Jun2u said:
In the English language the word “faith” is the noun and the word “believe” is the verb.
I Th 1:3 reads:
“Remembering without ceasing your work of faith...etc.”
Is this the passage you thought you wanted Paul to quote in the OT that you can't twist the meaning of in any way?
First of all, I would appreciate it if you would learn how to use the quote tools here so I don't have to separate all the redundancies in your posts.
The point is what it reads in the Greek grammatically, not the English.
1 Thess 1:3 ACTUALLY reads;
We remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.
I have no idea what you are referring to as I didn't quote this verse nor did I infer it was from the OT? You seem to be in your own little world when it comes to reading responses. Try being a little more cohesive AND coherent.
Jun2u said:
“Free will moral agents”? You are not only denying the existence of the word of God in Ro 3:10-12 to suit your theology but you are really claiming to know more than God! Maybe an example or two might convince you.
Obviously you have no idea what a "free will moral agent" means?
Jun2u said:
When Jesus was at the tomb of Lazarus He cried out, “Lazarus come forth”! Can Lazarus hear Jesus' command? No, he was physically dead four days . But he did come forth! What had to have happened?
Jesus must have reached in to the tomb, give Lazarus life and ears to hear. As Lazarus was physically dead so are we spiritually dead, as Lazarus was physically deaf so are we spiritually deaf and cannot hear the Gospel call, as Lazarus was physically blind so are we spiritually blind and cannot see the true Gospel.
Plus all the miracles we see Jesus did were actually pictures or portraits of salvation. Like the man with the withered hand that grew instantaneously. The man who was bed-ridden for many years and picked up his bed immediately...etc.,...etc.,...etc. Salvation is instant as in the phrase “hath salvation” and you dare speak about OSAS which you absolutely have no knowledge of as you do with salvation????
I think most people, apparently not yourself, can read John 11 in context and know what happened. I have no idea what point you are trying to make here as I never brought up this scripture.
There is NO such thing as spiritually dead. We are either actually or effectually dead physically. Period. End of story. If you don't understand the language of scripture, you can never hope to properly exegete it.
That assertions would be wrong but as you don't supply examples or corroboration for your assertion I can't really deal with it other than to say you obviously have nio idea what I know or don't know because you are so indoctrinated into your beliefs you can't really exegete scripture.
Jun2u said:
Tell me, what were you saved from the moment you got saved? If you say from your sins you do well. How many of your sins did Jesus pay for? If you say past, present and future you do even better. If Jesus is your substitute and savior Who took away your sins demanded by the law to make restitution for your sins, what sin can you commit that will threaten you with hell? N-O-N-E!!! Every sin was paid for.
The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God because they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.
I Co 2:14.
Jesus said except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. How many of us can decide concerning our physical birth? This “born again” Jesus spoke about to Nicodemus is liken unto a real birth.
Just as we do not have a say concerning our physical birth, likewise, We Do Not Have A Say To Our Spiritual Birth In Any Shape Or Form!
Many have quoted Jo 1:12 but have missed the mark, for if they continued on to the next verse 13, they would have learned that it is God's will and not man Who is the king maker!
Well you think I'm not saved so it's not use trying to address you in regards to my salvation. Suffice it to say I have been saved for over 44 years now.
Sins you don't confess (agree with God that they are sins) are not forgiven, but they are covered with the blood of Jesus.
Exactly Jun2u.This would explain a lot of your fallacious assertions.
Being "born again" as Jesus said, is a spiritual birth, NOT a physical one. Apparently you don't understand this just as Nicodemus didn't?
and again you contradict scripture, that clearly states;
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
You really need to learn the Bible Jun2u
Again not understanding the context and setting of John 1 is your problem, not mine or others. What is a fact, is that most of those who CLAIM to have a better understanding of scripture than the majority, usually DON'T. What it does NOT say is God's will, but simple "Born of God". You continue to read your dogmatic POV into scripture.
Jun2u said:
I guess StanJ never have read that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. He it is that endures on our behalf. If left to us we will never, never endure for Satan is a lot stronger foe than us as he comes looking like an angel of light mimicking the Lord Jesus.
IF you are referring to Heb 12:2, it doesn't say AUTHOR, it says 'pioneer'. Again your dogma seems to be based on bad translations of the NT. Do you only read the KJV?
Maybe you should try reading more accurate English translations?
Jun2u said:
I've answered that in the raising of Lazarus.
You didn't really answer anything, you made a fallacious assertion.
Jun2u said:
BrakeLite, and others who think like you should re-evaluate your beliefs on the true nature of Salvation or you will have a rude awakening at Judgment Day.
ANYONE who condemns those who ARE saved, needs to do a whole lot of soul searching. You have questioned many members salvation on this thread and it seems that in itself should be reason enough to censor you.
