The Lord Jesus Christ and the Curse of the Law

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Record: Gal 3 :3–14

BECAUSE none kept it perfectly, the Law cursed all under it.

So far from it being, as many Jews thought, a means whereby men could attain to life it was found to be an effective barrier to life—to be in fact something that by its cursing cut men off from life. The Law made evident man’s impotence and therefore the need for divine action if men were to be saved.

Paul has already referred to that divine action in His son “who gave himself for our sins” (Gal 1:4), “who gave himself for me” in being crucified (Gal 2:20). For Paul’s argument concerning the inefficacy of the Law as a way to life to be complete, Christ’s work must not only be shown in relation to the personal needs of men who are by conduct sinners and by nature death-stricken, but he must show that Christ has removed the curse of law—the law which not only could not give life, but which sentenced men to death. In fact, if Christ is the Redeemer he must of necessity redeem those under the curse of Law from that curse. The very contrast “Law cursed—Christ redeemed from the curse” is an absolute and final refutation of the Judaizers’ claims.

It is Christ who has done this: of course Christ is Jesus—but by saying Christ did it, Paul indicates that it is the Messiah who has removed the curse. He will say in the next breath the curse was removed by his crucifixion—by that very death which was so scandalous in the eyes of the Jew. And instead of the cross establishing, as the Jew thought, that the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah were blasphemy, the cross proved that Jesus was the Messiah. Paul here defends his teaching by a frontal attack on the Jewish position, affirming that it was required of the exalted and glorified King of Israel that he should suffer and die for men’s sins as a condition of honour and glory. The scandal of the cross becomes the occasion of glory—“I will know nothing”, says Paul, “but Messiah Jesus and him a crucified one”. This argument that Old Testament prophecy demanded that the Messiah must be one who first gave his life as an offering for sins turned the objection of the Jews into a convincing proof to all willing to weigh the evidence. The apostles were not slow to use it; of the many illustrations, Peter in Acts 2 and Paul in Heb. 2: 9, 10, are conspicuous examples—but the thought is implicit here when Paul says Christ—the Messiah—hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law.

How has the curse of the Law been “bought off”?—for so the word translated redeemed in this place literally means. Paul answers: by Messiah “being made a curse for us”; for us, not instead of us; but for us in that he has come under the curse of the Law that he might take it away for himself and for us; for us, in that we, by faith identifying ourselves with him in his submission to the curse, share with him in the results, in the removal of the curse from us.

It is clear that when Paul says Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law, he means those who were under the law, “us” Jews. But the principle by which this curse of law has been taken away is identical with that by which the curse of sin and death has been removed. When the principle in the latter case has been understood, the way in which the law-curse was done away is not difficult of perception. Let us now follow Paul’s thought concerning how Christ has removed the curse of the law. Christ has been made a curse; he elsewhere says that he was “made under the law”, and while this is a related thing it is yet something much more significant when he says he was “made a curse”. If we put the statement in the concrete form instead of the abstract—which Paul was led to use because he had just spoken of the curse of the law in connection with others—then it is declared that Jesus was accursed! This truly makes the statement startling, but we have in no wise altered Paul’s sense, and at once the parallel suggests itself—he was accursed for us and “he was made sin for us” (2 Cor. 5 : 21). Besides being grammatically impossible, we must reject as futile in the light of this parallel the suggestion that by “sin” Paul in this place means “sin-offering”. No, Paul means sin, but we must understand what is intended by the word. He was made sin in partaking of the nature in which sin reigns and which produces sin, and which therefore, by metonomy is called sin. We may go further and say he was made “sin” in enduring the consequences of sin—sin not his own, for he did not sin—but sin which has left its effects upon the whole race of mankind in bringing all under subjection to death. If we recognize how horrible in God’s sight sin is, then we see how the effects of it are brought to a focus as it were in His own obedient son. “Him who knew no sin God made to be sin that we might become the righteousness of God in him.”

He was made to be—we become; the difference being that he felt and endured in his own person the consequences of sin, accepting voluntarily those consequences, whereas we are forgiven our sins and so become the righteousness of God.

He was made “sin” without being a sinner; he was also “made a curse” without transgressing the law. How this came about Paul explains. He was cursed in the mode of death, and this involved no personal responsibility on his part. An edict of the law declared: “Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree”. Christ was nailed to the tree and so came under the curse.

