The Transition from Time...to Eternity.

[ScottA]

I find myself referring to this in many different threads where it is mostly overlooked as if not being the topic. Perhaps it's time for it to be its own topic--or rightly a part of every topic! Which is the transition from the times of this world to eternity.

Most have not realized that "rightly dividing the word of truth" means dividing those passages of scripture that speak of the times of this world, from those that speak rather of the kingdom (not of this world) and eternity...and that the transition between the two if visualized would appear like an image of warp drive time travel. But being creatures of time and this world, the very idea of inserting such a transition into the many biblical discussion here, it is completely rejected. Yet, does that very transition not await us all?

How then are any of these discussions at all relevant to God--if that eternal part that comes is rejected? Is the word of God only to be a closed circuit and separate from God as the world is separate?

On the contrary--it is not closed, but open, and yet closed by many among the church, many here.

To the contrary--of what is otherwise witnessed here daily, spiritualizing everything should not be a subject of ridicule and looked down upon, but should be considered the very thing that has been promised and waited for. And God being spirit, such things should not be passed off as "mystic", or "gnostic", etc. in name-calling as if derogatory--but as music from heaven to the ears of all who are even wanting to hear and see what the Spirit brings.

Nonetheless, the track record is rather to stone the prophets and kill those who are sent.

Is it not "on topic" to speak of the transition from time to eternity at every turn?

Surely, it should be.

 

[Keturah]

Thank you.
I am sooooooo looking forward to transitioning from time to eternity!

Praise the Lord from whom ALL blessings flow!

 

[Timtofly]

How does a creation exist without time?

Eternity already existed prior to current creation. Why is there the claim God will create Eternity in the future?

 

[ScottA]

How does a creation exist without time?

Eternity already existed prior to current creation. Why is there the claim God will create Eternity in the future?

Time and all this world is "passing away." But why? Because it was created for a purpose that is to be fulfilled, fulfilled in Christ.

But, no, eternity like God, is not created, but always was and always is; and is only to come for those who have been lost from it and found.

 

[Timtofly]

Time and all this world is "passing away." But why? Because it was created for a purpose that is to be fulfilled, fulfilled in Christ.

But, no, eternity like God, is not created, but always was and always is; and is only to come for those who have been lost from it and found.

So no new creation at all then? There will be no New Jerusalem, no heaven, and no earth in the near future?

 

[ScottA]

So no new creation at all then? There will be no New Jerusalem, no heaven, and no earth in the near future?

The word "new" is correct within the limited context of those who were lost and perishing (as if no longer existing in God). But otherwise, no, nothing new, but rather "the same yesterday, today, and forever."

 

[Timtofly]

The word "new" is correct within the limited context of those who were lost and perishing (as if no longer existing in God). But otherwise, no, nothing new, but rather "the same yesterday, today, and forever."

We are not talking about God. We are talking about the current status of creation under the curse of sin, and the bondage of decay. Sin is eternal now along with eternal corruption?

You claim time ceases to exist, but sin continues because there is no more creation?

Why not keep creation, but remove sin, and time has to be part of creation, because time is not sin. Time is just creation in motion.

 

[Enoch111]

Eternity already existed prior to current creation. Why is there the claim God will create Eternity in the future?

Eternity will not be "created" in the future but will simply "pick up" where it left off at creation. Creation and time were inextricably connected, and we are actually told that in Genesis 1. But in Revelation we are told that "time shall be no more". That is after the creation of the New Heavens and the New Earth. That will be the transition from time to eternity (timelessness in the future). This is something beyond human reckoning.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (1 Cor 2:9)

 

[Timtofly]

Eternity will not be "created" in the future but will simply "pick up" where it left off at creation. Creation and time were inextricably connected, and we are actually told that in Genesis 1. But in Revelation we are told that "time shall be no more". That is after the creation of the New Heavens and the New Earth. That will be the transition from time to eternity (timelessness in the future). This is something beyond human reckoning.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (1 Cor 2:9)

It never says time is no more.

It says time is finished for Daniel's 70 weeks and Adam's 6,000 years of punishment.

God does not tell us everything about the NHNE. But God does not say there will be no time. In fact:

"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

How do you get months, if there is no time?

Twelve different fruits for 12 months. Is that a year?

 

[ScottA]

We are not talking about God. We are talking about the current status of creation under the curse of sin, and the bondage of decay. Sin is eternal now along with eternal corruption?

