We, certainly, cannot trust in the emotions of our own hearts to determine if we love God and others:"Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death." Pro 7:25-27.What does the Scripture tell us about loving God and others?Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15.Jesus said, "He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." John 14:21.When Jesus gave us the "Two Greatest Commandments," He was quoting the law. Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18:"By this we know that we love the children of God (Greatest Commandment #2), when we love God (#1) and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:2,3."And this is love that we walk after His commandments." 2 John 6.His church keeps His commandments: "And the Dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17.His saints keep His commandments: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12."As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions ("of the law" 1 John 3:4) from us...TO SUCH AS KEEP HIS COVENANT AND TO THOSE THAT REMEMBER HIS COMMANDMENTS TO DO THEM." Ps 103.Covenants have conditions.Even in heaven, the Lord makes quite a statement about His Covenant:"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." Rev 11:19.At the very end of the Book of all books, the Apostle John wrote, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.
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You're right, if we love God we will keep His cammandments, and we will do the works of Jesus.
Sadly, I don't see people really trusting Christ at all. More and more that we see this in the last days.
You're right, if we love God we will keep His cammandments, and we will do the works of Jesus.
Sadly, I don't see people really trusting Christ at all. More and more that we see this in the last days.
I see more and more Christians who sin, sin, sin, and think, that they will be welcomed into His Kingdom. That is why I post these posts, so that they may repent and be ready for His coming.
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I see more and more Christians who sin, sin, sin, and think, that they will be welcomed into His Kingdom. That is why I post these posts, so that they may repent and be ready for His coming.ray3:
Amen.... granting that no one can sin in a high handed manner and expect forgiveness... some other things to keep in mind.... and questions....Christians still sin, no one is without sin.... since Christians sin every day, eg from one perspective they sin, sin, sin.... at what point are a person's sins covered by the work of Jesus on the Cross, and when are they not?is it our ability to repent of ALL our sins that saves us?was Christ's work of atonement sufficient to cover all our sins, even those we forgot to ask forgiveness for....?was Christ's blood enough to cover all my sins..... all of them?what if Jesus returns and a person has unconfessed unrepentant sin, for no other reason than that they did not remember the sin...? will such a person be lost?..... how does Jesus' promise that He would allow none of His children to be lost figure into all this? Remember that Peter directly denied Jesus, just like Judas. What was the difference between them? I submit that it was Jesus Himself who was and who made the difference, not any ability within either person (Peter or Judas), for Jesus did something for Peter the Bible never says that He did for Judas:Luke 22:31-32 (ESV) 31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” ..... but with Judas we see Jesus saying John 17:12 (ESV) While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.Since Jesus is perfectly righteous, and His prayers are always perfectly in line with God the Father's will, when Jesus prays and asks God the father that all of those who have been given to Him may be with Him, would the Father ever NOT answer this prayer, even if a person had unrepentant or unremembered sins....?John 17:24 (ESV) Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. Since the Bible teaches that all those whom God called will be glorified, and all those who will be glorified sinned and continued to sin while in their preglorified state, can any be lost.....?Romans 8:29-39 (ESV) 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."Since nothing can separate the elect from God, and sin is "something" , it seems as if sin cannot separate the elect from God because God knew before the foundation of the world each and every sin that each and every person would commit, and either His atonement on the Cross was sufficient to forgive that sin and the benefits of Christ's Cross-work were applied to a person's "account" thus fully justifying them, and regenerating their heart, or it is not....great OP.... thought provoking....blessings,Ken
I see more and more Christians who sin, sin, sin, and think, that they will be welcomed into His Kingdom. That is why I post these posts, so that they may repent and be ready for His coming.