Let us observe that it is not only in this place that emphasis is put on “the tree” in connection with Christ. All the Lord’s own references to his impending crucifixion take on an added meaning in the light of it. But the idea recurs in apostolic thought. Thus Peter told the Jewish authorities that God “raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree” (Acts 5: 30); he used the same phrase to Cornelius (Acts 10 : 39). To the Jews of Pisidian Antioch Paul declared that when “they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre” (Acts 13 : 29). In a very important passage in his first epistle Peter says that Jesus “his own self bare our sins in his own body to the tree”. From these statements it is evident that the mode of Christ’s death entered conspicuously into the thought of the first Christian teachers when they were explaining the truth to Jews or those with Jewish contacts.

We turn then to consider the passage in the Law which Paul quotes. It appears parenthetically in a commandment that if a man had committed a sin worthy of death, and he be put to death and hung on a tree, then his body must not remain on the tree beyond nightfall, that the land be not defiled. The reason given is that “he that is hanged is accursed of God”. Some effort has been made to confine the curse of the Law to the penal death imposed for sin, on the ground that it seems needless to add a curse for the mere exposure of the body; a view that would limit the curse to the man who had died because of transgression. But the statement which explains why the body exposed on the tree must be removed is general and not confined to the criminal. When the criminal is hung on a tree there is added to the sentence which brings him to death the curse which his exposure brings. A man innocent of transgression of which he was accused and for which he was sentenced to death, would by the hanging come under the curse. This is not hypothetical, for it is what actually happened in the case of the Lord, Paul himself being witness. Christ became a curse because he hung upon a tree.

The explanation may be found in the fact that the Law dealt with actual transgression and also with defilement that might even come upon a person innocently. This ceremonial defilement could come in many ways, but the most striking are those that came by obeying the Law itself. Thus Aaron had to wash after the offering in the Holiest of all on the Day of Atonement. The man who bore the ashes of the offering without the camp on the same day had also to wash (Lev. 18). The priest who had charge of the burning of the red heifer, the ashes of which were to be added to the water of separation for cleansing of the defilement contracted by touching anything dead, had to wash and was unclean until the evening. The man who removed the ashes was unclean until the even. Even the ministers of the rite of cleansing for this defilement were considered to be unclean (Num. 19). Thus the very operations enjoined by God for cleansing produced a ceremonial defilement. The law was rigorous, for the man who neglected the purification rites when he had contracted defilement had to be cut off. A man could be defiled by the law even in fulfilling it.

The pollution occasioned by these enactments of the law were altogether independent of moral guiltiness. But the Law does not discriminate in its operation between moral and ceremonial guilt. We cannot separate the moral code from the ceremonial in the Law of Moses: the Law is one—so much so as we have seen that a man who offended in one particular was guilty of all.

Jesus then, Paul tells us, in the mode of his death, came under the Law’s curse. In this transaction he was himself innocent, and in his case the time when the curse came upon him coincided with the accepting of the full penalty of the curse of the Law. Death was the penalty the Law imposed. Jesus was cursed in the form in which death came and the full claims of the Law were met by his death, while his sinless life ensured his resurrection. The Law could make no further claims upon him, and he passed from under its operation when he died, and thus by his death the Law which cursed him was done away.

All persons under the Law were cursed. How could the curse on them be removed? The answer is, by identification with Jesus and sharing his death, and so sharing the fruits of his victory. Only thus could the curse of the Law be removed and such become, in Paul’s phrase, “dead to the Law”.

The Law could not remove sin; it convicted of sin. Men under the Law must have a redeemer. The redemption came by Christ’s death, as Paul says: he “is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance”.

When we perceive Paul’s reasoning based upon the clause about hanging on a tree, it would seem reasonable to conclude that its insertion in the Law was a divine provision for the working out of His purpose. Under the Roman rule he met his death by crucifixion; earlier or later in time, and death would not normally have been so inflicted. The “fulness of time” brought together the man and the circumstances which fulfilled God’s purpose.

F2F
 

Angelina

Seer - Follower Of Jesus
Staff member
Admin
Feb 4, 2011
40,910
28,512
113
The King Country
Faith
Christian
Country
New Zealand
nice read...

