The Source of Unity is Christ

[Pelaides]

You know this is really getting to be insane,instead of fighting evil you guys fight each other.
I left one christian website because of the way they treated the protesants,and now im seeing the same thing here,The catholics are being bashed.
but then again according to what im reading here,the catholics arent christians.L.O.L

 

[Axehead]

You know this is really getting to be insane,instead of fighting evil you guys fight each other.
I left one christian website because of the way they treated the protesants,and now im seeing the same thing here,The catholics are being bashed. but then again according to what im reading here,the catholics arent christians.L.O.L

Was the Christian website where protestants were getting bashed a protestant website?

Correction: Catholicism is not Christian.

I don't see any bashing going on, just a lot of material being presented. We are all learning far more than we want to know about Catholicism.

 

[Rex]

You know this is really getting to be insane,instead of fighting evil you guys fight each other.
I left one christian website because of the way they treated the protesants,and now im seeing the same thing here,The catholics are being bashed.
but then again according to what im reading here,the catholics arent christians.L.O.L

Maybe you zebrahug and Jason can find a site that believes in polygamy while your shopping around.
You seem to want to take up the sword on that front.

I left you a word picture as well

 

[epostle1]

Read the entire article: Antichrist Exalts Himself Above God

Yup. It's by Ian Paisley, world renowned bigot of all bigots, an embarrassment to many Protestants. That's where you get your so called Catholic information. I have a theory that hate speech causes brain damage, similar to the reaction caused by pornography. I should write about it some day.

You play the martyr to a fault. Why don't you take Aspen's critique of Neo seriously? "You can't stir the hive and then cry persecution when the bee stings you".

Do you seriously think people won't stand up for what they believe is the truth. How much longer will you stay and fight with them. Here http://www.christian..._30#entry172778 you are saying you were invested in the third order of St. Francis of Assisi. Why don't you take his prayer seriously? "Lord make me an instrument of your peace...?"

It doesn't mean being a door mat for hate cultists to poop on. Maybe if you and your anti-Catholic buddies would stop your bashing, we might have a discussion on unity. There is a reason you don't know who Ignatius, Clement, and Irenaeus are. (Clement is in the bible, btw) It's largely due to fundamentalist censorship: keep everyone's head in the sand to make it easy to deny your own roots. I'm the one trying to steer the thread back on topic while you and others keep bashing Catholicism. Then you whine about me being the martyr.

If Catholicism is that wrong, then so are you.

I challenge you to find a Catholic web site that uses fake documentation and misrepresents Protestant teaching with the same tone as your pope Ian Paisley. (while you evade my questions). You won't find one. But you can find millions of hate sites just like the one you quoted from...
... telling.

 

[mjrhealth]

There are a few around who insist aon the catholich church bing the true church of God,

In March 2002, a Polish archbishop, a friend and former personal assistant to the Pope, resigned in the wake of sexual abuse charges. In Australia, 51 priests were convicted of child molestation between 1992 and 2003. In England, 21 priests were convicted of sexual molestation between 1995 and 2002.

So tell me what does that say to the world , is this really Gods church? Mind you that could be said of all churches today, not one speciffically.

The blind leading the blind. Do they really want the truth,??

This is not condemnation it is the plain and simple truth. Go look it up for yourself,all that is Hidden will be revealed, it is written in the gospel,

Regards

 

[Axehead]

Yup. It's by Ian Paisley, world renowned bigot of all bigots, an embarrassment to many Protestants. That's where you get your so called Catholic information. I have a theory that hate speech causes brain damage, similar to the reaction caused by pornography. I should write about it some day.

Then you must have a lot of brain damage. Obviously, you are blind to your own bigotry, but so self-righteous in all your pronouncements.

The people that are most effective against the RCC you reserve your most vicious calumnations for. No surprise.

It doesn't mean being a door mat for hate cultists to poop on. Maybe if you and your anti-Catholic buddies would stop your bashing, we might have a discussion on unity. There is a reason you don't know who Ignatius, Clement, and Irenaeus are. (Clement is in the bible, btw) It's largely due to fundamentalist censorship: keep everyone's head in the sand to make it easy to deny your own roots. I'm the one trying to steer the thread back on topic while you and others keep bashing Catholicism. Then you whine about me being the martyr.

It is impossible to have a discussion about unity with you because your "unity" revolves around your mother church and true unity is centered only around Jesus Christ. I am willing to try to have one with you, but can you leave all RCC doctrine behind and just focus on Jesus Christ?

If Catholicism is that wrong, then so are you.

I challenge you to find a Catholic web site that uses fake documentation and misrepresents Protestant teaching with the same tone as your pope Ian Paisley. (while you evade my questions). You won't find one. But you can find millions of hate sites just like the one you quoted from...
... telling.

Your statement sounds good, but is false and you know it.

First of all, find one place where I ever quoted Ian Paisley before now. You can't. He is just one of many sources. And I will not be put on the defensive about him anyway. You feel about him the way you feel about Richard Bennett (ex-Jesuit) priest because they are absolutely courageous in standing up to the RCC. The protestant church should take a lesson from them and stop letting the RCC romance them into submission.

I won't fall into your trap regarding the comparison of churches and people. It is enough just to talk about the doctrines that the RCC proudly proclaims as Gospel truth!

You have an insidious and clever way of injecting your Catholic diatribe into any thread, thereby making it all about YOU again.

You want everyone to feel sorry for you while you laugh at them in your bedroom.

