and yet both of my brothers have free will and have decided to serve Satan and go to Hell. Same heritage, same bloodline and all of us the image of our father but we parted ways at the fence, they entered the wide gate and I chose the narrow gate. This is given to you in the sense of a metaphor to illustrate the false statements you have presented here and it is an accurate illustration that you are trolling, nobody is that stupid. The only commonality in free will is that we, the angels and our Heavenly Father have one.
At that point commonality ceases!

If you post any more gibberish, attempting to tick me off, I'll ignore you. Post honest, thoughtful questions or thoughts and I'll be happy to respond. Right now, you almost make me ashamed to admit I'm a Texan.

 

[TexUs]

You believe we are different than God because of, and I quote: "My point is and what I wish for you to consider is that we inherited certain qualities from God, our Creator but we also inherited certain qualities from Adam and Adam used his free will to sin."
So the question is where did Adam inherit his from. That was why I asked the question to get you thinking about this.


The nearest I can come from your post is "free will". Even if both parties have free will, the question that remains is why did Adam sin if he was made in the image of God and God cannot sin?


You might say, "Satan did it". To which I'd say, why was Adam able to chose sin when God doesn't or can't? Look at Christ in the desert, for example, Satan's offer to Christ was similar to that of his offer to Eve's, Christ was able to resist- Adam and Eve were not... If they are made in the same image of him- how is this possible?


The concluding answer should be that the free will wasn't the defining factor in why Adam and Eve did what they did. Hence my original comments and hence my objection to the entire doctrine of it- it was not central.
Both had free will (Godhead and Adam and Eve). So both, presumably, had the equal abilities to chose right and wrong. The Godhead can't and doesn't- the Godhead will never chose wrong. But man can.

So notice: free will is the commonality between the two. Free will was not a determining factor, here. Hence my objection to your conclusions regarding it. It's not the central reason at all.

So what is the factor?

Having been a professional soldier I have had some amazing men, from both ends of the IQ spectrum, serve under me and still you either just took the cake for the lack of cognitive reasoning or you are trolling. But here goes! I have free will and i have decided to serve God and yet both of my brothers have free will and have decided to serve Satan and go to Hell. Same heritage, same bloodline and all of us the image of our father but we parted ways at the fence, they entered the wide gate and I chose the narrow gate. This is given to you in the sense of a metaphor to illustrate the false statements you have presented here and it is an accurate illustration that you are trolling, nobody is that stupid. The only commonality in free will is that we, the angels and our Heavenly Father have one.
At that point commonality ceases!

If you post any more gibberish, attempting to tick me off, I'll ignore you. Post honest, thoughtful questions or thoughts and I'll be happy to respond. Right now, you almost make me ashamed to admit I'm a Texan.

I'm sorry but I believe you're the one lacking cognitive reasoning because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.

I'll simplify it and try to go one thought at a time.
We start with the assumption that God and Man both have free unrestricted will.

1) Man is tempted- man falls
2) God is tempted- God doesn't fall

Why is this?
If we both have the same "will" power- why does man fall where God doesn't, especially if we are created in his image? Remember, your assumption of free unrestricted will would dictate that man has as much ability to refuse temptation as God does. That's what "free" will is.

Thus- it's a contradiction. Our ability to refuse temptation is not the same as God's. We cannot have the same will as God because the Scriptures are quite clear God is UNABLE to sin. Did you note what James said? UNABLE. Not "God doesn't chose to", but: UNABLE.
But we are ABLE. This right here is a plain as day thing to tell you that God's will and our own are not the same.
Thus using the assumption of "Our wills are the same" to arrive at your conclusions about the ability to love, is fallacious: because the starting assumption is wrong.


Now- if you want to explore what the reality is regarding God's will and our own, we can do that. But until you see how your beginning assumptions are flawed it'd be a waste of time discussion.

 

[paul1234]

Many are they that cry out against God for the unfairness of it all. They are protesting their sin nature (Rom. 3:10,23) inherited from the father of mankind Adam. But the truth is that, for a couple of, and perhaps more reasons it can be no other way. I'm stepping off the deep end here to cause thought, meditation on the Word of God and research into that same Word.