The bible tells us that we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This includes those not under the law. Romans 5:12. He also tells us that God loved the world so much that he sent his only son so that those who believe in him, shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16. Although gentiles were not under the law, the penalty of sin still held sway over all mankind Romans 5:13-14.

So how did the gentiles [who become believers] fit into something that did not include them yet held them under the penalty of sin which is death?

Galatians 3
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This was the promise given to Abraham 430 years before the law came in... Gal 3:17-18

.
 
  • Like
Reactions: face2face

mjrhealth

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2009
11,808
4,086
113
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Hi face2face,

Bit long but well said.

I had this pointed out it me by a friend.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

In all His Love
 

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Angelina said:
nice read...

The bible tells us that we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This includes those not under the law. Romans 5:12. He also tells us that God loved the world so much that he sent his only son so that those who believe in him, shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16. Although gentiles were not under the law, the penalty of sin still held sway over all mankind Romans 5:13-14.

So how did the gentiles [who become believers] fit into something that did not include them yet held them under the penalty of sin which is death?

Galatians 3
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This was the promise given to Abraham 430 years before the law came in... Gal 3:17-18

.
I am thrilled when a believer places icing on the cake :)
Firstly it means they get it.. and took the time to read what is an important subject.
I take no credit for the study as its not my work though I agree with its content.
The author is long asleep in the Lord.
Thanks Angelina for replying.
F2F
 

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
mjrhealth said:
Hi face2face,

Bit long but well said.

I had this pointed out it me by a friend.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,n

In all His Love
Thanks MJ
I agree the OP was a tad long ;)
Until the establishment of God’s unity the creation itself is “out of joint”; it suffers the consequences of the dislocation by man’s sin of the relationship between man and God. “For the creation was subjected to vanity (futility, frustration), not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God

For this unity to be achieved men must be redeemed from the bondage of sin and death, transformed and sanctified through the power of faith, and glorified by being received into the divine life. Such is the purpose of God in “bringing many sons unto glory”.

In men redeemed the whole creation must attain its end; but it can only be attained through the living relationship of men with God, consummated at last in the full outpouring of God’s love expressed in “the glorious liberty of the sons of God”.

F2F
 

heretoeternity

New Member
Oct 11, 2014
1,237
39
0
86
Asia/Pacific
Sorry f2f but you are barking up the wrong tree, in your long winded post....the curse of the law was the sacrificial system where lambs, goats, etc were the sacrifice...they could not take away the curse of sin...these are part of the Mosaic law, Jesus came and became the supreme sacrifice to remove this curse......you got to realize God's ten commandments are separate all together, and were written by God himself....as Paul says in Romans "do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid" and "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish the law" He is obviously referring to God's law, the Ten commandments...Apostle John in 1st John says "Sin is transgression of the law" and "His commandments are not grievous" and in 1st John "those who say they know him and keep NOT his commandments are LIARS and the truth is not in them"....so if someone thinks the Ten commandments are void and grievous, and you find it tough to keep them, then Apostle John appears to have categorized them in a very forthright, unfavourable category...and

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his perverted doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!
 

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
heretoeternity said:
Sorry f2f but you are barking up the wrong tree, in your long winded post....the curse of the law was the sacrificial system where lambs, goats, etc were the sacrifice...they could not take away the curse of sin...these are part of the Mosaic law, Jesus came and became the supreme sacrifice to remove this curse......you got to realize God's ten commandments are separate all together, and were written by God himself....as Paul says in Romans "do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid" and "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish the law" He is obviously referring to God's law, the Ten commandments...Apostle John in 1st John says "Sin is transgression of the law" and "His commandments are not grievous" and in 1st John "those who say they know him and keep NOT his commandments are LIARS and the truth is not in them"....so if someone thinks the Ten commandments are void and grievous, and you find it tough to keep them, then Apostle John appears to have categorized them in a very forthright, unfavourable category...and

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his perverted doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!
Deut 21:22 If a person commits a sin punishable by death and is executed, and you hang the corpse41 on a tree, 21:23 his body must not remain all night on the tree; instead you must make certain you bury42 him that same day, for the one who is left exposed43 on a tree is cursed by God.44 You must not defile your land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.

What Sin?
 

zeke25

New Member
May 18, 2014
513
15
0
78
Western USA
face2face said:
Record: Gal 3 :3–14

BECAUSE none kept it perfectly, the Law cursed all under it.

