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The Mark of the Beast/ The Seal of God

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  1. Greatest I Am

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    If the numbers 666 is to be applied to an individual, or organization, we must need wait for all of us to be numbered.Since God has tied buying and selling to the powers of this mark, I would suggest that the mark will be imposed by a world government. Governments at this time are the ones contoling terade. They will be tthe ones assigning numbers, not God. If being numbered is a precurser to the end times, would it not be in our best interest to demand to be numbered. The sooner we are numbered the sooner God will be made manifest.RegardsDL
     
  2. servant_of_the_end

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    The number of the beast is much more than what some of you write, and the mark is not what most expect. Those who hold to the pre-tribulation transformation doctrine are beholden to the strong delusion, and are in fact destined towards the great falling away- the apostasy. They will remain in the lie and fall away as we move towards the truth of the matter. And this false doctrine is part of the strong delusion and the lie of the so-called rapture- as it is taught today by most of those who hold leadership within greater christendom- will cause those who look for this event as the initial indicator of the beginning of the end to not recongnize the tyrant, the beast and his burden and the false prophet who will lead them in worship of the Dragon, and will in their delusion also not recognize just what the mark of the beast is. We are the servants to whom these truths have been revealed as our brother and fellow servant indicated in his revelation of our Lord Yeshua. Here is the quote.Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; As to the Beast. The beast is the alliance and amalgamation of all powers and authorities that serves the Dragon, and in the spiritual realm is the kingdom of darkness. In the material realm it is the Great Harlot; the anti Bride and pseudo church and false kingdom of god that incorporates all the machinations of men who love this world. She rides the beast which, at this time is unseen, but will in due time be seen and marveled at. The whole world will be astonished when they see with their own eyes the beast that rises from the Abyss- the Nephilim or fallen ones or sons of God- who will be revealed as the powers who assist and have assisted the Dragon in his quest to de-throne theAlmighty. He is the god of this world and the Harlot is his earthly bride who lusts after what the Dragon and the beast she rides can provide and which includes the secularly and religiously deceived. Now this may be new to you, but it has been seen by many of us who understand what is coming.Regarding the Mark of the Beast. Take a re-look at the words that describe the mark of the hands and the forehead and you should bear witness to what I am about to write. The mark is not a literal marking, but rather a mode of identification. We must, when the time comes, refuse to be identified by our uniqueness as creatures as the tyrant wishes our individuality be converted to a number. This will be done by a fingerprint scan or retina scan. This is the mark of the hand and forehead, and which identifies us within the beast. Each individual will have a number like no other, and this is the number of the beast. There is much more to this and identifying our individuality will be used as a means to buy and sell and do commerce within the endtime system which is already here and is also part of the beast the Harlot rides. Any who understands basis numerical systems understands the UPC code which already identifies products of purchase has the numbers 666.I believe I started a thread here, or sent out an email to many that has some of this information and related links to support what I write. I will look for it and link it if any are interested.
     
