The Priesthood of Christ
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101G
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ERROR, Mary consented to God's word by obedience in having a child without a man while being married. because, she had no clue of the work of this Son,
1st. account. Luke 2:8 "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night."Luke 2:9 "And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid."Luke 2:10 "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people."Luke 2:11 "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."Luke 2:12 "And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger."Luke 2:13 "And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,"Luke 2:14 "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."Luke 2:15 "And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us."Luke 2:16 "And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger."Luke 2:17 "And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child."Luke 2:18 "And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds."Luke 2:19 "But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart."Luke 2:20 "And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them."
Here "ponder" means think about (something) carefully, especially before making a decision or reaching a conclusion. so she didn't consent to any salvation of us or anyone else, she didn't know what Jesus was for, but she was told, because,
2nd. account. Luke 2:34 "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;"Luke 2:35 "(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
3rd. account of not knowing. again, when older she still didn't know, listen to the scriptures, Luke 2:41 "Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover."Luke 2:42 "And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast."Luke 2:43 "And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it."Luke 2:44 "But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance."Luke 2:45 "And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him."Luke 2:46 "And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions."Luke 2:47 "And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers."Luke 2:48 "And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing."Luke 2:49 "And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"Luke 2:50 "And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them."
so this nonesense, "Mary consents to our salvation", is just that, nonesense. it's amazing how people over and over believe a lie, and fall for it no matter what form or shape it come in.
Mary was blessed "among" women, not "above" women. Luke 1:28 "And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
101G
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to be clear, the same way all do, Proverb 3:1-12
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
not the same as Lk 1:30 Adam lost the favor of salvation and Mary found the favor of our salvation she is the mother of our salvation
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101G
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"Adam lost the favor of salvation", if so how did you get here?
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
When I was saved/born again I was in my own home as I said the prayer of repentance after reading a little booklet I had been given. Up to that moment I had always considered myself a Christian. That little book that I read told me different and opened my eyes to the truth. No priests anywhere near me - apart from Jesus. And then I became a part of that royal priesthood.
How were you saved @theefaith ?
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The birth of Christ is not our redemption.
Our redemption occurred because of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
the answer is no! The savior is a priest, and high priest so that requires low priests of the same order
and you are not saved! Matt 24:13
thank God for the light and grace and faith you have received but your fundamentalist ideas are not biblical!
christian baptism is necessary for salvation and being a member of Christ and the new covenant church
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
The answer is YES. We do not need the presence of a priest or any other person to be saved. We only need the presence of the Holy Spirit to open our hearts and minds to the truth. And for me that happened in my own home while I was alone.
What you call my 'fundamentalist ideas' are what I have been taught, and I have only ever been taught by good, righteous and Godly men and women so I choose to stick with them. In the end it won't make a scrap of difference to my salvation whether as I believe I am already saved or as you believe that salvation is yet to come. I am already in God's family and a heir with Christ as well as being part of that holy priesthood.
After I was born again into God's family I was baptised - my infant baptism was meaningless. I am now in Christ and he is in me and I am part of the One True Church of which Jesus is the Head.
then please explain Lk 2:30
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
our salvation is a person not a teaching or event only
no Jesus is a priest and savior so you can’t be saved without a priest!
Jesus is a priest and the only savior so no you can’t be saved without a priest also you can only be born again by Christian baptism
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”
John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)
John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
Born again means Baptism!
The *only* works necessary to *get saved* is to repent and accept the Gospel. Water Baptism is an initiation ceremony and a rite of passage into Christianity, but not a work to "get saved."
2 things are necessary to "get saved." One was accomplished by Christ, and the rest are accomplished by us. Christ *purchased* our redemption--nobody else could do this. We are all agreed on that.
But the other part we do, and that is our response to God's word. God's word reaches out to us in our Lost State and invites us to participate in Christian spirituality. In doing so we choose to abandon our Dead State in favor of a new Living State. This is our work of repentance, and is part of our salvation.
This is the work of repentance we do, not to "purchase" our salvation, but rather, to respond to it. Water Baptism simply embellishes this choice by showing our sincerity in repenting of our former way of life, substituting for it our new spiritual way of life.
I suppose you could say it is also part of the "work" in repenting of our former way of life, thus "saving us." But to say it is critical for salvation is false.
The part that it represents is critical, which is the willful exchange of our old way of life for our new spiritual way of life. This is true salvation. But the paraphernalia associated with repentance, such as water baptism, is not the critical part of salvation. It merely represents what we must do in regard to repentance, in order to be saved.
Philip James
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And how can that be accomplished without His birth?
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; Upon those who dwelt in the land of gloom a light has shone.
Peace be with you!
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