So far from it being, as many Jews thought, a means whereby men could attain to life it was found to be an effective barrier to life—to be in fact something that by its cursing cut men off from life. The Law made evident man’s impotence and therefore the need for divine action if men were to be saved.

Paul has already referred to that divine action in His son “who gave himself for our sins” (Gal 1:4), “who gave himself for me” in being crucified (Gal 2:20). For Paul’s argument concerning the inefficacy of the Law as a way to life to be complete, Christ’s work must not only be shown in relation to the personal needs of men who are by conduct sinners and by nature death-stricken, but he must show that Christ has removed the curse of law—the law which not only could not give life, but which sentenced men to death. In fact, if Christ is the Redeemer he must of necessity redeem those under the curse of Law from that curse. The very contrast “Law cursed—Christ redeemed from the curse” is an absolute and final refutation of the Judaizers’ claims.

It is Christ who has done this: of course Christ is Jesus—but by saying Christ did it, Paul indicates that it is the Messiah who has removed the curse. He will say in the next breath the curse was removed by his crucifixion—by that very death which was so scandalous in the eyes of the Jew. And instead of the cross establishing, as the Jew thought, that the claims of Jesus to be the Messiah were blasphemy, the cross proved that Jesus was the Messiah. Paul here defends his teaching by a frontal attack on the Jewish position, affirming that it was required of the exalted and glorified King of Israel that he should suffer and die for men’s sins as a condition of honour and glory. The scandal of the cross becomes the occasion of glory—“I will know nothing”, says Paul, “but Messiah Jesus and him a crucified one”. This argument that Old Testament prophecy demanded that the Messiah must be one who first gave his life as an offering for sins turned the objection of the Jews into a convincing proof to all willing to weigh the evidence. The apostles were not slow to use it; of the many illustrations, Peter in Acts 2 and Paul in Heb. 2: 9, 10, are conspicuous examples—but the thought is implicit here when Paul says Christ—the Messiah—hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law.

How has the curse of the Law been “bought off”?—for so the word translated redeemed in this place literally means. Paul answers: by Messiah “being made a curse for us”; for us, not instead of us; but for us in that he has come under the curse of the Law that he might take it away for himself and for us; for us, in that we, by faith identifying ourselves with him in his submission to the curse, share with him in the results, in the removal of the curse from us.

It is clear that when Paul says Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law, he means those who were under the law, “us” Jews. But the principle by which this curse of law has been taken away is identical with that by which the curse of sin and death has been removed. When the principle in the latter case has been understood, the way in which the law-curse was done away is not difficult of perception. Let us now follow Paul’s thought concerning how Christ has removed the curse of the law. Christ has been made a curse; he elsewhere says that he was “made under the law”, and while this is a related thing it is yet something much more significant when he says he was “made a curse”. If we put the statement in the concrete form instead of the abstract—which Paul was led to use because he had just spoken of the curse of the law in connection with others—then it is declared that Jesus was accursed! This truly makes the statement startling, but we have in no wise altered Paul’s sense, and at once the parallel suggests itself—he was accursed for us and “he was made sin for us” (2 Cor. 5 : 21). Besides being grammatically impossible, we must reject as futile in the light of this parallel the suggestion that by “sin” Paul in this place means “sin-offering”. No, Paul means sin, but we must understand what is intended by the word. He was made sin in partaking of the nature in which sin reigns and which produces sin, and which therefore, by metonomy is called sin. We may go further and say he was made “sin” in enduring the consequences of sin—sin not his own, for he did not sin—but sin which has left its effects upon the whole race of mankind in bringing all under subjection to death. If we recognize how horrible in God’s sight sin is, then we see how the effects of it are brought to a focus as it were in His own obedient son. “Him who knew no sin God made to be sin that we might become the righteousness of God in him.”

He was made to be—we become; the difference being that he felt and endured in his own person the consequences of sin, accepting voluntarily those consequences, whereas we are forgiven our sins and so become the righteousness of God.

He was made “sin” without being a sinner; he was also “made a curse” without transgressing the law. How this came about Paul explains. He was cursed in the mode of death, and this involved no personal responsibility on his part. An edict of the law declared: “Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree”. Christ was nailed to the tree and so came under the curse.

