The Trinity! Is it found in the old testament?

[Writer]

The word Trinity is not found in the bible, however, the bible speaks of a triune God and so does the Old Testament.

In Genesis 1 we read: "...and the spirit of God moved upon the waters of the deep". Not God move, but rather the "SPIRIT" of God moved. That is, the "HOLY" Spirit. In the Gospel of John we read: "In the begining was the word, and the word was 'with' God, and the word 'was' God". Although when we read Genesis, it makes no mention of Gods word, but John received revelation from the Holy Spirit that when God spoke, God was giving a command..."Let there be light..." and His word went forth to create it. "and God 'SAW' (past tense) that it was good. God was not calling Light to come forth, God was giving His word the command to create it. Again, John says in His written inspiration as documented in John3, the word of the Holy Spirit, " 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The Holy Spirit raises Gods word as the creator. Again in the 14th verse "...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld Him..."

So indeed we see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. On the seventh day God rested, or stoped, because at that time, there was nothing left to create. In the second chapter of Genesis, we don't see God as the sole individual speaking anymore, but rather now for the first time we see the title "LORD" God and continues throughout. God rested on His word on the seventh day, and the Word after completeing the creation, became the Lord God of His creation, becoming one with God and being 'with' God.

The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters of the deep because before God could do anything with a formless and void world with darkness upon it (death buried the land which held the nutrients of life) so the Holy Spirit sanctified the land deep below the surface of the waters and sanctified it, or set it apart, and then God was able to separate the waters from the waters, raise up the land from the deep and create "NEW" life. That is what the Holy Spirit does.

We are a NEW creation born from above, raised up by the sactification, or baptism of the Holy Spirit. No longer considered unworthy of being one with God. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...".

 

[ProverbsInPink]

No.

Isaiah 43:1 I , even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one.


Job 23:13 “But He is unique and who can turn Him?
And what His soul desires, that He does."


Source: 13 Bible verses about God Is One

 

[Writer]

No.

Isaiah 43:1 I , even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one.


Job 23:13 “But He is unique and who can turn Him?
And what His soul desires, that He does."


Source: 13 Bible verses about God Is One

One in God does not equate automatically to 3 persons in one. My attempt was to show the 3 in one from the very first page of the bible and to show how they operate as one. God being the Comander, the Son being the "Lord" God as the Creator and Savior, and the Holy Spirit being the power that provides New Life.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

One in God does not equate automatically to 3 persons in one. My attempt was to show the 3 in one from the very first page of the bible and to show how they operate as one. God being the Comander, the Son being the "Lord" God as the Creator and Savior, and the Holy Spirit being the power that provides New Life.

The point is,it is God. Jesus is not a separate and distinct person from God. We know this because God tells us so in Isaiah 43:11.

We know God is the Holy Spirit,so that Holy Spirit in scripture is God.
For those that think it's not,besides contradicting scripture , those that think it is would have to find scripture where God describes himself as other than Holy Spirit.

 

[quietthinker]

No.

Isaiah 43:1 I , even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one.


Job 23:13 “But He is unique and who can turn Him?
And what His soul desires, that He does."


Source: 13 Bible verses about God Is One

Ever heard of one hand clapping?
Ever heard love being unipolar?
Ever heard of the deaf not hearing because they refuse to hear?
Ever heard of wisdom in bed with foolishness?

I guess all this is possible in the mind which can't tell the left hand from the right!

 

[JLB]

The word Trinity is not found in the bible, however, the bible speaks of a triune God and so does the Old Testament.

In Genesis 1 we read: "...and the spirit of God moved upon the waters of the deep". Not God move, but rather the "SPIRIT" of God moved. That is, the "HOLY" Spirit. In the Gospel of John we read: "In the begining was the word, and the word was 'with' God, and the word 'was' God". Although when we read Genesis, it makes no mention of Gods word, but John received revelation from the Holy Spirit that when God spoke, God was giving a command..."Let there be light..." and His word went forth to create it. "and God 'SAW' (past tense) that it was good. God was not calling Light to come forth, God was giving His word the command to create it. Again, John says in His written inspiration as documented in John3, the word of the Holy Spirit, " 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The Holy Spirit raises Gods word as the creator. Again in the 14th verse "...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld Him..."

