First of all, the Church in Rome is the Roman Catholic Church. Do you know of any other church in Rome that is much older than the Catholic Church there claiming to be that Roman Church? No, of course not.
yes i do and it is an assumption that the christian church started there inthe first century is the same one touted by the RCC as their original church. we know from history that the RCC was not organized or started to about 5th or 6th centuries AD. long after the nicene council.
you should go to a Catholic website rather than a non-Catholic website
hahaha that is like an evolutionist saying to a creationist, 'you should go to the evolutionary websites to get the truth about the biblical account...' no just because a RCC website says something doesn't make it true or accurate.
The fact that the Catechism says this is proof that we never said that other churches are fakes.
except that that catechism was contradicted by our pope benedict last year i believe when he stated that the RCC was the only true church because of its false claim of apostolic succession. i do not need to read your organization's websites when your own leaders do not make the same claim.
what you say in your catechisms is not from GOD thus it doesn't matter what they say, it isn't the truth.
As you can see, if you had gone to a Catholic website or even to our Catechism, it says that Christians who are not in union with Rome are joined together with us. Why? Because the Body of Christ is ONE. We all make up the entire mystical Body of Christ. Our Catechism even says that we recognize the same elements of sanctification and truth in other Christian churches
again what your organization says doesn't matter because it is what God says that counts. Jesus said, my sheep hear my voice' which means that they do not teach false doctrines and obey the teachings of the Bible. the quote above is just a weak attempt to get falsehoods included into the true church and to lead unwary people away from salvation into heresy.
In the third place, as I said, we can trace our lineage to the Apostle Peter. The evidence is found in the line of Bishops going back to the first century.
that is not evidence andi know you can't do it for anyone can write a list and declare it it to be true. there isnot one historical piece of real evidence you can point to that suports this claim by the RCC. taking the words of a man 400 years later is NOT evidence either.
There are historical documents from the first to the third century stating that the Apostle Peter was the first Bishop of Rome
there are NO such historical documents stating such that is why they were left out. no one knows who founded or headed the christian church in rome in the first century or even the second let alone the third. you will note that when Paul wrote the epistle to the Romans, the church was already established and it wasn't by peter or he would have been addressed by Paul in the opening Rom. 1: 1-7.
the only historical document that counts, omits Peter and does not recognize him as the leader of the church in that city. nor does it recognize numbers 2 and 3 possibly 4 and 5.
And finally, who did you think were the ones who wrote the Nicene Creed? The Nicene Creed was developed at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., which was convened by Emperor Constantine
it wasn't the RCC organization for it was formed much later in history. the nicene creed is not scripture but based upon it thus we donot have to follow it nor accept it. we have the Bible we do not need creeds. you also forget that constantine was NOT a ruler of the church, he was a secular ruler of a empire and his council did NOT establish what was scripture. the real christian church had already done that by accepting those works which were already authoritative and did not derive their authority from being included in a canon. (metzger: A case for Christ).
lastly, it is the Bible, God and Jesus who determine what the true church is and gives the criteria and guess what---apostolic succession is NOT on the list.
Archaeologist said,
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First lesson for you. DO NOT insult my intelligence and do not tell me what I already know.
Selene was very nice in her reply.
First lesson.
I'll tell you what I want to tell you!
I think people avoid this forum because there are too many mean people on it!
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the r.c.c. is NOT a christian church,
I guess archaeologist has issues and prejudisms and doesn't understanding the Catholic's.
Have I insulted your intelligence enough yet?
several things you need to learn:
1. mind your own business
2. you do not get to say who is insulted and who is not, you do not read minds nor know the breadth of intelligence of posters.
3. you donot get to make assumptions about what other people know or don't know..
4. you do not get to falsely accuse and distort other people's words.
5. that the RCC is not as pure as you would like it to be.