Let us observe that it is not only in this place that emphasis is put on “the tree” in connection with Christ. All the Lord’s own references to his impending crucifixion take on an added meaning in the light of it. But the idea recurs in apostolic thought. Thus Peter told the Jewish authorities that God “raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree” (Acts 5: 30); he used the same phrase to Cornelius (Acts 10 : 39). To the Jews of Pisidian Antioch Paul declared that when “they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre” (Acts 13 : 29). In a very important passage in his first epistle Peter says that Jesus “his own self bare our sins in his own body to the tree”. From these statements it is evident that the mode of Christ’s death entered conspicuously into the thought of the first Christian teachers when they were explaining the truth to Jews or those with Jewish contacts.

We turn then to consider the passage in the Law which Paul quotes. It appears parenthetically in a commandment that if a man had committed a sin worthy of death, and he be put to death and hung on a tree, then his body must not remain on the tree beyond nightfall, that the land be not defiled. The reason given is that “he that is hanged is accursed of God”. Some effort has been made to confine the curse of the Law to the penal death imposed for sin, on the ground that it seems needless to add a curse for the mere exposure of the body; a view that would limit the curse to the man who had died because of transgression. But the statement which explains why the body exposed on the tree must be removed is general and not confined to the criminal. When the criminal is hung on a tree there is added to the sentence which brings him to death the curse which his exposure brings. A man innocent of transgression of which he was accused and for which he was sentenced to death, would by the hanging come under the curse. This is not hypothetical, for it is what actually happened in the case of the Lord, Paul himself being witness. Christ became a curse because he hung upon a tree.

The explanation may be found in the fact that the Law dealt with actual transgression and also with defilement that might even come upon a person innocently. This ceremonial defilement could come in many ways, but the most striking are those that came by obeying the Law itself. Thus Aaron had to wash after the offering in the Holiest of all on the Day of Atonement. The man who bore the ashes of the offering without the camp on the same day had also to wash (Lev. 18). The priest who had charge of the burning of the red heifer, the ashes of which were to be added to the water of separation for cleansing of the defilement contracted by touching anything dead, had to wash and was unclean until the evening. The man who removed the ashes was unclean until the even. Even the ministers of the rite of cleansing for this defilement were considered to be unclean (Num. 19). Thus the very operations enjoined by God for cleansing produced a ceremonial defilement. The law was rigorous, for the man who neglected the purification rites when he had contracted defilement had to be cut off. A man could be defiled by the law even in fulfilling it.

The pollution occasioned by these enactments of the law were altogether independent of moral guiltiness. But the Law does not discriminate in its operation between moral and ceremonial guilt. We cannot separate the moral code from the ceremonial in the Law of Moses: the Law is one—so much so as we have seen that a man who offended in one particular was guilty of all.

Jesus then, Paul tells us, in the mode of his death, came under the Law’s curse. In this transaction he was himself innocent, and in his case the time when the curse came upon him coincided with the accepting of the full penalty of the curse of the Law. Death was the penalty the Law imposed. Jesus was cursed in the form in which death came and the full claims of the Law were met by his death, while his sinless life ensured his resurrection. The Law could make no further claims upon him, and he passed from under its operation when he died, and thus by his death the Law which cursed him was done away.

All persons under the Law were cursed. How could the curse on them be removed? The answer is, by identification with Jesus and sharing his death, and so sharing the fruits of his victory. Only thus could the curse of the Law be removed and such become, in Paul’s phrase, “dead to the Law”.

The Law could not remove sin; it convicted of sin. Men under the Law must have a redeemer. The redemption came by Christ’s death, as Paul says: he “is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance”.

When we perceive Paul’s reasoning based upon the clause about hanging on a tree, it would seem reasonable to conclude that its insertion in the Law was a divine provision for the working out of His purpose. Under the Roman rule he met his death by crucifixion; earlier or later in time, and death would not normally have been so inflicted. The “fulness of time” brought together the man and the circumstances which fulfilled God’s purpose.

F2F
F2F,

A good presentation. Would you be so kind as to tell us the author's name and denominational affiliation?

zeke25
 

whitestone

New Member
Apr 3, 2011
368
24
0
Gold Beach Oregon
He who kept the Law Perfectly, was cursed by it. Yes of course, it was a divine paradoxical prearrangement...

A paradox, until I recognize, how blessed I am that He took that curse of the Law upon Him, into the ground with Him. For when He went into the grave, He carried both the blessing of the Abrahamic Covenant of Life, as well as the Mosaic Law of Sin and Death Curse written in stone, took them both into the grave with Him.

