The Sovereign Wills

[DPMartin]

Floyd

Peter believed hence knew when he said thou art the Christ, didn’t Jesus witness to the fact that Peter wouldn’t have known unless the Father revealed it?

Math:16:17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Hence how does one come to believe? It’s by revelation correct? And that revelation that God really is and the Way really is through Jesus Christ is known by revelation, therefore believed. For example Theists believe there is a God (Creator and Judge) but don’t know God and don’t know that He is, as a certainty. As in, you know that you know that you know.

And by who is God revealed, surly it is of God therefore by the will of God does God reveal Himself that He is. No one makes the Lord God reveal Himself.
A simple example is a Billy Graham speech given to thousands in a stadium some see and come to know and some don’t. They all heard the same words and physically saw the same things.

The revelation is to the chosen, Jesus revealed Himself to the chosen after His resurrection. Hie didn’t reveal Himself to the Pharisees did He? And also, didn't Jesus tell the Apostles that He chose them and they didn’t choose Him? Wasn’t Saul now Paul persecuting believers one the road to Damascus. Paul didn’t chose to have the Lord Himself reveal Himself to Paul. Saul didn't believe in Jesus as the Christ until it was revealed to him.

 

[Floyd]

DPMartin: your quote from Peter is out of Dispensation!
Our Lord at that time was only dealing with Israel, and the Holy Spirit's revelation Peter was part of the witness to Christ's Deity; which the Roman Church has misused to establish their dominance and erroneous control of millions of people!
You will need to move on to Paul's teaching and understanding to make progress re. the current position; which is that "all who will may come" to Jesus in trust/faith for Salvation!
Floyd.

 

[DPMartin]

Sorry your use of “dispensation” sounds very Catholicism. Chosen is chosen and it’s a demonstration of God’s choosing whom He will for what ever in His creation. It wasn’t Peter's choice, is was God’s choice. There were hundreds of thousands of Israelites that Jesus walked amongst and preached to about the Kingdom of God, how is it that Peter is one of the few that believed, knew who Jesus really is? Oh did you say a witness of the Holy Spirit, wouldn’t that be revelation? Jesus the Christ revealed Himself in word and deed in the Son of man to Israel as a Israelite as promised who knows how many times in the OT. But yet only a few, knew who Jesus was at the time.

Peter came to know and believe that Jesus is the Christ by revelation, no one is saved without the acknowledgment of the very same thing Peter stated, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” if you don’t acknowledge this then you are not saved. And Peter was an Israelite therefore automatically acknowledging Jesus as Lord, Peter’s Lord.No different then acknowledging Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior, that’s who the Messiah is prophesied to be.

 

[Floyd]

You have a lot further to go to understand!
Floyd!

 

[DPMartin]

No Floyd, I understand, I was rased by Individual anarchist, the individual and their will over any kinds of external determinants such as groups, society, traditions, and ideological systems. Individualist anarchism is not a single philosophy but refers to a group of individualistic philosophies that are in conflict. So every time one runs into one in debate the stands they take is always different because of their belief in their own "freewill" their own view of things is always correct to them unless proven incorrect where as some one who understands God’s Choice, (not Calvinism) one understands that the Lord’s view is correct at all time and is the Truth. If the Lord is truly one’s Lord then the Lord’s Choice is what matters. One can request, but the Lord God chooses to grant.

I also was rased in a Catholic family environment, I know Catholicism and what is from Catholicism when I see it.

 

[Floyd]

See the following:
Floyd.


Whey The Roman Church is not of Almighty God (Separate Study) in www.revellationsmessage,co.uk under Subjectindex

 

[DPMartin]

Floyd I’m not a fan of the Catholic Church, but you must remember that there are many believers in the Truth of God serving in that environment. They just don’t get promoted to places of authority and position that can effect the out come of what is taught in that church. So watch out for who you bad mouth, the Lord knows His own who struggle within that Church.
And your effort to always have the last word by posting what seems to be anything that comes to your mind (some call it brain farts) is becoming a bore.

 

[Floyd]

DPMartin: if you had read the Link, you would see that your point is covered in the text!!!
Floyd.