Not unlike what you're doing here.
The BIBLE only knows about TWO kinds of body parts: the "mortal" and the "resurrection".
It knows nothing of your ridiculous idea of "disembodied body parts".
If your stupendously asinine logic was true, the Rich Man would not have asked Abraham to "send" legless Lazarus, but to "carry" legless Lazarus.
The natural man only thinks of natural bodies and body parts.
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The only resurrected body will be that of the natural body.
The eyes and ears of the soul are spiritual only, and are not body parts as that of flesh.
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Eyeballs and eardrums of flesh and blood, are not the eyes and ears the soul sees and hears with, even in hell.
The danger is those refusing to see and hear with the eyes and ears of the soul, and only consider eyeballs, eardrums, and brain matter of flesh to be all there is to life: it's called carnal mindedness that only minds earthly things.
Oh, so now "great gulf" is symbolic instead of literal? Thanks for proving my point that the passage is a symbolic parable that requires interpretation to get the meaning of what Jesus was teaching ;)
At the time, there was a literally fixed place for souls in hell, and so there was a literally fixed great gulf between those in the flames, and those in Abraham's bosom.
Seeing the true significance of literal things, whether natural or spiritual, does not take away from their literal truth. The same is for the saving significance today, as seen in the children of Israel crossing the Red Sea on dry ground:
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
The fact that there is a significant teaching from an event, does not mean the event did not take place. In the matter of the rich man in hell, you are as the natural minded readers of the Bible, that seek an allegorical significance of crossing the Red Sea on dry ground, and then dismiss the event as symbolic only.
You seem to have not gotten the memo that when both man and beast dies, the spirit "returns to God Who gave it" and is not deposited in some made up, subterranean chamber of fire idea that was dragged into Christianity from paganism by the Roman catholic church.
The soul goes to hell or into the presence of the Lord. The spirit that gives the physical body life returns to the Lord, and will be given again to the bodies of the souls at the resurrection of the dead at the judgement.
The Hades of spiritual theology in Greek paganism is confirmed in Scripture as true, in that the souls depart to the underworld and heart of the heart, beneath the tombs with dead flesh. But the manner of it is corrected. It's the same with many such things of the pagan world, such as the flood of Gilgamesh, the resurrecting Sphinx, and even the Centaurs in Revelation 9.
Man has a kernel of truth, and the devil perverts into something else, in order to muddy the clear truth of the Scriptural record.
You also didn't get the other memo that God's plan is to "reserve the unjust unto the day of Judgment to be punished". See those bold type words? They indicate a future period of post-Judgment punishment for the wicked,
Correct, first reserved fixed in prison of hell, and then after formal judgment in presence of God on the throne, adn then into the lake of fire.
but your asinine logic is the equivalent of unjustly sending a man to prison before he even goes on trial and is found guilty, but of course you do because you think "mortal man is more just than God".
As I've said before, those who are willing to twist Scripture, will have no problem in twisting the words of others.
No man is more just than God, but all souls and angels are immortal as God, and only the just shall be with God forever, while the unjust will be separated from God forever in shame and contempt.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
First hell and then the judgment and then the lake of fire.
Listen to his words, people!
".. so that a soul in flames could talk..."
Good gravy, in what universe can a man with his mere pinky put to the flames carry on an intelligent conversation, let alone his entire body?
Not my words, but Jesus':
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
You just keep proving the point of your own natural mindedness. You haven't even enough rational awareness to see what you are doing, even while doing it.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Please stop twisting Scripture.
You're only upset, because I've concluded your teaching to be false without trying to argue your scholarship, but by Scripture only.
There are two Scriptures alone that rebuke you, and you refuse to hear it:
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Everything else is just a side show of Scriptural exercise in correction.
In this parable, the "great gulf" blocked travel between the Rich Man and Lazarus alone - it was Abraham himself - not the "great gulf" - not Lazarus' travel to the five brothers which was blocked by Abraham, saying if they "hear not Moses and the prophets, they'll not believe though one (Lazarus) rose from the dead"...which is exactly what happened! When the real Lazarus - not the parabolic Lazarus - was raised, did the Jews believe? NO! They went away to take counsel on how they might destroy both Jesus and Lazarus.
Now, you've left all sense. The lame beggar Lazarus was not the friend of Jesus, that walked out of the tomb.
In any case, it would not count the time in hell as being parable only.
You're an expert at dodging challenges, friend. Are you ever going to show us the Scripture that proves your idea of "disembodied soul bodies"???
I've responded to each of your challenges distinctly. You have yet to respond to any of mine in detail, other than out of hand dismissals. Nor have you responded to the two Scriptures, that prove your challenges are from your own natural mind only.
Are you ever going to show us the Scripture that proves your idea of "disembodied soul bodies"???
Like with the OSAS believers, if you have anything new to offer, then I'd be glad to see it, but otherwise, I've already responded twice to the rest of your repetitive mantras.
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.
The reason for this Scripture, is because such endless debates become unedifying and tiresome to anyone serious about the truth of Scripture. Argument for the sake of argument only, is just intellectual stimulation for the natural mind.