The curse of the Law of Moses was buried. Into the ground. With Jesus. He took it. Off me. Onto Him. Buried.

But the Blessings of Life became fulfilled, and Jesus arose and He brought the Blessing of Life forth from the grave!
Fortunately for me, He left that curse of the law in the grave forever.

Now I have the New Law of Life. The Law of Resurrection from the dead :)
That old Law of Sin and Death, is abolished and buried, Oh Thank you Jesus for bringing Life and Immortality to Light!
 

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
zeke25 said:
F2F,

A good presentation. Would you be so kind as to tell us the author's name and denominational affiliation?

zeke25
I only have RJ as the initials and denomination, I would be guessing a reformist, such as Anabaptist's or similiar - its old!
 

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
whitestone said:
He who kept the Law Perfectly, was cursed by it. Yes of course, it was a divine paradoxical prearrangement...

A paradox, until I recognize, how blessed I am that He took that curse of the Law upon Him, into the ground with Him. For when He went into the grave, He carried both the blessing of the Abrahamic Covenant of Life, as well as the Mosaic Law of Sin and Death Curse written in stone, took them both into the grave with Him.

The curse of the Law of Moses was buried. Into the ground. With Jesus. He took it. Off me. Onto Him. Buried.

But the Blessings of Life became fulfilled, and Jesus arose and He brought the Blessing of Life forth from the grave!
Fortunately for me, He left that curse of the law in the grave forever.

Now I have the New Law of Life. The Law of Resurrection from the dead :)
That old Law of Sin and Death, is abolished and buried, Oh Thank you Jesus for bringing Life and Immortality to Light!
Thumbs up - some try to dissect the OT Covenant / Law / Commandments but the reality is that if we are to break any of the terms of the covenant the result was always "the wages of sin is death" - therefore the curse was imposed on the Jew to teach him his need for Jesus Christ. Likewise for Jesus himself and his need to be redeemed from death...Heb 5:7
F2F
 

face2face

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
8,243
1,203
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
face2face said:
Deut 21:22 If a person commits a sin punishable by death and is executed, and you hang the corpse41 on a tree, 21:23 his body must not remain all night on the tree; instead you must make certain you bury42 him that same day, for the one who is left exposed43 on a tree is cursed by God.44 You must not defile your land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.

What Sin?
Hereto may not wish to answer this question honestly? I hope not!
Its similar to why the Pharisees could not answer the Master in that self incrimination was not popular in his day.
Once a SDA admits that hanging on the tree and its associated curse could come via breaking God Laws, either by the Law itself, or a Covenant - Breaker, or the transgressing of any of the Ten Commandments, they are required to accept that the handwriting and ordinances covered everything under the ministration of Moses which has now been taken away. Col 2:14
This doesn't mean we cannot learn from our school master - we do! - our school master wants us to focus in on Jesus Christ that we may understand what is the true sabbath? what does loving one neighbor truly look like? what is the difference between killing your brother, as Cain did, and not allowing hatred or envy dwell in your heart.
If an SDA seek to uphold the OT commandment which was designed to be veiled from full view, the question remains, would be why not go directly to the light?
Is this unreasonable?
F2F
 

mjrhealth

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2009
11,808
4,086
113
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Vanity a bit like futility, pointless exercise.

The law as in the Ten Commandments required so much more hence all the feasts sacrifices etc. The law could only Kill, thats what it did, The law required something to die, a perfect sacrifice for the sin to be atoned, forgiven. It was certainly not anything God desired.

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

The whole point of teh law was" Please excuse the caps"

GOD DESIRED TO SHOW MANKIND THAT HE COULD NOT EARN GODS LOVE

but is seems man has other ideas.

You see if you keep the law, and break one, any one, there must be a sacrifice, since Christ will not die for you again the only thing left is you, you must die, no grace, no forgiveness of sin, you sacrifice is not perfect, you have rejected the works and sacrifice of Christ for your own works of futility. That is why it is either one or the other.

You either accept the sacrifice that Christ did and live

or you steal the law from the Jews fail in your attempt to keep them and die.

The old wine, the law and the flesh

the new wine the Holy Spirit and grace

the first was given to the Jews the second to the gentiles as well as the Jews at Christs resurrection.

