THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT WAS FOR ISRAEL

[PeterAndroz]

Thanks for the information. I don't agree that Gentile Christians should regard the Epistles other than those penned by Paul as not applying to them. These verses from the beginning of Peter's first epistle do not apply onlyu to ethnically-Jewish Christians:

NKJV 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
1Pe 1:7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 1:8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,

Anyway, thanks again for providing the information.

When Peter is my Christ selected Apostle & Minister, I will listen to him regarding how to enter Heaven & live my life till then.
For now, that role is the domain of Paul Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9 which even Peter accepted.
If you believe otherwise. then list the verses AFTER Paul was commissioned by Christ that teach any of the 12 have the Christ given authority that Paul CURRENTLY has to believers TODAY :)

 

[David Lamb]

When Peter is my Christ selected Apostle & Minister, I will listen to him regarding how to enter Heaven & live my life till then.
For now, that role is the domain of Paul Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9 which even Peter accepted.
If you believe otherwise. then list the verses AFTER Paul was commissioned by Christ that teach any of the 12 have the Christ given authority that Paul CURRENTLY has to believers TODAY :)

But although Paul was indeed specifically appointed as the apostle to the Gentiles, Peter (not Paul) was sent to Cornelius, a Gentile. Did Cornelius respond by saying, "I won't listen to you. I am a Gentile, and you are not the apostle to the Gentiles"? Of course he didn't. He said to Peter:

Act 10:33 So I sent to you immediately, and you have done well to come. Now therefore, we are all present before God, to hear all the things commanded you by God."

 

[Fred J]

Matt 24 'Gospel of the Kingdom' for today ??

The Gospel of the Kingdom - doctrine.org

The gospel for our day is the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20.24). The word “gospel” (εὐαγγέλιον) means “good news”. The ascended, glorified Lord revealed this gospel to the Apostle Paul. The clearest definition of it is from Paul’s…

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The table below compares the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Gospel of the Kingdom	Gospel of the Grace of God
Proclaimed by John the Baptizer, Jesus, and the Twelve.	Proclaimed by Paul.
Preached to Jew only.	Preached primarily to Gentiles.
Required repentance, baptism, and faith + works.	Requires faith alone, faith + 0.
Content of message was Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of God.	Content of message is the death and resurrection of Christ.
Began with John the Baptizer and stopped during the Acts period (Acts 15.11). Resumes after the Rapture.	Began after Jesus commissioned Paul as the apostle of the Gentiles.

For it is written, 'I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and pervert the Gospel of Christ.' (Galatians1:6&7)

In the book of Acts, from after the day of Pentecost and as Jesus commissioned the 12, to make disciples of all nations consisting scattered Jews and Gentiles, they were proclaiming the same Gospel from the baptism of John.

They were water baptizing responders all the way until Paul's conversion that is towards the middle of the book of Acts.

What makes you think and it make no sense that Paul suddenly came and intrupted the Apostles and church with another gospel?

In the book of Acts, can you name us among the 12 Apostles who were around Paul's time and before?

As it is written, 'O ye foolish Galatians, who have bewitched you?'

 

[Fred J]

Obviously your credentials exceed those of doctrine.org
Please list your qualifications

Here's my qualification, "You know them by their fruits."

 

[PeterAndroz]

But although Paul was indeed specifically appointed as the apostle to the Gentiles, Peter (not Paul) was sent to Cornelius, a Gentile. Did Cornelius respond by saying, "I won't listen to you. I am a Gentile, and you are not the apostle to the Gentiles"? Of course he didn't. He said to Peter:

Act 10:33 So I sent to you immediately, and you have done well to come. Now therefore, we are all present before God, to hear all the things commanded you by God."

Acts 10:33 Back then there STILL WERE divisions
TODAY there no-longer are - Gal 3:28, Col 3:15 Gal 6:15.
Gal 2:7-9
Who did they ALL agree would NOW go the Gentiles ? Peter/12 or Paul ??

Please list the verses that teach FOR TODAY (since there are currently no-more divisions) that the 12 have the unique Christ given authority that Paul has to teach Salvation to you & I ?
Verses David, verses.
Coming back with opinions = you don't have the verses to support your claim.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Here's my qualification, "You know them by their fruits."

So nothing but THINKING you are right.
Your my new favorite 'GOTO' FJ

 

[Fred J]

So nothing but THINKING you are right.
Your my new favorite 'GOTO' FJ

'Blind guides of the blind.'

 

[PeterAndroz]

For it is written, 'I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and pervert the Gospel of Christ.' (Galatians1:6&7)

In the book of Acts, from after the day of Pentecost and as Jesus commissioned the 12, to make disciples of all nations consisting scattered Jews and Gentiles, they were proclaiming the same Gospel from the baptism of John.

They were water baptizing responders all the way until Paul's conversion that is towards the middle of the book of Acts.

What makes you think and it make no sense that Paul suddenly came and intrupted the Apostles and church with another gospel?

In the book of Acts, can you name us among the 12 Apostles who were around Paul's time and before?

As it is written, 'O ye foolish Galatians, who have bewitched you?'

Why did Christ even need to bother with Paul since Christ already had the 12 ?
No rush FJ, take your time

 

[David Lamb]

Acts 10:33 Back then there STILL WERE divisions
TODAY there no-longer are - Gal 3:28, Col 3:15 Gal 6:15.
Gal 2:7-9
Who did they ALL agree would NOW go the Gentiles ? Peter/12 or Paul ??

