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Thetruth101

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I was, I am and I am forevermore!

That was quoted from the Bible in the revelations. Why is it that not many apostles even Jesus christ talks of how Heaven is like?

Personally, I think Jesus belongs in the Godhead metaphorically but he was just a Son. It clearly states in many scriptures that Jesus is Son of Man. Not the Alpha, the creator.

Also, I know Heavens is eternity, like you can tavel back and forth in time and see how Jesus really looked, or how God made Moses split the water, or the washing of the disciples feet first hand

It makes sense in a way that before the material, like chair we're sitting on is made with invisible energy that creates the metrial. And with the physical, like us christians belive that the body perishes after death, there is nothing left but the soul(energy). And with the infinite energy, time is irrelevant.Scienece is getting in the doorsteps with MC[2] blah. What is time? time is just a mere form of man keeping us plugged and structured. So after pershiing of the body. It's kinda like a dream, when we have a nightmare it feels real, but we "wake up" and tap back into reality, however when our body perishes we can't wake up. I think that this life here with a body on earth isj ust test like God said "test the spirits". Like we're guinea pigs in a box. When we die, i think eternity is the real beggining.

Also, I think God is both Good and Evil. I think in respects to OT, all apostles preach to fear god.
WIth this perspective, I think the number 666 is really talking about God in his evil days, revelations, hence torture and suffering for mankind.

FIrst 6 is understood by me to be the number for the atheits (anti-christ) who does not keep the Sabbath day as listed in the 10 commanment. God made the earth in 7 days.

I think the second 6 is in representation of the years of tribulation for the athiest. And I think the third 6 is in representation of God in his unholy ways, thus he did create the earth in 6 days, not seven. Which concludes to that all atheists will work and suffer and be made sinners for all eternity, wheras the religious people will be marked 7 for perfection because they also kept the day holy and abided by Gods rules from beggining of time.

To fo further, if you look at the revelations, all is scripted as to being 7 bowls of wrath, 7 Angels, 7 Trumpets and etc.

To prove my point that God is both good and evil, the Cross is pointed in 4 directions (N,S,W,E)meaning all directions and everywhere and it's in relations with the 4 horsemen that brings all destruction to earth.

Also, to go further, The Lamb (Christ) and the Goat (Satan) come from the same family tree. That it's infact the same kind.

to conclude, The the Son of Man will come as lightning flashes from East to West in revelations.
If you think of a lighting, it's an electric shock. You can die from it (evil) but also find life from it (good) like doctors do with patients who have heartattacks. The only form of bring one back when flatlined.

What is time? time is just a mere form of man keeping us plugged and structured. So after pershiing of the body. It's kinda like a dream, when we have a nightmare it feels real, but we "wake up" and tap back into reality, however when our body perishes we can't wake up. So i think dreams are kind of like a pre statement that there is an eternity after death of earthly life. As Jon 1:1 says In the beggining was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God and in 3:16 The Word became flesh and he dwelled with us. And in accordance with Jesus original teaching of the trinity (One body, One Soul, one Spirit). That we come and live out our lives in 1 Body, and our 1 individual Soul gets judged by 1 Spirit (God), So this makes sense in relations to whatever God decides and speaks of eternity it will become in flesh, including raw material(sorrounding) because everything starts with energy to begin with.


So for the unblievers they will prabably live in never ending what we call "nightmares" eternally. What each individual fear the most will prabably what will become of a reality hell to them. And I personally think every person will have their own hell, like each person has different views of what scares and tortures them. Like the title of the movie "Alone in the dark" or being put "in the hole" in prison terms. And I think Heavens is the same, What one apparicites and feel joy for, another might not. So I think heavens is an eternal world of what an individual loves or enjoyed the most as they lived their lives here on earth. It can be feeling good as to feeling buzzed off a wine or simply just having a pickup game and wanting the arithmatics of how kobe shoots the ball, I think thats what Heavens & Hell will be like. But until then I think all saints or all atheits (anti christs) until the return of Christ, will be put in one spiritual world or "box" like christ have said there will only be Paradise and Hades where all are placed on a prelimary basis.
 

