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The Name of Yahshua?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Pariah, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. Pariah

    Pariah New Member

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    Seems like a scholarly argument, and not a theological debate. I am not a scholar, but sharing something I have read from another forum on the name of Yahshua.
    The main obstacles in trying to render His name as YAHshua instead of Yeshua, is created by the fact that there is no Hebrew letter "hey" in Yeshua, and also by the Masoretic vowel pointings or nikud. The tsere that is under the Yod in "Yeshua" in the Hebrew scriptures demonstrates the vocalization of the first syllable as "yay," and not "YAH." This is also true of the Greek vowel eta, which is pronounced "Yay", and is found in the transliterated Greek rendering of Yeshua which is Iesous. Many use Y'shua thinking that it is a shortened version of YAHshua, when in fact, Yshua would represent a truncated version of the long form Yehoshua with the theophoric element "Yeho" removed. This shortening occurred with many names that possessed the theophoric element of the Name of the Almighty during the second temple period.Another example would be Yehowseph shortened to Yoseph. Biblical names such as Yehonatan (Jonathan), Yehoyaqim (Jehoiakim), Yehoshafat (Jehoshaphat), Yehoram (Jehoram), and Yehoshua (Joshua), all have the shva under the yod signifying the "Yeh" vocalization, but the later shortened version of Yehoshua (Yeshua) does not.Some 'teachers' have promoted in their videos and books, that the Messiah's Name is YAHshua, and that it means "Yahweh is our salvation". If we review the meanings of the correct scriptural names, we find that the long form of Yehoshua would translate as "YHVH is salvation" or "He who is (or will be) saves". I am not sure where the 'our' could possibly come from in their constructed name of YAHshua. Some of these same teachers have stated that they do not like to use the name Yeshua, because it only means "salvation". This needs to be clarified, as it is an incorrect statement. Yeshuah (H3444) written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin-Hey, is a feminine noun that means "salvation". Yeshua (H3442) written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, is a masculine noun that means "He is salvation" or "He saves." It is the name that refers to Joshua in the TeNaKh (OT), and is the shortened form of Yehoshua which the name Jesus was derived from. In scripture we find in Matthew 1:21 "for He will save His people from their sins"

    YAH is a STAND ALONE name OR OR OR.......... AT THE END of names, NEVER, NEVER at the beginning of names.

    YAH is misapplied to the YHWH because there is NO SUCH pronunciation in the Hebrew language. It is either YEH or YOH.yasha is to save [verb]yeshuah is salvation [feminine noun]Yeshua [masculine noun] is spelled:Yod-Shin-Vav-AyinYeshua is a shortened form of Joshua/YEHoshua:Yod-Hey-Vav-Shin-Ayin orYod-Hey-Vav-Shin-Vav-AyinYahshua would be spelled:Yod-Hey-Shin-Vav-AyinHowever; yod-hey-shin-vav-ayin IS NOT a Hebrew name - it does NOT exist in Hebrew nor in the Hebrew scriptures.
    If anyone wishes to add to this scholarly "edification", please feel free to do so. If there is a correction to be made, I would like to know. :study:The poster had posted two links to a site that explains it fully as they claim that some of their materials are from other sources. I'd rather quote the poster as the first link says that saying a prayer will not save you, thus I cannot agree with its presentation of the Gospel at the bottom of the page.Acts 2: 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10: 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. :pray:
     
  2. Unorthodox Christian

    Unorthodox Christian New Member

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    It's complicated.Origin of the Name of JesusY'shua(Yeshua, Yehoshua)Hebrew or Aramaic-Greek Y(I)esuos(Pronoun ee yay soos)-English Jesus Yeshua HaMashiach Ben Elohim(Jesus Christ the Son of the True God)
     
  3. Pariah

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    Hi Unorthodox,Thanks for the additional information.Ever wondered why Joseph didn't just name Jesus, Emmanuel, since he had that dream?Matthew 1: 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.I know it is to mean the same thing, but since the scriptures says Emmanuel, then why didn't he name Jesus that name since he was the one that had that dream?
     
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    Remember Isaiah 9:6 He is called many things but there is Only One name. REMEMBER in matthew 28:19 Yeshua HaMashiach prior to ascension told Cephas(Peter) to baptize HaShem Aviah, Bar Abba, Ruach Hakodesh(Father, Son, Holy Ghost). Then 10 days after Peter baptizes in the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ in Acts 2:38. His Name is the NAME above all names. It simply means God is with Us. God was with us in three Types. With Israel, God above us. With CHRIST God with us, now the Holy Spirit of God, God in Us.Emmanuel simply stating that Type of him Being with us through Christ. But the Name still Stands. King Adonai Y'shua HaMashiach
     
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    Okay. Thanks!
     
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    O this is good But I want to ask you.. Are you under the law?
     
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    Unorthodox what church do you go to can I ask.
     
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    Hi rant!
    O this is good But I want to ask you.. Are you under the law?
    Is that question to me or Unorthodox Christian?If to me, no. I am not under the Law. Jesus is helping me live as His thus I am under grace.
     
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    (rant;23942)
    Unorthodox what church do you go to can I ask.
    I'm non-denominational, I used to go to a Big section 501 C3 church, or a Oneness Pentocostal Big ORGANIZED church. When I noticed how organized they were and how the government helped them, I broke off. God used them to baptize me, But from then on I went Alone. Then I went to an Apostolic Church for a while, non-denominational, now I go to sanctuary just to worship. Rant why do you ask?To give you a small bit of info about my faith. I grew up Devote Catholic, then came close to the Seventh Day Adventist denomination, I couldn't keep the physical sabbath, so then I became a Pentecostal, and Now I'm free in Christ.I am not under the law, if your question pertains to me. I am under the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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