The Trinity! Is it found in the old testament?

[Muna]

I think this verse will always overcome the triune argument.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

When John 1 gives us the answer to your Jesus begotten question.
The word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus was brought into existence, begotten, by God. Son of God. Born through Mary, son of man.

There is no salvation apart from Christ because even he said,

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

There is no salvation apart from Christ because even he said,

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.

Which reiterates ,
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

 

[Muna]

Same

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way
John 8:28 ... but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.


John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

 

[Muna]

Which reiterates ,
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.


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You cannot have the Father without the Son, the Father was in the Son recconciling the world to himself

 

[quietthinker]

Keep reading.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

God is transgender? That should upset a few apple carts for those marching ahead with 'the biblical' banner!

 

[Muna]

God is transgender? That should upset a few apple carts for those marching ahead with 'the biblical' banner!

I asked AI, since I could not find the term transgender in the scripture to see what it meant and where it come from

This is what it said,

The term "transgender" was first used in a medical context by psychiatrist John F. Oliven in his 1965 book Sexual Hygiene and Pathology, where he introduced the term "transgenderism" to describe an "urge for gender (‘sex’) change".

 

[quietthinker]

I asked AI, since I could not find the term transgender in the scripture to see what it meant and where it come from

This is what it said,

The term "transgender" was first used in a medical context by psychiatrist John F. Oliven in his 1965 book Sexual Hygiene and Pathology, where he introduced the term "transgenderism" to describe an "urge for gender (‘sex’) change".

I guess machines (AI) are smart enough to be believed and therefore deferred to on any moral difficulty which flesh and blood brains can't figure out?

 

[Muna]

I guess machines (AI) are smart enough to be believed and therefore deferred to on any moral difficulty which flesh and blood brains can't figure out?

Your just jealous that its quicker and more believable than you QT.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

You cannot have the Father without the Son, the Father was in the Son recconciling the world to himself

That's precisely what John 1 tells us. Jesus was God on Earth.
John 1 is sustained by this,
"I , even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."

 

[Muna]

That's precisely what John 1 tells us. Jesus was God on Earth.
John 1 is sustained by this,
"I , even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."

We already went down that road, recall

Neh 9: 27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

The Word that was WITH God was ALSO God there.
Which one was made flesh? I say the Word, (who became the man Jesus)
Who dwelled in Jesus (who was made Lord) but God His Father (the LORD)
The Most High (who put all things under Christ).

God the Father adressed the Son as God in the psalm, its not a question of that
God (His Father) is now our Father and God (His God) is now our God (as Jesus told us)

The Father sent the Son, the doctrine of Christ is not even his own but the LORD's

John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way
John 8:28 ... as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Same here,

Psalm 23:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

The LORD who also speaks of his shepherd here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Showing us Jesus is that very shepherd

Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

I like to see the Father and the Son, I am always looking for them, "The LORD and His anointed" or "the LORD said unto MY Lord" sit thou at my right hand etc.

 

[quietthinker]

Your just jealous that its quicker and more believable than you QT.

ahhhhh, the language is revealing.....even if and when it's in jest!

 

[ProverbsInPink]

We already went down that road, recall

Neh 9: 27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

The Word that was WITH God was ALSO God there.
Which one was made flesh? I say the Word, (who became the man Jesus)
Who dwelled in Jesus (who was made Lord) but God His Father (the LORD)
The Most High (who put all things under Christ).

God the Father adressed the Son as God in the psalm, its not a question of that
God (His Father) is now our Father and God (His God) is now our God (as Jesus told us)

The Father sent the Son, the doctrine of Christ is not even his own but the LORD's

John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way
John 8:28 ... as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Same here,

Psalm 23:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

The LORD who also speaks of his shepherd here

Zech 3:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Showing us Jesus is that very shepherd

Mark 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

I like to see the Father and the Son, I am always looking for them, "The LORD and His anointed" or "the LORD said unto MY Lord" sit thou at my right hand etc.

OK. See it as you wish.
I prefer what God tells me.Jesus and God are one and the same.

 

[Muna]

OK. See it as you wish.
I prefer what God tells me.Jesus and God are one and the same.

I prefer what is written as well, I even provided the scriptures and have many more.
There is no argument concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ with me, and there is
a mystery of the fellowship between them, I don't think its easily seen but I am always
looking for them, so with me its what I love to do.

 

[Writer]

I think this verse will always overcome the triune argument.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

When John 1 gives us the answer to your Jesus begotten question.
The word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus was brought into existence, begotten, by God. Son of God. Born through Mary, son of man.