So indeed we see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. On the seventh day God rested, or stoped, because at that time, there was nothing left to create. In the second chapter of Genesis, we don't see God as the sole individual speaking anymore, but rather now for the first time we see the title "LORD" God and continues throughout. God rested on His word on the seventh day, and the Word after completeing the creation, became the Lord God of His creation, becoming one with God and being 'with' God.

The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters of the deep because before God could do anything with a formless and void world with darkness upon it (death buried the land which held the nutrients of life) so the Holy Spirit sanctified the land deep below the surface of the waters and sanctified it, or set it apart, and then God was able to separate the waters from the waters, raise up the land from the deep and create "NEW" life. That is what the Holy Spirit does.

We are a NEW creation born from above, raised up by the sactification, or baptism of the Holy Spirit. No longer considered unworthy of being one with God. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...".

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; Genesis 1:26

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; Genesis 1:26

Keep reading.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

 

[JLB]

Keep reading.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

God (Us) created mankind in the image of God (Us).

Was Eve created in the image of God?

God gave "them" mankind dominion.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

God (Us) created mankind in the image of God (Us).

That's not what verse 17 says.

Did a plural God confuse the language of people in Genesis 11:7?

Was Eve created in the image of God?

Yes.

God gave "them" mankind dominion.

Them, refers to Adam and Eve

 

[David in NJ]

No.

Isaiah 43:1 I , even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one.


Job 23:13 “But He is unique and who can turn Him?
And what His soul desires, that He does."


Source: 13 Bible verses about God Is One

Dear PinP,

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God



John walked with the LORD and is an Apostle chosen by CHRIST = John was given Special Insight by the Holy Spirit.
What John wrote in his opening sentence of the Gospel is the Highest Form of Blasphemy if God were a single Entity.

John 1:1 is a direct parallel to Genesis 1:1-3

"In the beginning is the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" = 3 times "WORD" in One Declaration and sentence.

Notice this "the Word was with God.........the Word was God = that is TWO Individuals that are Both God.

But there are THREE Individuals who are Echad Elohim translated "One God"

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning Elohim = John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word
Genesis 1:2 and the Spirit of Elohim = John 1:1 and the Word was with God
Genesis 1:3 and Elohim SAID/Word = John 1:1 and the Word was God

Genesis 1:1-3 Elohim(God) is mentioned THREE times

Genesis 1:26 - Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = THREE times PLURAL

Genesis 1:27 - So Elohim(Plural) created man in His own image; in the image of Elohim He created him; male and female He created them.
THREE times spoken

Genesis 1:27 These are the Elohim of the Gospel = The THREE HE's = HE the FATHER, HE the Word/Son, HE the Holy Spirit

John 14:15-17 If you love Me/Jesus/He, you will keep My commandments. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

Read the Gospel of John and write down every place where the FATHER is, the WORD/Jesus is and where the HOLY SPIRIT is.

Without THREE, who are ECHAD/ONE GOD, no one could be Saved.

 

[soberxp]

The word Trinity is not found in the bible, however, the bible speaks of a triune God and so does the Old Testament.

In Genesis 1 we read: "...and the spirit of God moved upon the waters of the deep". Not God move, but rather the "SPIRIT" of God moved. That is, the "HOLY" Spirit. In the Gospel of John we read: "In the begining was the word, and the word was 'with' God, and the word 'was' God". Although when we read Genesis, it makes no mention of Gods word, but John received revelation from the Holy Spirit that when God spoke, God was giving a command..."Let there be light..." and His word went forth to create it. "and God 'SAW' (past tense) that it was good. God was not calling Light to come forth, God was giving His word the command to create it. Again, John says in His written inspiration as documented in John3, the word of the Holy Spirit, " 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The Holy Spirit raises Gods word as the creator. Again in the 14th verse "...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld Him..."

So indeed we see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. On the seventh day God rested, or stoped, because at that time, there was nothing left to create. In the second chapter of Genesis, we don't see God as the sole individual speaking anymore, but rather now for the first time we see the title "LORD" God and continues throughout. God rested on His word on the seventh day, and the Word after completeing the creation, became the Lord God of His creation, becoming one with God and being 'with' God.