  3. n2thelight

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    Another study on thisScar of Service, 6-6-6There is a storm coming. A choice to make which will determine your eternal destiny.What will you choose?I offer this study to anyone who may be struggling with the meaning of the 'mark in the right hand or forehead' from God's Word.Let's Begin with the Old Testament, where there is a type for us of God's protection with a 'Mark': Ezek 9:4 "And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof".Ezek 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. Mark (Strong's Concordance)8420 tav (tawv); from 8427; a mark; by implication, a signature: KJV-- desire, mark. Primitive ROOT of Mark 8427 tavah (taw-vaw'); a primitive root; to mark out, i.e. (primitive) scratch or (definite) imprint: KJV-- scrabble, set [a mark]. What happened here? What was the mark and the significance of it? What was God saying? Here in the next few verses we can see 'service to the Lord' was instructed as an ordinance to be carried out in the land which God had promised them.Exod 12:22-30 "And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?"So the The Mark on the doorposts was for their protection. As the servants of the one true God, they obeyed His voice. Do you see a type in this for the a mark of the beast? (Well hang on to that thought). God instructed them with what to do to avoid death. Do you think it was merely the blood that saved them, or their obedience to God of whom they served? This mark was physical, but not on their body. Now for the verse in Revelation, keeping in mind that God placed a mark upon those he protected. There is a mark placed upon those who have the truth sealed in their forehead, which is called a 'seal' and there is a mark upon those who do not. The mark is a scar of service, not an actual physical mark. The significance of the right hand is 'to work' [for]. The mark of his name is bowing to the beast (false christ), or a 'badge or servitude', this is idolatry. Rev 14:11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Rev 19:2020 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.Rev 20:44 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.Mark5480 charagma (khar'-ag-mah); from the same as 5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue): KJV-- graven, mark.Mark, 5482 5482 charax (khar'-ax); from charasso (to sharpen to a point; akin to 1125 through the idea of scratching); a stake, i.e. (by implication) a palisade or rampart (military mound for circumvallation in a siege): KJV-- trench.What is the meaning or significance of the right hand? This mark is in the right hand, and in the forehead ? It is the stronger more dexterous side, which is an action word. This is to work. Note the word 'instrument'. This means to receive. right1188 dexios (dex-ee-os'); from 1209; the right side or (feminine) hand (as that which usually takes): KJV-- right (hand, side). That which usually takes, and the root of this (1209) means 'to receive'. This is not referring to a noun (a tangable thing, but rather an action....as in motion.)Now here is the definition of the word 'hand' in this: Hand5495 cheir (khire); perhaps from the base of 5494 in the sense of its congener the base of 5490 (through the idea of hollowness for grasping); the hand (literally or figuratively [power]; especially [by Hebraism] a means or INSTRUMENT): KJV-- hand. This is why our second commandment reads (you can tie 'graven' to this and it is not referring to a piece of art, rather idolatry). We are not to receive any graven image or false god.Exod 20:44 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:Graven6459 pecel (peh'-sel); from 6458; an idol: KJV-- carved (graven) image.Now some information on the seal of God. Similarly to when they placed a mark on the door outwardly in the old testament and were protected, we now have a spiritual mark inwardly to be protected:And here is seal in this:Rev 9:44 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. SEAL 4973 sphragis (sfrag-ece'); probably strengthened from 5420; a signet (as fencing in or protecting from misappropriation); by implication, the stamp impressed (as a mark of privacy, or genuineness), literally or figuratively: KJV-- seal.And here is a seal which is placed on satan himself: Rev 20:33 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.Seal (on satan)4972 sphragizo (sfrag-id'-zo); from 4973; to stamp (with a signet or private mark) for security or preservation (literally or figuratively); by implication, to keep secret, to attest: KJV-- (set a, set to) seal up, stop.Now to help you understand even better I include the following: Gal 6:1717 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.4742 stigma (stig'-mah); from a primary stizo (to "stick", i.e. prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), i.e. (figuratively) scar of service: KJV-- mark. Now, here is something which will help you even more. Some information straight from the manuscripts, which you would not find in your study material (Strongs, Greens, or Biblesoft) on the number 666: Rev 13:1818 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.Here is the copy of the manuscript part of the 666 : Now if you look in Strong's, Green's, or Biblesoft it will tell you the numbers 666 are Strongs numbers 1812, 1835, and 1803. But by looking at the Greek text you can see it is 5516 for all of it: (There is a lot more in this, If you can find it) 4742 stigma (stig'-mah); from a primary stizo (to "stick", i.e. prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), i.e. (figuratively) scar of service: KJV-- mark. STIGMA (Websters Def): It is: a scar, mark or brand, left by a hot iron, a MARK OF SHAME OR DISCREDIT, stain, a specific diagnostic sign of a disease.This clearly tells us that the burning that is going to take place is not from a branding iron which marks us, but the 'scar of service' from serving the false christ. The heart of each person will be where the mark brands or discredits him. This is about worshipping a strange god, a fake who will slip in as a theif in the night, stealing God's children. Be alert! Be aware! If you are in the flesh, the Lord has not yet come.It is my belief that each man/woman will be confronted with a decision to follow the beast, (this is to say receive the mark by bowing and worshipping satan and his image), or you remain true to the true Christ and receive the seal of God and His protection. These things are spiritual choices, not physical marks, it is who you serve as your Lord and Savior. I hope this study helped you understand that the mark of the beast is not a physical mark, but an act of worship.All Scripture for this study was taken from the King James Bible. Word studies were done with the Strong's Concordance. The author is "Shamrock", and the study can be shared freely, (excluding placing this on the web anywhere) only if used in it's entirety, and provided the original author's name is intact, (i.e. , no new author's name is added, and the study remains unaltered). Questions? Email Shamrock, at [email protected].
     
  4. abom

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    What if 666 was applied already by a past world government.
     
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    How so, Abom?
     