That scripture that you qoute is Jesus speaking. He is the Lord and Savior. God didn't die on the cross, nor did God get raised to Heaven to be "...glorified by the FATHER".

 

[ProverbsInPink]

That scripture that you qoute is Jesus speaking. He is the Lord and Savior. God didn't die on the cross, nor did God get raised to Heaven to be "...glorified by the FATHER".

That scripture that you qoute is Jesus speaking. He is the Lord and Savior. God didn't die on the cross, nor did God get raised to Heaven to be "...glorified by the FATHER".

John 1:1 In the beginning[a] was the Word, and the Word was with God,[b] and the Word was fully God.[c] 2 The Word[d] was with God in the beginning.
....14.Now[ah] the Word became flesh[ai] and took up residence[aj] among us. We[ak] saw his glory—the glory of the one and only,[al] full of grace and truth, who came from the Father.


Jesus was God made flesh. God,made manifest by God and was born to be called,as the angel instructed Mary, Immanuel. Meaning God with us.

 

[HealthyShape]

John 1:1 In the beginning[a] was the Word, and the Word was with God,[b] and the Word was fully God.[c] 2 The Word[d] was with God in the beginning.
....14.Now[ah] the Word became flesh[ai] and took up residence[aj] among us. We[ak] saw his glory—the glory of the one and only,[al] full of grace and truth, who came from the Father.


Jesus was God made flesh. God,made manifest by God and was born to be called,as the angel instructed Mary, Immanuel. Meaning God with us.

The Logos was both God and with God. Not just God, not just with God, but both.

 

[Grailhunter]

The word Trinity is not found in the bible, however, the bible speaks of a triune God and so does the Old Testament.

In Genesis 1 we read: "...and the spirit of God moved upon the waters of the deep". Not God move, but rather the "SPIRIT" of God moved. That is, the "HOLY" Spirit. In the Gospel of John we read: "In the begining was the word, and the word was 'with' God, and the word 'was' God". Although when we read Genesis, it makes no mention of Gods word, but John received revelation from the Holy Spirit that when God spoke, God was giving a command..."Let there be light..." and His word went forth to create it. "and God 'SAW' (past tense) that it was good. God was not calling Light to come forth, God was giving His word the command to create it. Again, John says in His written inspiration as documented in John3, the word of the Holy Spirit, " 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. The Holy Spirit raises Gods word as the creator. Again in the 14th verse "...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld Him..."

So indeed we see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. On the seventh day God rested, or stoped, because at that time, there was nothing left to create. In the second chapter of Genesis, we don't see God as the sole individual speaking anymore, but rather now for the first time we see the title "LORD" God and continues throughout. God rested on His word on the seventh day, and the Word after completeing the creation, became the Lord God of His creation, becoming one with God and being 'with' God.

The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters of the deep because before God could do anything with a formless and void world with darkness upon it (death buried the land which held the nutrients of life) so the Holy Spirit sanctified the land deep below the surface of the waters and sanctified it, or set it apart, and then God was able to separate the waters from the waters, raise up the land from the deep and create "NEW" life. That is what the Holy Spirit does.

We are a NEW creation born from above, raised up by the sactification, or baptism of the Holy Spirit. No longer considered unworthy of being one with God. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...".

So many errors.
There are over a hundred scriptures that prove the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity wrong.
And it was the spirit of God above the waters....
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:2

 

[David in NJ]

I think this verse will always overcome the triune argument.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

When John 1 gives us the answer to your Jesus begotten question.
The word was God. The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus was brought into existence, begotten, by God. Son of God. Born through Mary, son of man.

the Trinity is the Foundation of TRUTH taht was Laid down for us in Genesis and Exodus , OT prophets and the Revealing in the GOSPEL

Geneiss chapter 1 begins with Elohim being THREE and then gives us a Picture Perfect of exactly who the THREE are.

Elohim/God created a Picture of who They are for all to see = but the natural man cannot SEE/understand what God has Spoken
FATHER of Nations
Only begotten SON of the FATHER - the Promised SEED
the HOLY SPIRIT

Revealed in the Gospel = the 3 He's of Genesis 1:26-27

When He had been baptized, Jesus/Son came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying,
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” = FATHER

 

[David in NJ]

So many errors.
There are over a hundred scriptures that prove the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity wrong.
And it was the spirit of God above the waters....
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:2

post 38 = Picture Perfect of 3 Who are Echad

 

[ProverbsInPink]

The Logos was both God and with God. Not just God, not just with God, but both.

Jesus was begotten of God. So, of course He was with God in the beginning. Because He is of and from God.

Besides God there is no Savior.