God created Adam in His own image and that is an entire subject, by itself. Many have determined that God has the physical appearance of a man, but does He? Is that the image God created man in? I think not. We see in the first three chapters of the Holy Bible that God created the star, planets, universes and critters of the Earth and finished His creation with His most cherished creation, man. When we read the beginning of the Bible we see that God walked in the cool of the evening with Adam, God loved Adam. For this reason it follows that the man, created in the image of God, can also love. When we look at young men and women today, heck, look at our own youth, at the courtship rituals we went through, we spent time with our perspective mates expressing our love for them. Can you see the image of God?




Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will! A very similar free will to that of our Creator. We are much like our Father and yet, because of our free will we are different. My physical appearance is a combination of my mother's father and my birth father. My grandfather was a farming railroader and my birth father was a cab driving alcoholic but because of my free will I am a Christian that chose to follow my step-father into military service in Aviation. Just as Adam was made perfect, in God's image and chose to sin, in like manor I did my best to leave the bad behind me and be an honorable man who followed God. But as hard as I've tried, I still look like my father, in many ways.




My point is and what I wish for you to consider is that we inherited certain qualities from God, our Creator but we also inherited certain qualities from Adam and Adam used his free will to sin. We, having that same free will, do not have to live in the sin of our choice! As men and women, of the image of the most Holy God, we can choose to live a holy life, separated to God. We can also choose to eat, drink and be merry and die, the choice is one we make by choosing God or by refusing to choose. In either case we make a choice that we will be bound to for eternity.

Hello there I am sorry to here the way people answered you these are Jesus Christ words when people mock you on account of me be glad rich is your reward in heaven Jesus would also say this for give them farther for they no not what they do Jesus said these words if any man hits you give him the other cheek yes is yes and no is no any think more comes from the evil one the evil one teaches them personally

Satan ways are in all of us we are all corrupted by him we all need to prey to god for his grace to change us we all NEED gods grace to become Christ like he will give to any one that asks



Sin came from Satan is dose not come from god because we all come from Adam and eve we all have one or more of there DNA in us but we don’t look like them god made us in the like ness of his image so we look a bit like him



So we can not ever blame god for sin god hate sin it SATAN loves it he has come to troy us all in with him to the lake of fire he hate man and god his torment will go for ever AMEN to that



IT’S REALLY INPORTANT YOU READ ROMAN CHAPTER 8 about

It take about sin nature god gives us his holy spirit and that testifies with are own spirit that we belong to Christ and is we don’t not have it holy spirit we call out Abba farther and his will give it to us the holy spirit its leads us in life I will add you to my friends list and do the some for me

 

[th1b.taylor]

I'm sorry but I believe you're the one lacking cognitive reasoning because you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.

I'll simplify it and try to go one thought at a time.
We start with the assumption that God and Man both have free unrestricted will.

1) Man is tempted- man falls
2) God is tempted- God doesn't fall

Why is this?
If we both have the same "will" power- why does man fall where God doesn't, especially if we are created in his image? Remember, your assumption of free unrestricted will would dictate that man has as much ability to refuse temptation as God does. That's what "free" will is.

Thus- it's a contradiction. Our ability to refuse temptation is not the same as God's. We cannot have the same will as God because the Scriptures are quite clear God is UNABLE to sin. Did you note what James said? UNABLE. Not "God doesn't chose to", but: UNABLE.
But we are ABLE. This right here is a plain as day thing to tell you that God's will and our own are not the same.
Thus using the assumption of "Our wills are the same" to arrive at your conclusions about the ability to love, is fallacious: because the starting assumption is wrong.


Now- if you want to explore what the reality is regarding God's will and our own, we can do that. But until you see how your beginning assumptions are flawed it'd be a waste of time discussion.

And because you have yet to grasp my answer I'll answer you redundant question with the same, never changing answer, there is no contradiction outside of your imagination and I reiterate, I do not belive anyone is a stupid as you are pretending to be, you're a troll! Either that or you have never read your copy of the scriptures. Before God created Adam, the perfect man, He created Lucifer, the perfect angel! Lucifer, like God had a free will and he and about a third of the, total, angelic population decided to sin, God and the other two thirds chose to live holy lives.