ray3:Amen.... granting that no one can sin in a high handed manner and expect forgiveness... some other things to keep in mind.... and questions....Christians still sin, no one is without sin.... since Christians sin every day, eg from one perspective they sin, sin, sin.... at what point are a person's sins covered by the work of Jesus on the Cross, and when are they not?is it our ability to repent of ALL our sins that saves us?was Christ's work of atonement sufficient to cover all our sins, even those we forgot to ask forgiveness for....?was Christ's blood enough to cover all my sins..... all of them?what if Jesus returns and a person has unconfessed unrepentant sin, for no other reason than that they did not remember the sin...? will such a person be lost?..... how does Jesus' promise that He would allow none of His children to be lost figure into all this? Remember that Peter directly denied Jesus, just like Judas. What was the difference between them? I submit that it was Jesus Himself who was and who made the difference, not any ability within either person (Peter or Judas), for Jesus did something for Peter the Bible never says that He did for Judas:Luke 22:31-32 (ESV) 31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” ..... but with Judas we see Jesus saying John 17:12 (ESV) While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.Since Jesus is perfectly righteous, and His prayers are always perfectly in line with God the Father's will, when Jesus prays and asks God the father that all of those who have been given to Him may be with Him, would the Father ever NOT answer this prayer, even if a person had unrepentant or unremembered sins....?John 17:24 (ESV) Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. Since the Bible teaches that all those whom God called will be glorified, and all those who will be glorified sinned and continued to sin while in their preglorified state, can any be lost.....?Romans 8:29-39 (ESV) 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."Since nothing can separate the elect from God, and sin is "something" , it seems as if sin cannot separate the elect from God because God knew before the foundation of the world each and every sin that each and every person would commit, and either His atonement on the Cross was sufficient to forgive that sin and the benefits of Christ's Cross-work were applied to a person's "account" thus fully justifying them, and regenerating their heart, or it is not....great OP.... thought provoking....blessings,Ken
Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity. (lawlessness) Mt 7:21-23"And hereby we do know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR, and the Truth is not in him. BUT WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED: hereby we do know that we are in Him.He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:3-6."Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him NOR KNOWN HIM.Little children, let not man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested, that He might destroy the works of the Devil.Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." 1 John 3.The new Creation does not sin. It is when we fall back on the old way of living, that we sin. When we walk in His Spirit, we do not sin.The Apostle Paul told Timothy, "I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with PURE CONSCIENCE..." 2 Tim 1:3.When we serve Him with a pure conscience, we can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal anything to us, that we need to repent of. This is what sanctification is all about.
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Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity. (lawlessness) Mt 7:21-23"And hereby we do know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR, and the Truth is not in him. BUT WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED: hereby we do know that we are in Him.He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:3-6."Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him NOR KNOWN HIM.Little children, let not man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested, that He might destroy the works of the Devil.Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." 1 John 3.The new Creation does not sin. It is when we fall back on the old way of living, that we sin. When we walk in His Spirit, we do not sin.The Apostle Paul told Timothy, "I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with PURE CONSCIENCE..." 2 Tim 1:3.When we serve Him with a pure conscience, we can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal anything to us, that we need to repent of. This is what sanctification is all about.
so do you say to Jesus... "Lord, Lord...."? If so, how do you know that you are not one of those that Jesus will say, "even though you did many good works, away from me you evil doer...?Do you perfectly keep God's commands? If not, and I know for a fact you do not, then why aren't you included in those the Bible calls a liar, and that the truth is not in them? Jesus was perfect... sinless.... you are not, therefore while you must try to walk as He walked, you will do so imperfectly, you will and do sin. "And He that committeth sin, (that has to include you, for you commit sin) is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning." So why aren't you "of the devil"?Are you saying you cannot sin...? That you don't sin at all, ever? 1Jn 1:10 Geneva If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."Rom 3:10 Geneva As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one.Rom 3:23 Geneva For there is no difference; for all have sinned, and are deprived of the glory of God,So, since the Bible proves, without a doubt, that all sin, including you personally, how is it that you abide in and know God since "Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him NOR KNOWN HIM."? Again, since you sin, how can you claim to know or abide in God? Since you sin, is it that you think you sin less, and all these verses and passages do not apply to you, but apply to others? How much is "less" exactly...? 2 sins per day.... 10? 20? Often people do not realize when they sin... a quick passing thought of coveteousness.... lust.... envy... and there you have it... sin.... Too often, people have to low a standard of what sin is, and too high a standard of who man is... they forget the awesome holiness of God... and how even these passing thoughts are alone enough to exempt us from the kingdom of heaven. If we sin even one time, that is enough to separate us from God. And so, since both you and I do in fact continue to sin after we became a Christian, does that mean we lose our salvation every time we sin? That we have to get saved every time we ever commit one sin? And have to get saved over and over again since we will continue to sin throughout our lives? And what if we sin on our deathbeds... and do not have time to repent of it before we die...? Are we then lost forever? If you could please be so kind, if you could, if you have the time, could you answer these questions especially?As far as serving God with a pure conscience, don't you think that people's consciences are fallible, that they err...? Some people can do all sorts of terrible things, rape, murder, steal, etc and they seem to be able to rationalize it in their mind as being justified, that it may be wrong for most people to do these things, but when they did it, it was ok for this or that reason...... in their own minds, they have a pure conscience... and some people do these things while serving God.... they kill, commit adultery because their spouse does not understand them, does not love them, and surely God would understand... He wants us to be happy doesn't He...? They do all sorts of things "in the name of God", and feel very justified in doing them... many in the Islamic world do these things to be sure.... and many people claiming to be Christians have as well.... if their consciences do not bother them, are they at peace with God?thanks for taking the time to read and answer my questions...blessings,Ken
Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity. (lawlessness) Mt 7:21-23"And hereby we do know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR, and the Truth is not in him. BUT WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED: hereby we do know that we are in Him.He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:3-6."Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him NOR KNOWN HIM.Little children, let not man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested, that He might destroy the works of the Devil.Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." 1 John 3.The new Creation does not sin. It is when we fall back on the old way of living, that we sin. When we walk in His Spirit, we do not sin.The Apostle Paul told Timothy, "I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with PURE CONSCIENCE..." 2 Tim 1:3.When we serve Him with a pure conscience, we can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal anything to us, that we need to repent of. This is what sanctification is all about.