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The truth, what a pack of lies. Good is not good and eveil if it where so, thane we may as well worship belzeebub. God is, stan was created. God is pervect satan is not. God is love, satan is all that oposses love. How di you get such a distorted perspective ob God, probably religio,

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I think it's really like this. Satan is referred to as "the morning star. Jesus is referred to as the "star of David" again, both are stars. Like Lamb (Jesus) and Goat "(Satan). Both come from the same family.

Another in reference is, Jesus calls Satan(evil)"Father of lies" and God (good) Father of Truth. He calls both "Father".

One more refernce to why i think God is both is look at Rev. 13:18 it says

Wisdom is needed here. If anyone has understanding let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is Man's number. His number is 666.

Who is Man as we know? It's Alpha, God. Hence the aka Son of MAN, Jesus Christ son of God.

Third reference is, and many of pondered about this and no one has answers. Demons are spirits just like the Angels right?
Now, demons are looked upon as evil being that went down to hell. Jesus clearly said once you enter hell you can't come back up. It's shut for all eternity. So how do you define that?

If you start thinking in broader terms as in God CAN be both good and evil, then you can clearly understand that Satan is really God in his evil ways.

Many refer to God creating Satan and he was an Angel and blah blah...

Where in the Bible says that?? Everyone just started thinking that way by heresay. Thr truth of it is, good and evil existed from beggining of time, as in referenced to Tree of Good vs. Evil in Garden of Eden when Adam ate the forbidden fruit, within the Bible in Genesis 3:22 God says " The man has become like one of us, since he knows good and evil." If you know and realize good AND evil, then wouldn't ones state of mind be abled to it?

Also,Lucifer was never mentioned as Satan in the Bible, where do you get that idea Satan is Lucifer and he rebelled and fell down to earth???? Where is Lucifer mentioned in the Bible at all??

I'm sure many of you would think it's Satan when a Spirit which whom no one can hear or see tells you to go kill your child like Abraham. Although God didn't allow him to actually follow through, at the moment of which he heard the command I'm sure it he thought it surely wasn't a good spirit.

I still think God is both Good and evil. Kind of like Yin and Yang.To the weak, he is God Yaweh and to the wicked he is Satan. Yaweh and Satan are just vocabs and names for good and evil, and hence, good cannot exist without evil and vice versa.

One more clue as to why God is both good and evil is because clearly Jesus Christ said he holds the keys of death and hades and as i understand, death is satan (evil)

No one prabably wants to accept the fact that God is both good and evil because of one simple thing, they don't want to lose hope. Well, if hope is lost, well you get depressed. Who wants to live like that.

I'm just nearly saying God is only Satan to the Wicked. Not the weak and the faithful ones. That's all.

Also, as I have mentioned above, in Genesis which Moses wrote, God says "he has become like one of us in verse 3:22."

Now, this might sound alittle iffy, but I think there were other planets before earth was created. And I think there were Messiahs back then as well. As we all know, astrology is the oldest system of spiritual beliefs and how many zodiacs are there? 12.
How many disciples did Christ have? 12. I think it was all in rememberance of the 12 Messiahs or 12 Planets there were before we were who also became one with God. What can you say? he's a gracious God as well. If you read the parables in Gnostic gospel which consists of 135 Parables it might make sense in the beggining. Just Google it.

Many ministers just overlook some of the difficult passages and dont think outside the box. If you look at it from this perspective, many contradictions that Bible hold can infact be solved.

Also to prove my point with the heavens and that we can travel back in time, it's evident to me that im correct according to

"Peter writes, "But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day".

Mystery solved.
 

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2Pet 1:19 (NIV) And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.​

Rev 2:28 (NIV) I will also give him the morning star.

Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Since it is clear that Jesus is the "Bright Morning Star" (even said so Himself) then how should we understand Isaiah 14:12?
Isa 14:12-15 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.
This should be understood as a sardonic title for the "anti-christ" or beast. He claims to be "christ", right? He claims to be Messiah, and has his moment under the sun, but comes to be brought low ultimately. Contrast the real Bright Morning Star: He lives humbly, does not boast, is not arrogant, is submissive to the Father... even unto death. Then the Father raises Him to the highest place; in the morning so to speak.
Mat 23:12 "For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."
Jesus lives out the gospel: death first, resurrection second. Satan wants it all now, and will go down ultimately. Satan looks good at night, but goes down in flames in the morning. Jesus is in the tomb, but arises in the morning. Do you see the pattern? Who is your life most like? What are we encouraging in others, to follow Christ in the gospel, or to grab all you can now? The difference is as wide as Jesus and Satan.

In any case, "Lucifer" means "morning star", so it should not be used to describe Satan. Jesus is The Morning Star. Satan tries to look like Jesus and supplant Him sometime in the future, perhaps very near future, even claming to be Him. But let us understand the deception and that the true "Morning Star" told us this in advance through His Apostles and Prophets; and told us to "watch out".
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Its like this, God created satan, ( please excuse the spelling the fingers get faster than the brain), Lucifer ( his other name) means keeper of the flame. apparently He was Gods top angel. Pried got a hold of Him, though He could replace God, got thrown out of heaven with a few hundred angels who thought he could too. There future is secure, they cannot be redeemed they left their first estate. You see God is light, satan is a complete lack of all that is good, Life, Light, Love, he is pure darkness. You see he cannot be God, for light and darkness cannot fill the same space at the same time. You really should stop listening to him, he has you in a spin. God is God, satan is satan.

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Thetruth101, you seem to be blending New Age ideas with Christianity. They don't mix.

2.3.4. What does New Age say about..2.3.4.1. ...the human person?

New Age involves a fundamental belief in the perfectibility of the human person by means of a wide variety of techniques and therapies (as opposed to the Christian view of co-operation with divine grace). There is a general accord with Nietzsche's idea that Christianity has prevented the full manifestation of genuine humanity. Perfection, in this context, means achieving self-fulfilment, according to an order of values which we ourselves create and which we achieve by our own strength: hence one can speak of a self- creating self. On this view, there is more difference between humans as they now are and as they will be when they have fully realised their potential, than there is between humans and anthropoids.​


2.3.4.2. ...God?
New Age has a marked preference for Eastern or pre-Christian religions, which are reckoned to be uncontaminated by Judaeo-Christian distorsions. Hence great respect is given to ancient agricultural rites and to fertility cults. “Gaia”, Mother Earth, is offered as an alternative to God the Father, whose image is seen to be linked to a patriarchal conception of male domination of women. There is talk of God, but it is not a personal God; the God of which New Age speaks is neither personal nor transcendent. Nor is it the Creator and sustainer of the universe, but an “impersonal energy” immanent in the world, with which it forms a “cosmic unity”: “All is one”. This unity is monistic, pantheistic or, more precisely, panentheistic. God is the “life-principle”, the “spirit or soul of the world”, the sum total of consciousness existing in the world. In a sense, everything is God. God's presence is clearest in the spiritual aspects of reality, so every mind/spirit is, in some sense, God.​
When it is consciously received by men and women, “divine energy” is often described as “Christic energy”. There is also talk of Christ, but this does not mean Jesus of Nazareth. “Christ” is a title applied to someone who has arrived at a state of consciousness where he or she perceives him- or herself to be divine and can thus claim to be a “universal Master”. Jesus of Nazareth was not the Christ, but simply one among many historical figures in whom this “Christic” nature is revealed, as is the case with Buddha and others. Every historical realisation of the Christ shows clearly that all human beings are heavenly and divine, and leads them towards this realisation.​

Jesus Christ, Bearer of the Water of Life- A Christian Reflection on the New Age