If you are truly not a troll, and it is difficult to believe that, you are either quite ignorant or at the very least unfamiliar with the whole of scripture. You continue to harp on that one passage in James as if the rest of the Bible does not exist. On top of that you have yet to read and to comprehend the OP! You're intent on arguing against a doctrine I have never taught, not in this nor in any other string on any web site on the WWW. But aside from that this entire endeavor you have launched off on is of no profit to anyone, it just makes you, to the lost man, a representative of God, look foolish, you can't even determine to agree to disagree!

 

[TexUs]

When one can't answer questions with more than, "You're stupid"... I think it speaks volumes as to who isn't educated in the subject.

 

[bud02]

When one can't answer questions with more than, "You're stupid"... I think it speaks volumes as to who isn't educated in the subject.

Can I direct your attention to post #2 ......" your post "

Says your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective.


Not that I disagree with this in the context of the point you are trying to make, but you are arriving at conclusions based upon your limited, fallible, tiny human perspective.


God cannot sin or be tempted by it.
Adam can.

How do you suppose we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory "image of God" problems?

It would seem that you are guilty of implying "your stupid" long before th1b.taylor did.
Don't men of the world call this......... the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[TexUs]

My point was he was using his human assumptions to arrive at conclusions.
That's my beef. What's the Bible actually say, verses what you are assuming it supporting.

His assumption was that men and God both have the same will, and because of this is why we can love... That's not stated anywhere in Scripture.
The rest of my postings are simply trying to show him that man and God don't have the same will.

 

[bud02]

My point was he was using his human assumptions to arrive at conclusions.
That's my beef. What's the Bible actually say, verses what you are assuming it supporting.

His assumption was that men and God both have the same will, and because of this is why we can love... That's not stated anywhere in Scripture.
The rest of my postings are simply trying to show him that man and God don't have the same will.

And you do that by making statements as you did in your first post. I don't believe that's a very effective way of reasoning together.
As I know from personal experience with you in our discussion about hell, you were not at all interested in reading the links I provided. But instead chose to continue the division, similar to this thread. You enter the topic or conversation like a bull in a china shop, myself as well as Mr Taylor find the solution is to exit as I did in the other thread, or continue in your mannerism and destroy everything in sight. Take a piece of advice from someone that has managed people for many years, the manager sets the tenor. If you look for peace or disunion you will surly find it. Gal 6:7-8

 

[TexUs]

In your thread about Hell you didn't post scripture- that was your problem. You claimed you did yet when pressed you couldn't produce.


I suppose I'm tired of people adding to the Bible: "Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will!" adding to it that which isn't there so I started out this particular thread wrong.
Taylor, I apologize for that.


However, I still stand on my position of the matter.

 

[bud02]

In your thread about Hell you didn't post scripture- that was your problem. You claimed you did yet when pressed you couldn't produce.


I suppose I'm tired of people adding to the Bible: "[font="tahoma][size="2"]Or a man or a woman to love they, absolutely, must have free will!" adding to it that which isn't there so I started out this particular thread wrong.[/size][/font]
[font="tahoma][size="2"]Taylor, I apologize for that.[/size][/font]
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[font="tahoma][size="2"]However, I still stand on my position of the matter.[/size][/font]

I did give you the links to what I was speaking about. Lots and lots of scriptural references.
http://www.christian...dpost__p__98396

To which you replied. Your statement indicates you have no intention of listening-------- see underlined

The only person not reading is you. Scripture has been posting affirming torment.

Next you make it clear you have no intention of reading the links and then talking about it.

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[b]Also, bud, if you can't formulate your own opinions I won't be discussing anything farther with you unless you can articulate your own arguments verses a copy and paste job [/b]from [url="http://www.thetruthabouthell.org/"]http://www.thetruthabouthell.org/[/url]

To which I replied. to your above statement.

Its a time consuming process and as I suspected as it usually is, nobody cares to evaluate their personal understanding or rather what they have been taught and simply accept without question.

So I'm not going to waste my time writing the very same thing that can be accomplished with a C/P. I've said my piece and you have said yours, so there is really nothing more to discuss is there?
Is it a salvation breaker? or will it cause you to not enter into Gods rest? I doubt it, but it will IMO prevent you from understanding the full counsel of God.

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?