  6. herald

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    Yes. We must look at the totality of prophecy, to identify the Beasts, that, The Antichrist will work through.Antichrist has two meanings: "Against Christ," and "False Christ."The greatest deception is that which is closest to the Truth.Peter, "lovingly," tried to advise Jesus, that, He didn't need to die on the cross. Jesus looked at him, and rebuked Satan.James and John thought, that, they would follow Elijah's example and call fire down from heaven upon the Samaritans. Jesus looked at them, and said, "You know not what spirit you are of."Now, if these top disciples could be used by Satan, who do we think we are? We had better fill our hearts and minds with the Word of God, and not the opinions of men.Have you heard of St. Malachy's prophecy? It is posted by the RCC. He was an Irish bishop who visited Rome in 1139 and had a vision. He claimed to have foreseen all of the Popes from the death of Innocent 11, until the destruction of the Church and the return of Christ. He named, exactly, 112 Popes, and wrote a few descriptive words about each one. He gave the manuscript to Pope Innnocent 11, and it was put in the Vatican Archives, until, it was published in 1590.Of the last Pope, he wrote, "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign 'Petrus Romanus' (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people."If this was a vision of God, there remains, only, one more Pope!
     
  7. kendal

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    Rome is a city of 7 hills.666 and the mark of the beast are 2 different things, 666 is just a number of his name.If you study the book of Revelation, you will see those who have the Seal of God also have the Father's name (these 2 are obviously the same thing). Name in the Bible always represents Character, if you research all the Biblical names, they all have a meaning. That is why Saul changed his name to Paul, and also Jacob changed his name to Israel.Those saved will have the character of God, those lost will have the character of man, or of self, or of Satan, which ever one you want to use.Everyone will get either the one or the other.Those who have the seal of God are also keeping the commandments of God. The law of God is also God's express character. That same character which was manifest in Christ Jesus on this earth, the same character which those saved will have.The beast however, is obviously the RCC, and the mark of the beast has to do with worship according to Rev 13. All Satan is doing is trying to make the whole world disobey God's 10 commandments, so they can buy or sell, and this will be done by world-wide laws restricting people from obedience.If you want Bible texts for each of these claims just quote each paragraph you want. Also, study for yourself, don't rely on man, or you will be deceived, sadly those who remain in deception untill the plagues fall will be lost.God bless!!
     
  8. herald

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    Constantine, a christian? He was a sun worshipper. If you see his coins, his image is on one side, and the sun god on the other. Constantine had his brother-in-law, wife and eldest son murdered. He instituted the first Sunday law, (321 A.D.), in order to unite the Pagans and the Christians in the Roman Empire - a political move. Those who worshipped on the Sabbath, were martyred.The sign in the sky was of the cross of Mithras, the sun god. "In this sign, conquer..." Jesus told Peter to put his sword away. His kingdom is not of this world, or else, His servants would fight. When James and John wanted to call fire down from heaven, as Elijah had done, Jesus said to them, "You know not what spirit you are of."Constantine was baptized at his death, thinking, that, baptism would save him. Anyone, that thinks our works can save us, has a rude awakening coming.The Roman church is called, the "Mother of harlots" (Revelation 17). So, who are the "harlots?" The apostate Protestant churches. If you read my posts, "Daniel, Revelation & World History Reveal The Antichrist," and "Revelation 13:11 - Protestant America," you will find, that, it is the apostate religious system, described in Revelation 17, that The Antichrist will work through.If they are not archived on this site, you can find them on www.prophecytalk.com., and many other sites.A Beast in Scripture, represents kingdoms, a woman, often, represents a church. A mark in the forehead, is symbolic of worship, a mark in the hand is symbolic of service.Again, just as in the garden with the tree, it is a question of allegiance. Is our allegiance to the harlot system, or to the Word of God, alone?James said, "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever will be the friend of the world is THE ENEMY of God." James 2 :4."Political correctness, fund-raising, comedy and entertainment, the milk of the Word, rather, than strong meat...Much of what goes on the pulpits is a disgrace. Did Jesus and the Apostles minister such things? Absolutely not. The Word of God is a sword of His Spirit, "dividing asunder, joints and marrow, soul and spirit..." His Word divides the wheat from the chaff.When the prophets, Jesus, and the Apostles ministered the Word and the gifts of the Spirit, they were martyred, not respected by the world.
     
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    The Roman church is called, the "Mother of harlots" (Revelation 17). So, who are the "harlots?" The apostate Protestant churches. If you read my posts, "Daniel, Revelation & World History Reveal The Antichrist," and "Revelation 13:11 - Protestant America," you will find, that, it is the apostate religious system, described in Revelation 17, that The Antichrist will work through.
    Harlots are people worshiping gods other then our God! God called Israel a harlot when she turned from him to other gods. God actually called it an adultery act.
     
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    "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." James 4:4.The churches have become too friendly with the world system.Why aren't we in the USA being persecuted as multitudes in the rest of the world are?Perhaps, because we are, no longer, a serious threat to the powers of darkness.But, my dear brethren, that is going to change. May the Lord help us to be full of His Word and His Spirit.
     
