THE TWELVE RELINQUISHED THEIR COMMISSION

[Doug]

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

[Mark 16:15 KJV] "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Some say that Peter and the apostles did go to the nations and into all the world.........[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."..........Even if that is the case, if they went to the nations they weren't teaching the Gentiles in the nation, only the circumcision (the Jews). They also weren't preaching the gospel (which was only the gospel of the kingdom) to every creature as commanded by Jesus, but were only preaching to Jews.

 

[talons]

Even if that is the case, if they went to the nations they weren't teaching the Gentiles in the nation, only the circumcision (the Jews). They also weren't preaching the gospel (which was only the gospel of the kingdom) to every creature as commanded by Jesus, but were only preaching to Jews.

Why do you attack the apostles ! They did do as commanded by Jesus and here is what Jesus commanded them to do .

Matthew 18
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark16
14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Peter preaches the gospel .

Acts 2:17 Context​

14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

 

[Doug]

Why do you attack the apostles ! They did do as commanded by Jesus and here is what Jesus commanded them to do .

Only citing what they decided and that was to not preach the gospel to every creature but only the Jews

 

[talons]

Only citing what they decided and that was to not preach the gospel to every creature but only the Jews

Have you decided everything the apostles did is contained in the Bible , that would be a bad decision .
We do not even know all that Jesus did while on this earth !

 

[talons]

Some say that Peter and the apostles did go to the nations and into all the world

No kidding , they sure did .

The 12 Disciples of Jesus: Their Names and Facts

Who were the 12 disciples and what do we know about the life and death? Let's take a look at the apostles of Jesus and what we know about them.

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[Doug]

Have you decided everything the apostles did is contained in the Bible , that would be a bad decision .
We do not even know all that Jesus did while on this earth !

What would we rely on in regard to the apostles outside of the Bible?

We can go by what the scriptures say as far as the apostles not going to every creature It says they would only go to Jews

 

[talons]

They also weren't preaching the gospel (which was only the gospel of the kingdom) to every creature as commanded by Jesus, but were only preaching to Jews.

Tell me are you finding fault with what the apostles did in Gal2:9 ? Think it through before you answer . Don't make Jesus do a face palm .

Galatians 2:9 Context​

6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. 11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

 

[Doug]

Tell me are you finding fault with what the apostles did in Gal2:9 ? Think it through before you answer . Don't make Jesus do a face palm .

Galatians 2:9 Context​

6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. 11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

I am not finding fault with them they were given authority to determine to only go to the jews...........[Matthew 16:19 KJV] "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
There are those that say the twelve did go to the nations but even if they did they werent preaching to Gentile nations just Jews

 

[talons]

There are those that say the twelve did go to the nations but even if they did they werent preaching to Gentile nations just Jews

Do you have eyewitness reports to offer of who they preached to ? My brother , you will need a time machine to go back and see who the apostles were preaching to in the nations . You can offer no proof of who was in the audiences they preached to .

 

[Doug]

Do you have eyewitness reports to offer of who they preached to ? My brother , you will need a time machine to go back and see who the apostles were preaching to in the nations . You can offer no proof of who was in the audiences they preached to .

The time machine was my favorite movie as a kid

We dont have to know historically where they did or didnt know the verse in Galatians 2:9 says they restricted their ministry to the Jews

 

[talons]

The time machine was my favorite movie as a kid

Yes , a good movie .

We dont have to know historically where they did or didnt know the verse in Galatians 2:9 says they restricted their ministry to the Jews

You know and I know they would have very little control over who was in their audiences as they spoke outside a temple for instance ,Jew or Gentile could be there .

I see the ministry was divided as need be but I do not see the word RESTRICTED at all , do you ?

Galatians 2:9 Context​

6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. 11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

 

[Doug]

I see the ministry was divided as need be but I do not see the word RESTRICTED at all , do you ?

It is restricted to who they would go to to preach who all might be in the audience is not pertinent

 

[talons]

It is restricted to who they would go to to preach who all might be in the audience is not pertinent

There is no restriction placed , it said " we should go " it did not say only go to the heathen or only go to the circumcision , that would be a restriction but as we see there is no restriction given , what is given is an audience that they should seek out and make it their main mission as the Holy Spirit directed them .

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

[Mark 16:15 KJV] "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Some say that Peter and the apostles did go to the nations and into all the world.........[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."..........Even if that is the case, if they went to the nations they weren't teaching the Gentiles in the nation, only the circumcision (the Jews). They also weren't preaching the gospel (which was only the gospel of the kingdom) to every creature as commanded by Jesus, but were only preaching to Jews.

Lies Doug, Jesus sent them to all nations to preach all he did and all he said, I showed you the proof, why do you deny this? to denigrate the 12?

 

[Doug]

Lies Doug, Jesus sent them to all nations to preach all he did and all he said, I showed you the proof, why do you deny this? to denigrate the 12?

[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
This verse says the twelve would go to the Jews only. It's not what I am saying.
If they werent going to the Gentiles how could they teach all the nations or preach the gospel to them?

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
This verse says the twelve would go to the Jews only. It's not what I am saying.
If they werent going to the Gentiles how could they teach all the nations or preach the gospel to them?

no Doug paul says he went to the gentiles ALSO not only, you forget many things;

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

end of story and your lies! i call them lies because I have already told you this MANY times before yet ,you persist and are being deceitful.

 

[Doug]

no Doug paul says he went to the gentiles ALSO not only, you forget many things;

?????? did you mean Peter?

Gentiles were saved in Acts 10, Peter forfeited going to the Gentiles in Acts 15. The Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved before Peter, John and James determined not to go to the Gentiles

 

[LoveYeshua]

?????? did you mean Peter?

Gentiles were saved in Acts 10, Peter forfeited going to the Gentiles in Acts 15. The Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved before Peter, John and James determined not to go to the Gentiles

I now cut you off, you do not want to listen. Just do everything Jesus asked you and follow no one else.

John 10:3–5 (ASV)
“The sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.”

A little later He says again:

John 10:27 (ASV)
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

 

[Doug]

I now cut you off, you do not want to listen. Just do everything Jesus asked you and follow no one else.

John 10:3–5 (ASV)
“The sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.”

A little later He says again:

John 10:27 (ASV)
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

Very well but Gal 2:9 clearly says they were no longer going to the Gentiles and therefore couldnt go to the nations or every creature. This is what the verse says not me

You didnt answer as to how you observe the sabbath so I will tell you that I think you said you take the day to devote to reflecting on God. Here is what God says the sabbath is, what you say isnt found..........
[Exodus 20:8 KJV] "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
[Exodus 20:9 KJV] "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:"
[Exodus 20:10 KJV] "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:"...............Outside of emergencies do you do no labor whatsoever? Outside of emergencies do you rely on someone laboring to meet your needs? You do realize v10 says you dont make servants work either. I guess you can claim to keep the ten commandments if you revise them so you can declare you do. You can claim to do all Jesus commands if you say not all of these are for us Gentiles to obey and those commands were for the past or just Israel.

 

[Doug]

I now cut you off, you do not want to listen. Just do everything Jesus asked you and follow no one else.

John 10:3–5 (ASV)
“The sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.”

A little later He says again:

John 10:27 (ASV)
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

I know you cut me off but I will say just one more thing.
You said Jesus commanding selling all they had was for that time. I say all Jesus taught and commanded was for Israel alone and was only for that time. Jews today are to follow Paul and so are you. We can find things applicable for us like "love one another" but you cant follow all Jesus commanded