You claim time ceases to exist, but sin continues because there is no more creation?

Why not keep creation, but remove sin, and time has to be part of creation, because time is not sin. Time is just creation in motion.

Yes, we are talking about God. We are talking about transitioning this whole worldly way of thinking about everything within the context of time, to entering into Christ in God, who is as if "the same yesterday, today, and forever", meaning without time.

But no, sin and corruption is not eternal, it has a beginning and an end.

But don't misunderstand, it is not that "time ceases to exist", but rather that it never really did exist and this has all been God walking us through the pages of a book (as it were) of revealing the details--not so much about what shall be, but what is. When we are finished then, everything is as if new [to us], not because it is, but because we have just come to know it. Therefore, when Christ too finished His walk, He said, "It is finished."

As for creation, it was finished from the beginning ("and then He rested"). Again, creation and time are just as if a book, having been written then read, which was not actually finished when read, but when written--which like the Lamb who was slain, was "before the foundation of the world", that is--before creation and before time. Thus, when it is revealed to all, just as with Christ, "It is finished." But do not think that sin and corruption continue--no, they are eliminated in the process, just as darkness is eliminated with the coming of light.

Time on the other hand is simply the vehicle by which all things come to the Light of Christ and God. In God, who is perfect, time does not exist...and what is not perfect, ends in its time. Therefore, Jesus, said of those who love and follow Him, "You shall be perfect, just as you Father in heaven is perfect", meaning without time.

 

[ScottA]

It never says time is no more.

Revelation 10:1-6​

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:​

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,​

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.​

4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.​

5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,​

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:​

 

[Enoch111]

It never says time is no more.

At the very least you should have gone to the book of Revelation before making this misleading statement. So here is the verse that refutes what you just said: And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: (Rev 10:6)

 

[Truth7t7]

But don't misunderstand, it is not that "time ceases to exist"

More metaphysical gobbly goop that opposes scripture seen below

Earthly time started when God created the first day, earthly time will cease at the future second coming "Time No Longer"

Genesis 1:5KJV
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[rockytopva]

How does a creation exist without time?

Eternity already existed prior to current creation. Why is there the claim God will create Eternity in the future?

Eternity is forever therefore it is impossible to calculate it. If we were to think of a way to calculate time what would we do when we ran out of numbers?

 

[Timtofly]

Revelation 10:1-6​

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:​

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,​

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.​

4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.​

5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,​

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:​

Yes, Daniel's 70 weeks ran out of time.

Adam's punishment ran out of time.

Time itself keeps going.

 

[Timtofly]

Eternity is forever therefore it is impossible to calculate it. If we were to think of a way to calculate time what would we do when we ran out of numbers?

We live in creation. Only God lives in eternity. You are claiming we literally become God.

 

[Timtofly]

At the very least you should have gone to the book of Revelation before making this misleading statement. So here is the verse that refutes what you just said: And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: (Rev 10:6)

Yes, Daniel's 70 weeks are over.

Yes, Adam's punishment is over.

Time is not over.

 

[Adventageous]

I find myself referring to this in many different threads where it is mostly overlooked as if not being the topic. Perhaps it's time for it to be its own topic--or rightly a part of every topic! Which is the transition from the times of this world to eternity.
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Time still exists in eternity:

Isa_66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[Adventageous]

More metaphysical gobbly goop that opposes scripture seen below

Earthly time started when God created the first day, earthly time will cease at the future second coming "Time No Longer"

Genesis 1:5KJV
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 10's "that there should be time no longer" refers to the time prophecy that had been sealed in Daniel 12. In other words, there is no more prophetic time as a test.

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.​

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Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.​

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.​

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.​

Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.​

The fulfillment of the "blessed" of Daniel 12:12 is found in Revelation 14:13, and the end of the 1,335 (AD 508 - AD 1843/44, the second witness to the ending of the 2,300 (457 BC - AD 1843/44) of Erza 6:14, 7:1-28; Daniel 8:13-14,26, 9:24-27, Rev. 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12)

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.​

Revelation 10 begins with the unsealing of it:

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Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:​

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Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,​

 

[rockytopva]

We live in creation. Only God lives in eternity. You are claiming we literally become God.

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer. - Revelation 10:5-6

It will be impossible to account for days in the afterlife as it is in eternity. How would we make a statement such as, “Yea! I remember the time Michael stumbled up the stairs! Hmmm… What was that? Some 1,000,000,000,000,000 days ago?”