God is Spirit we must worship Him In Spirit and truth.

The works of the flesh will never be an acceptable sacrifice by God.

In all His Love
 

heretoeternity

New Member
Oct 11, 2014
1,237
39
0
86
Asia/Pacific
f2f and others..it seems you cannot distinguish between God's law the ten commandments, which God wrote Himself, and the law of Moses, the old sacrificial system, which included sacrifices, festivals, feasts, circumcision, cleanliness,food laws etc.....the old sacrificial system ended at the Cross...when Jesus became the last sacrifice once and for always....God's law, was not affected and will be in force forever....as Jesus said in Matthew 5 "heaven and earth will pass away, but not one thing will be changed in the law until all is fulfilled" and Paul said in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish the law"...well heaven and earth are still here, so obviously God's law is still in effect. But the followers of pagan papal Rome continue to let themselves be misled by the false teachings from this end time church organization and it's daughters (Rev 17).....sad they are so deceived, and keep spreading their counterfeit religion on all people...
 

UppsalaDragby

New Member
Feb 6, 2012
543
40
0
heretoeternity said:
f2f and others..it seems you cannot distinguish between God's law the ten commandments, which God wrote Himself, and the law of Moses, the old sacrificial system, which included sacrifices, festivals, feasts, circumcision, cleanliness,food laws etc.....the old sacrificial system ended at the Cross...when Jesus became the last sacrifice once and for always....God's law, was not affected and will be in force forever....as Jesus said in Matthew 5 "heaven and earth will pass away, but not one thing will be changed in the law until all is fulfilled" and Paul said in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish the law"...well heaven and earth are still here, so obviously God's law is still in effect. But the followers of pagan papal Rome continue to let themselves be misled by the false teachings from this end time church organization and it's daughters (Rev 17).....sad they are so deceived, and keep spreading their counterfeit religion on all people...
So where does scripture teach us to make that kind of distinction? Not only were the 10 commandments included in the old covenant, they were also described in scripture as BEING the old covenant. And there isn't a shred of scripture ANYWHERE that teaches us that the 10 commandments were separate from the law of Moses unless you appeal to extra-biblical theories that speculate about the medium the decalogue were written on, and their placement in the ark - you know.. the ark of the OLD covenant.

And I find it incredibly ironic that you refer to what Jesus said in Matthew 5, which obviously isn't referring to the 10 commandments alone but EVERYTHING written, ie. EVERY jot, tittel, stroke of the pen.. EVERYTHING in the Law and the prophets. That passage of scripture actually disproves your point, since you are claiming that only a part of the law was done away with (which it WASN'T!)

And Christianity does not "make void the law", it provides a way to fulfill it, not to make it void. No one fulfills something that is void, do they? No... we "establish" the law by acknowledging that it is holy, good and righteous. We have always done that.

SDA theology is demonstrably flawed.
 

mjrhealth

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2009
11,808
4,086
113
Australia
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Nice to see you HTE. Nice to see you still persuing the futile act of trying to keep the law and failing dismally at it. Jesus wont help you neither will God, for they have offered you grace. Sad thing about it all is in the end the reward is salvation, as long as it is grace. No matter how hard you wor at it you will be no better off than the drunk who has never known God yet gives his life to Jesus on his death bed,

What part of "futility" do you not understand.

In all His love
 

heretoeternity

New Member
Oct 11, 2014
1,237
39
0
86
Asia/Pacific
Nice to see you HTE. Nice to see you still persuing the futile act of trying to keep the law and failing dismally at it. Jesus wont help you neither will God, for they have offered you grace. Sad thing about it all is in the end the reward is salvation, as long as it is grace. No matter how hard you wor at it you will be no better off than the drunk who has never known God yet gives his life to Jesus on his death bed,





It interesting what god you are following??? Sure isn't the God of the Bible by the sound of it...if you have God's Holy spirit in you, no problem keeping God's law, the Ten commandments...it is all part of loving God and loving other people, and respecting them, which is part of love...you obviously cannot understand that..I suggest you pray a lot and ask God for His Holy spirit to help you out here, you are obviously a lost soul....you might read 1st John, and Romans and Revelation they all agree on the importance of God's law the ten commandments...

Remember, salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the Roman system, and their sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!



What part of "futility" do you not understand.

In all His love