so do you say to Jesus... "Lord, Lord...."? If so, how do you know that you are not one of those that Jesus will say, "even though you did many good works, away from me you evil doer...?Do you perfectly keep God's commands? If not, and I know for a fact you do not, then why aren't you included in those the Bible calls a liar, and that the truth is not in them? Jesus was perfect... sinless.... you are not, therefore while you must try to walk as He walked, you will do so imperfectly, you will and do sin. "And He that committeth sin, (that has to include you, for you commit sin) is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning." So why aren't you "of the devil"?Are you saying you cannot sin...? That you don't sin at all, ever? 1Jn 1:10 Geneva If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."Rom 3:10 Geneva As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one.Rom 3:23 Geneva For there is no difference; for all have sinned, and are deprived of the glory of God,So, since the Bible proves, without a doubt, that all sin, including you personally, how is it that you abide in and know God since "Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him NOR KNOWN HIM."? Again, since you sin, how can you claim to know or abide in God? Since you sin, is it that you think you sin less, and all these verses and passages do not apply to you, but apply to others? How much is "less" exactly...? 2 sins per day.... 10? 20? Often people do not realize when they sin... a quick passing thought of coveteousness.... lust.... envy... and there you have it... sin.... Too often, people have to low a standard of what sin is, and too high a standard of who man is... they forget the awesome holiness of God... and how even these passing thoughts are alone enough to exempt us from the kingdom of heaven. If we sin even one time, that is enough to separate us from God. And so, since both you and I do in fact continue to sin after we became a Christian, does that mean we lose our salvation every time we sin? That we have to get saved every time we ever commit one sin? And have to get saved over and over again since we will continue to sin throughout our lives? And what if we sin on our deathbeds... and do not have time to repent of it before we die...? Are we then lost forever? If you could please be so kind, if you could, if you have the time, could you answer these questions especially?As far as serving God with a pure conscience, don't you think that people's consciences are fallible, that they err...? Some people can do all sorts of terrible things, rape, murder, steal, etc and they seem to be able to rationalize it in their mind as being justified, that it may be wrong for most people to do these things, but when they did it, it was ok for this or that reason...... in their own minds, they have a pure conscience... and some people do these things while serving God.... they kill, commit adultery because their spouse does not understand them, does not love them, and surely God would understand... He wants us to be happy doesn't He...? They do all sorts of things "in the name of God", and feel very justified in doing them... many in the Islamic world do these things to be sure.... and many people claiming to be Christians have as well.... if their consciences do not bother them, are they at peace with God?thanks for taking the time to read and answer my questions...blessings,Ken
I walk before the Lord with a pure conscience. If I sin, I can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me, then, I will repent, and be changed into His image. That is what sanctification is all about.The Word must be our guide...not any denomination, or tradition, or opinion. 2 Tim 3:16 in the Greek says, "Every Scripture is God breathed..." If we line up with His Word, we line up with Him. If we line up with His Word, we will have a pure conscience...even though my church does not embrace the full Word of God, I do.Those who are Islamic don't know the Lord Jesus Christ, but, many of them are having visions of Jesus and dreams of Jesus and are coming to Him. He is pouring out His Spirit in many countries, as we speak...Praise Him!
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