did John the Baptist get it right or wrong - does the Lamb of God take away the sin or sins of the world - winc
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According to Aramaic scripture which I personally believe is the primacy of scripture, the word used was "sins".
"sin" can be plural in some cases
"he was full of sin" is plural and sins in that case wouldn't sound correct
so does the Lamb of God take away the sin of Adam or all sins
He dealt with them both, spiritually speaking, but you won't get your 'sins' forgiven until you ask Him to, and you won't have victory over 'the sin' which causes you to commit sins, until you become at-one with Him in His death on your behalf - baptised into His death - and raised in Him to walk in newness of life as a new creature, full of the Holy Spirit. There was a lot going on at Calvary!
methinks there is a lot going on here as well - like the good thief and the others who had their sins forgiven without Baptism etc and before Calvary - winc
Of course this is not main stream teaching.
Did you read Romans chpt 5?No-one can expect to be saved without coming to Christ with repentance, believing in Him; but He did die for the sin of the whole world.
Did you read Romans chpt 5?
Look at verse 18.
Oh and 1 Corinthians 15:21-22
The point is all will bow a knee and every tongue will confess one day..
Bowing is submission & confessing leads to salvation
I don't disagree much with you here. except the name of our Messiach was not Jesus but Yeshua. Jesus is Greek for Sons of Zeus.Hi Isreal,
I'm aware you are implying that all men will be saved. My point is that only those who are 'in Christ' will be saved, and, that the New Testament has a great deal to say about what being 'in Christ' means and looks like and feels like and acts like.
Simply confessing that Jesus Christ, whom God has exalted on High and given a name above every other name, is Lord, is the kind of mental assent which acknowledges who is king or president. It is not sufficient connection with Him, to save a person.
They have to believe with their heart into Him for their own salvation unto righteousness. This necessitates a whole-hearted turning from sin and all its values (idolatry of all kinds). That is not what either Isa 45:23 or Phil 2:8, 9, 10, 11 is saying.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
To believe as described in Romans 10, there needs to be an understanding of Christ's sacrifice for sin. Isa 45:25 brings Phil 2:8 into focus with regard to Rom 5:1, 2 - justification by faith:
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham..... 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Rom 6:3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
We know that demons who 'believe and tremble' are not going to be saved. Confessing that Jesus is Lord is a mere statement of fact. It's not an act of faith in any way. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
In fact, the very compulsion involved in the unwilling confession described, goes entirely against God's invitation to believe freely.
Hi winc,
Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
There is nothing about Jesus becoming 'Saviour' to people 'in spite of' themselves. Rom 2:4
Dividing the word properly takes time.Hi winc and Isreal,
Thank you for your posts to me. I will use the SacredNameBible when quoting, Isreal. www.sacrednamebible.com
I have, in the past, winc, researched 1 Cor 15 as suggested, and the same difficulty arises as with all the other references to 'all' 'in Christ'. The eternal work accomplished by Messiah for the whole of mankind - which I fully agree He did accomplish through His life, death and resurrection - is appropriated by individuals only by faith. Gal 3:7, 8, 9, 14, 27, 29 Many, many Israelites worshipped idols and practised abominations instead of worshipping Yahweh. They were cut off. Paul says in 2 Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
Look at what Jesus said in John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Jesus makes a clear distinction between those who believe and those who do not, as does Paul.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of ELOHIYM without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of ELOHIYM which is by faith of YAHSHUA MASHIYACH unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [that is: no difference between Jews and Gentiles.]
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of ELOHIYM;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in MASHIYACH YAHSHUA:
25 Whom ELOHIYM hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of EL;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in YAHSHUA.
Beware of any gospel which says those who chose to turn away from Yahweh - Gen 26:5 - will be saved with those who believed.
It is true that Yeshua's blood redeemed the whole of creation, and cleanses the heavenlies as well as the souls of those who believe, but there are many verses in scripture which indicate that Yahweh has given every person who ever lived or will live, sufficient evidence of His presence, goodness, truth and love, that upon their rejection of Him, He will reject them. This is included in Messiah's teachings.
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of YHVH shall be saved.
Dividing the word properly takes time.
One thing you are not yet seeing like most of the world is John 3:16 saves the believer now.
.Those who never are drawn are still justified through the righteousness of Yeshua. Romans 5:18
People see death as he finish line. Isn't it possible that YHWH can save everyone later?
The apostles asked Yehsua "but who can be saved?"
He didn't really answer them but said "with man it is impossible but with YHWH all things are possible:"
All things could mean that YHWH shall save every son of Adam? That is what Romans 5 says over and over.
Man on the other hand has a difficult time seeing YHWH as salvation for all.
We have to stop and acknowledge the apparent contradictions and then we can rightly divide the word.
Yeshua is salvation
Shlama
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