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    Harlots are people worshiping gods other then our God!
    Tama, the main church responsible for this adultery is the Roman Catholic Church. Most doctrines and beliefs that modern day "believers" in the Bible follow are not the scriptural truths that the Bible teaches, but rather the pagan and false beliefs that Rome introduced from paganism.The Seal of God and The Mark of the Beast
     
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    I'm in agreement, with Great I Am's statement,That the mark of the beast is going to be tied to our ability to buy and trade!
     
  13. RND

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    I'm in agreement, with Great I Am's statement,That the mark of the beast is going to be tied to our ability to buy and trade!
    Your "ability" to buy and sell is written in the Parable of the Ten Virgins, which is an extension of the prophecies in Matthew 25.Answer these important questions and you'll have your answer about buying and selling.What does the oil in the lamps represent?What were the virgins that were "out" of oil told to "buy"?Mattherw 251 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. The prophecy in Rev. 13 has nothing to do with being able to "buy/sell" goods but specifically refers to this Parable and what happens to those that are not ready when Christ returns a second time.
     
  14. Christina

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    Question to All/anyWHAT IS THE MARK/SIGN OF GOD?CHRIST?hint:Ex. 13:9Ex. 13:16Deut. 6:8Deut. 11:18Now pay attention here if Antichrist means in "instead of christ" a pretend christ and we just read what the sign ofthe true Christ is would not the mark/sign of the antichrist be a fake facsimile of the true mark/sign?
     
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    Question to All/anyWHAT IS THE MARK/SIGN OF GOD?CHRIST?hint:Ex. 13:9Ex. 13:16Deut. 6:8Deut. 11:18
    Obeying the immortal, perfect, Holy and just Law of God's Commandments, including the 4th Commandment.
    Now pay attention here if Antichrist means in "instead of christ" a pretend christ and we just read what the sign ofthe true Christ is would not the mark/sign of the antichrist be a fake facsimile of the true mark/sign?
    Indeed, a false day of worship in place of the real and approved day of worship. Sunday replaces the seventh-day Sabbath.Sunday is NOT the Sabbath!The RCC has it's own 10 Commandments that are not the same as those written in the Bible. The RCC has perverted the law of God and declared their own law, and their own day of worship that is in direct opposition to the Word of God.Here they even show what they have changed:SECTION TWOTHE TEN COMMANDMENTSHere they RCC fully admits to changing the times of observance that the Lord commanded in His Perfect Law:ROME'S CHALLENGEWhy Do Protestants Keep Sunday? Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Roman Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday. Over one hundred years ago the Catholic Mirror ran a series of articles discussing the right of the Protestant churches to worship on Sunday. The articles stressed that unless one was willing to accept the authority of the Catholic Church to designate the day of worship, the Christian should observe Saturday. Those articles are presented here in their entirety.The RCC has changed times and changed laws just as Daniel the Prophet said they would in Dan. 7:25.
     
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    RND Please stop pushing your religion on everyone. We are here to study and learn the word of God not your religion/denomination. You may believe your religion follows the word fine your choice but the rest of us do not have to agree or be preached at by you.
     
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    RND Please stop pushing your religion on everyone. We are here to study and learn the word of God not your religion/denomination. You may believe your religion follows the word fine your choice but the rest of us do not have to agree or be preached at by you.
    I aplogize.I thought I was agreeing with you.
     
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    You are agreeing with me to a degree but it is the belief in God the seal of God as opposed to the seal of Satan a part of that is to follow Gods law true.But the whole Sabbath thing is your religion I could post many things showing when and what the true Sabbath is but I do not want to go there with you So to agree with me but then qualify by Your Denominational choice is my problem
     
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    You are agreeing with me to a degree
    Yes I am.
    but it is the belief in God the seal of God as opposed to the seal of Satan a part of that is to follow Gods law true.
    Hmmmm. According to the Bible those that do the will of God are those that follow God's commandments.Revelation 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.Revelation 22:14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    But the whole Sabbath thing is your religion I could post many things showing when and what the true Sabbath is but I do not want to go there with you
    I think that is a wise choice on your part.
    So to agree with me but then qualify by Your Denominational choice is my problem
    Quandry. Not a problem.
     
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    Sorry if this is slightly off topic or not exactly the point of the thread. But I was always under the impression that God's seal on us was the Holy Spirit. Also I have heard so many theories as to what the Mark of the Beast is, and who/what the AntiChrist could be (from the EU, to the Pope, ect.) that it could make your head spin. Since it is in the future and NO ONE (excpet God) knows exactly what will go down, isn't it pointless to argue about it? I think that as believers we should focus on our seal. Because thats what actually pertains to us.
     
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