Please list the verses that teach FOR TODAY (since there are currently no-more divisions) that the 12 have the unique Christ given authority that Paul has to teach Salvation to you & I ?
Verses David, verses.
Coming back with opinions = you don't have the verses to support your claim.

But if there are no divisions today (as there weren't in Paul's day - Romans 10:12) between Jewish and Gentile Christians, why the need for saying there must be two gospels, one for Jews, and one for Gentiles? Many times, Paul says that he preaches the gospel of Christ yet you say Jesus preached a gospel for Jews only, and Paul preached a different gospel for Gentiles.

Incidentally, it was to the 11 that Jesus said these words:

NKJV Mrk 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

He didn't say, "Preach the gospel to the Jews only, because I will appoint an apostle to preach a different gospel to the Gentiles."

Paul says that it is the same gospel of salvation for Jews and for Greeks (i.e. Gentiles):

NKJV Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

 

[Fred J]

Acts 10:33 Back then there STILL WERE divisions
TODAY there no-longer are - Gal 3:28, Col 3:15 Gal 6:15.
Gal 2:7-9
Who did they ALL agree would NOW go the Gentiles ? Peter/12 or Paul ??

Please list the verses that teach FOR TODAY (since there are currently no-more divisions) that the 12 have the unique Christ given authority that Paul has to teach Salvation to you & I ?
Verses David, verses.
Coming back with opinions = you don't have the verses to support your claim.

The 'division' between Jews and Gentiles believers were about the observation laws. and lacking furthermore knowledge pertaining to the Gospel of freedom.

And that's where the Gospel given to Paul revealed to them the conclusion, where Peter continued to minister to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles.

While these 'hiccups' were happening closeby, the others among the 12 Apostles have since ministered the Gospel from the baptism of John to the commissioning of Jesus to all nations.

 

[PeterAndroz]

But if there are no divisions today (as there weren't in Paul's day) between Jewish and Gentile Christians, why the need for saying there must be two gospels, one for Jews, and one for Gentiles? Many times, Paul says that he preaches the gospel of Christ yet you say Jesus preached a gospel for Jews only, and Paul preached a different gospel for Gentiles.

Paul taught the death, burial, resurrection of Christ gospel
Peter didn't even know it until Paul Gal 2:2 'SMACKED' him with it.
Peter Matt 16:22 even REBUKED Christ when Christ spoke of it to the 12
Explain that if Peter taught the same Gospel as Paul !!!
Matt 16:
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

 

[PeterAndroz]

The 'division' between Jews and Gentiles believers were about the observation laws. and lacking furthermore knowledge pertaining to the Gospel of freedom.

And that's where the Gospel given to Paul revealed to them the conclusion, where Peter continued to minister to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles.

While these 'hiccups' were happening closeby, the others among the 12 Apostles have since ministered the Gospel from the baptism of John to the commissioning of Jesus to all nations.

Until Gal 2:2, Peter didn't know the death, burial, resurrection Gospel that Paul was teaching
Peter even REBUKED Christ for mentioning it
Matt 16:
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

 

[Fred J]

Paul taught the death, burial, resurrection of Christ gospel
Peter didn't even know it until Paul Gal 2:2 'SMACKED' him with it.
Peter Matt 16:22 even REBUKED Christ when Christ spoke of it to the 12
Explain that if Peter taught the same Gospel as Paul !!!
Matt 16:
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

Folly!

 

[PeterAndroz]

Folly!

Hey folly mis molly.
List the verses BEFORE Gal 2:2 where Peter taught the death, burial, resurrection of Christ Gospel that Paul taught
No rush fJ, get it right

 

[Fred J]

Until Gal 2:2, Peter didn't know the death, burial, resurrection Gospel that Paul was teaching

Double folly!

 

[PeterAndroz]

Double folly!

And the verses are ?

 

[David Lamb]

Paul taught the death, burial, resurrection of Christ gospel
Peter didn't even know it until Paul Gal 2:2 'SMACKED' him with it.
Peter Matt 16:22 even REBUKED Christ when Christ spoke of it to the 12
Explain that if Peter taught the same Gospel as Paul !!!
Matt 16:
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

Of course we don't read of Peter preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus before those things happened. Like the rest of the disciples, he didn't understand the predictions Jesus gave of these things. But afterwards, Peter preached those things and wrote about them. His preaching on the Day of Pentecost included these words:

NKJV Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
Act 2:24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.

The very first words of his first epistle also speak of the sprinkling of Christ's blood, and His glorious resurrection:

1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

 

[Fred J]

Hey folly mis molly.
List the verses BEFORE Gal 2:2 where Peter taught the death, burial, resurrection of Christ Gospel that Paul taught
No rush fJ, get it right

You're making a mockery of yourself!

 

[PeterAndroz]

But so did Paul preach the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, as he reminded the Christians at Corinth::

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.

Yes, 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the death, burial, resurrection Gospel that Christ Gal 1:11-12 taught UNIQUELY to Paul
Where BEFORE Gal 2:2, did the 12 teach the same ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

You're making a mockery of yourself!

And the verses BEFORE Gal 2:2 where the 12 taught the same death,burial,resurrection of Christ gospel that Paul taught are ?
No rush fj mocker :)