The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters of the deep because before God could do anything with a formless and void world with darkness upon it (death buried the land which held the nutrients of life) so the Holy Spirit sanctified the land deep below the surface of the waters and sanctified it, or set it apart, and then God was able to separate the waters from the waters, raise up the land from the deep and create "NEW" life. That is what the Holy Spirit does.

We are a NEW creation born from above, raised up by the sactification, or baptism of the Holy Spirit. No longer considered unworthy of being one with God. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...".

Can it then be understood that darkness and evil are there to set off light and righteousness?

 

[JLB]

Keep reading.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

Them, refers to Adam and Eve

Yes

 

[soberxp]

Was Eve created in the image of God?


Yes

 

[Muna]

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

God (Us) created mankind in the image of God (Us).

Was Eve created in the image of God?

God gave "them" mankind dominion.

You know what that also reminds me of a little? Of how Christ was hid in God (and the wording, "came out" from God) as shown us in the woman was also hid in Adam, and taken out of Him a little, if you catch what I mean. Just n the sense of them being two (yet one) but "us" and we ourselves in the same image as them (who are one).

I am so in for it if I worded that wrong

Edit Typo

 

[Writer]

The point is,it is God. Jesus is not a separate and distinct person from God. We know this because God tells us so in Isaiah 43:11.

We know God is the Holy Spirit,so that Holy Spirit in scripture is God.
For those that think it's not,besides contradicting scripture , those that think it is would have to find scripture where God describes himself as other than Holy Spirit.

If Jesus is not an "individual" than why give Him a name that is the name "ABOVE" all names? Why give Him the title of LORD God? If Jesus is not an individual than the Catholics are correct, that Mary is the Mother of God and gave birth to God. So, how can she be His mother and not His wife since she was impregnated by God. How can she be His mother if she wasn't even in the creation picture while God was laying the foundation of the world? If Jesus was God the Father, why did John say "we beheld Him as the only begotten of the Father?

 

[Muna]

If Jesus is not an "individual" than why give Him a name that is the name "ABOVE" all names? Why give Him the title of LORD God? If Jesus is not an individual than the Catholics are correct, that Mary is the Mother of God and gave birth to God. So, how can she be His mother and not His wife since she was impregnated by God. How can she be His mother if she wasn't even in the creation picture while God was laying the foundation of the world? If Jesus was God the Father, why did John say "we beheld Him as the only begotten of the Father?

Heres a few comparisons between them and what they were called

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus confirms that David by the Holy Ghost calls him "my Lord" here

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Elizabeth also, who was filled with the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:41) and calls him "my Lord" here saying

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

The apostles tell us,

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

It does not mean that the Word that was both God and with God (which was made flesh) was not God, but rather, that he is made Lord and Christ for us, and all things were put under Jesus feet but the one who put all things under him is excepted. (1 Cr 15:27)

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Isaiah 11::6
For to us a child [Jesus] is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father.


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

“This is what the Lord says Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.” – Isaiah 44:6


“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.” Isaiah 46:9

“For who is God besides the Lord? And who is the Rock except our God?” – Psalm 18:31


Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

 

[soberxp]

Isaiah 11::6
For to us a child [Jesus] is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father.


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

“This is what the Lord says Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.” – Isaiah 44:6


“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.” Isaiah 46:9

“For who is God besides the Lord? And who is the Rock except our God?” – Psalm 18:31


Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

1 Corinthians 1:31
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2 Corinthians 10:17
But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[Writer]

Isaiah 11::6
For to us a child [Jesus] is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father.


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

“This is what the Lord says Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.” – Isaiah 44:6


“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.” Isaiah 46:9

“For who is God besides the Lord? And who is the Rock except our God?” – Psalm 18:31


Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

If Jesus is not an "individual" than why give Him a name that is the name "ABOVE" all names? Why give Him the title of LORD God? If Jesus is not an individual than the Catholics are correct, that Mary is the Mother of God and gave birth to God. So, how can she be His mother and not His wife since she was impregnated by God. How can she be His mother if she wasn't even in the creation picture while God was laying the foundation of the world? If Jesus was God the Father, why did John say "we beheld Him as the only begotten of the Father?

I think this verse will always overcome the triune argument.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

When John 1 gives us the answer to your Jesus begotten question.
The word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus was brought into existence, begotten, by God. Son of God. Born through Mary, son of man.