 

[epostle1]

FIVE STAGES OF PERSECUTION

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17024-five-stages-of-persecution/

 

[dragonfly]

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

 

[mjrhealth]

No one is being persecuted, teh truth has being spoken and teh flesh has risen up against teh Spirit, and Offence has taken place and made some angry, thinking they are being persecuted,

Is it not written,

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

But as I said before, Jesus could not convince the religious of the truth so how can we, if they choose to ignore the sins of there church, whichever it may be, then they have made their choice, God imposes Himself on no man.

But for those who have ears, to hear. Listen, time is short, Jesus is coming, His bride will be spotless without blemish, and all those who have not made themselves ready will be left out of teh wedding feast. Their choice, not His,

In All His Love

 

[epostle1]

mjrhealth, Rev. 18:4-8 is not referring to the Catholic Church, or any church, it is referring to pagan Rome: Babylon in Rev. 8:10. Equating the Catholic Church with Babylon defies reason and everything we know of Christian history. It requires scriptural contortions of the greatest magnitude and a complete re-write of the early Church but people are stupid enough to believe it. "death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire" was fulfilled with the fall of Rome, and the Church flourished under 300 years of severe persecution.

Let me illustrate how gullible people can be.

"The seven heads represent seven hills on which the woman sits." Duh, that must mean the Vatican. duh.

How many times have you seen this whopper?

First of all, no Pope has ever lived or had his "seat" (cathedra or cathedral) on any of the seven hills of Rome. Any map shows this. The Vatican is on the other side of the Tiber river and nowhere near the seven hills.

Second of all, those who wish to demonize the Catholic Church never mention the spirituality of the anti-Christ.
. In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too).

THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST. There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom.

"...come out of her, my people" makes no sense when it is so grossly misapplied.

 

[mjrhealth]

Its ok Kepha. im not trying to convert you. I cant its not my problem, but there are many who read these forums who desire the truth, who have heard from the holy Spirit for them selves, who seek only Christ and the truth, who desire nothing but to please our Father,God and to see Jesus glorified. They do not desire to follow after men, they have received the Holy Spirit, Jesus is their Shepard and they are His sheep, They know Him and He knows them, there salvation is sure because it happened when they believed, they know they can do nothing to add to the price, Jesus paid for them in full. They belong to Him, they belong to no man no country, there home is i heaven, they are strangers in a strange land, passing through, the Sons of God, redeemed from men, in the world but not of the world. The way it is supposed to be.

In His Love

 

[dragonfly]

Hi kepha,

True, bishops have been martyred, but as an expert in Roman Catholic history, please tell me how many Popes have died for their faith?

 

[Axehead]

Popes have bodyguards (The Swiss Guard) and used to have their own armies.

 

[Rex]

The RCC suffered a blow in 1798 when Napoleons General marched into the Vatican and removed the Pope his ring and had him imprisoned in France.
He died in captivity.

 

[Axehead]

Ahh, yes, because the Pope not only declares he is the Spiritual head of the Church but also that he is the Temporal King on earth. This makes him a head of state and a political leader and fair game in a political war. He still retains power to depose princes.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi kepha,

You won't find one.

How can you be so sure? Catholic documentation itself acknowledges the RCCs 'fake documentation'.



You probably don't realise this, because you seem to believe what you write, even when you say two opposite things in the same thread, (and no, I'm not going to go looking for any examples. If you want to find some, there are plenty of them. You can look for them in your own time.) but your arguments are about as durable as a house built on sand.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi aspen,

It's two weeks since I posted a reply to your questions to Rex, and slowly it has been coming to me that there are other ways to 'judge' a relationship with Jesus than talking about it or defining it verbally according to the scripture. In so saying, I am not retracting what I did say, but I am adding to it, and I hope you can 'hear' it in a softer tone on my part. From post #23 above.

you said
[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]You haven't noticed my relationship with Jesus? I am honestly surprised. The majority of my posts do not push Catholicism. I really thought you were able to recognize this. I've also been here for several years and I post a lot.[/background]

I began my reply -
You don't push Catholicism much, 'tis true, and that is very very welcome. Your relationship with Jesus I don't feel I know about. Perhaps you've posted more about it in the past. I don't doubt you have one, but I'm unclear of its terms of reference in respect of what you think you've received, or whether what you've received is what the Bible says is on offer.

What I want to add is, I do recognise from your general tones and written verbal restraint, that you are reflecting a likeness to Christ.

 

[whitestone]

The Christian Faith is from Jesus and Jesus built the Faith upon His apostles and their successors, His Church alone is built on those teachings from His apostles as authorized by Jesus,show me from Holy Scripture where Jesus ever gave his authority to you or any of your church/cult founders?

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

There is my "authority" if you need "authority". There is no 'other' authority. The Church is built upon other men who confess this, they told me, I tell others, THEY tell others, so on and so forth. THAT is how the Spirit of Christ works within His Body of believers. NOT through one puffed up denomination like catholic or JW or Mormon or Hindu or Muslim etc lol. All man-made religions like these "CLAIM" to be of God... but it is easy to discern who is or isn't by the fruit of the Spirit they have or don't have.

I notice Axehead Dragonfly and Episkopos are men of God here with excellent understanding from the same place of which I draw upon for knowledge wisdom understanding and love. Hail and Salutations to you dear brethren. Your words are purely of the Spirit of Christ and I am pleased to see your posts.

Whitestone