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There is flood coming

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by guysmith, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. guysmith

    guysmith New Member

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    Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


    Revelation 13: 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


    There is a flood (not of water) coming people.
     
  2. biggandyy

    biggandyy I am here to help...

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    One flood was water, the other isn't.
     
  3. Foreigner

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    Paraphrasing: "Won't be water, but fire next time...."
     
  4. guysmith

    guysmith New Member

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    This flood (unlike Noah's) is not against unbelievers. This flood is from Satan and is directed at believers.
     
  5. Retrobyter

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    Shalom, BiggAnddy and Foreigner.

    Globally, you both are correct; however, LOCALLY, there can still be floods of water. Remember: God gave His promise, but His promise was in a global sense:

    Genesis 9:8-17
    8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
    9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
    10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.
    11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
    12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
    13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
    14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
    15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
    16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
    17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
    KJV


    According to Arabic traditions, Adam was the first prophet and he prophesied that there would come two destructions of the earth, one a deluge of water and the other a deluge of fire. And, Kefa (Peter) was the one who gave us his prophecy:

    2 Peter 3:1-13
    3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
    2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
    3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
    4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
    5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished
    :
    7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
    KJV


    However, it is quite obvious that local flooding can and does occur, and the flood of water mentioned in Revelation will be just that - a local flood of water. The global Deluge of Fire doesn't occur until the END of the Day of God. That is, not until the 1000-year Day is done.

    Revelation 20:7-9
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    KJV


    This will be done AFTER the flooding which is mentioned in Revelation 12:

    Revelation 12:13-17
    13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
    14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
    15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
    17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    KJV
     
  6. tgwprophet

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    Guess I should start building a local ark? And I don't even know what a local ark is... lol
     
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    According to Eze 14:14 and repeated 3 more times in verses 16, 18, and 20, Noah, along with Daniel and Job are to reappear during the final Tribulation. If you are interested in how that is supposed to work, I covered it in my post "Simple Chart of End Time Events".
     
  8. Retrobyter

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    Shalom, terry.

    Only if you live in Isra'el, my friend (or Gaza or Lebanon or Egypt...). And, the word "ark" and the word from which it comes, the Hebrew word "teevaah," both mean "BOX."

    I think the comments in Luke 21:25 about a flood and in Revelation 12 may be related to the ocean impact of the "mountain-shaped" meteorite of Revelation 8:8-9 associated with the second air-raid siren. I believe this meteorite will have an impact in the Mediterranean Sea and that the tidal wave associated with its impact will drive the sea inland, flooding Isra'el up to the mountain tops, including Yerushalayim (Jerusalem).
     
  9. guysmith

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    Shalom Retrobyter,

    I believe that there is another layer of interpretation concerning this burnt Mountian described in Revelation 8

    Revelation 8:8

    And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

    Jeremiah describes Babylon as a burning mountain which is going to be cast into a body of water.

    Jeremiah 51:
    24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all
    their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the Lord.
    25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord,
    which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon
    thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt
    mountain.
    60 So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
    61 And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
    62 Then shalt thou say, O Lord,
    thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall
    remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for
    ever.
    63 And
    it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou
    shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates:
    64 And
    thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the
    evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far are
    the words of Jeremiah.

    Guy
     
  10. Dan57

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    I think the end-day flood is misinformation. The flood is symbolic for the deception coming out of the serpents mouth, and not a literal flood of water. JMO
     
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    biggandyy I am here to help...

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    Dan wins the "It's Obvious Award" for correctly reading scripture plainly and correctly. As for the "other" interpretations... I think some folk just can't wait to read what they type next ;)
     
  12. Retrobyter

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    Shalom, BiggAndyy.

    Well, if the "flooding" mentioned in Luke 21 is just some symbolic words, then maybe the darkening of the sun, moon, and stars is also just symbolic? I don't think either is true.
     
  13. biggandyy

    biggandyy I am here to help...

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    I don't think Dan referenced Luke's account but the Revelation use of the word.
     
  14. Brothertom

    Brothertom All for Jesus no matter the cost.

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    There are several references to A FLOOD, as Judgment upon the peoples of the Earth, withouit meaning a flood of Water....but an overwhelming Tsunami of God's wrath, manifested by encompassing armies, plagues or Melting fire, as in Sodom's case....a flood of fire & brimstone, of WRATH.

    "And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good."...says the Lord....
    " And the Lord God of hosts is he that toucheth the land, AND IT SHALL MELT, and all that dwell therein shall mourn: and it shall rise up wholly LIKE A FLOOD; and shall be drowned, AS BY THE FLOOD of Egypt.
    It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that:

    calleth for the WATERS OF THE SEAS, and POURS THEM OUT upon the face of the earth: The Lord is his name."

    This is the idea of a Flood Coming....The Great Tribulation....& God's wrath upon the wicked.....he's right...there is a flood coming. Let us fear God & repent.
     
  15. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, Brothertom.
    Yeah, I don't have a problem seeing a reference to "LIKE a flood" or "AS a flood" being symbolic. However, when it says it "WAS" a flood, then I have to pay attention to the likely possibility that it would be a literal flood.



    Shalom, BiggAndyy.
    I did a little quick research, and they are NOT the same Greek word used in Luke and Revelation. Yeshua`s word in translation was the Greek word "kataklusmos" (NT:2627) in Matthew 24:38 and 39. This was the Flood of "Noe" (Greek: Nooe pronounced "NO-eh"). But, Yochanan's (John's) word in Revelation 12:15-16 was "potamos" (NT:4215, from which we get our word "hippopotamus" or "river-horse"). It means "a current" of water, a "river," a "stream," a "brook," or a "freshet."

    I think the key is in the placement of the words in Revelation 12:15-16:

    Apokalupsis 12:15-16
    15 Kai ebalen ho ofis ek tou stomatos autou opisoo tees gunaikos hudoor hoos potamon hina auteen potamoforeeton poieesee.
    16 Kai eboeetheesen hee gee tee gunaiki kai eenoixen hee gee to stoma autees kai katepien ton potamon hon ebalen ho drakoon ek tou stamatos autou.

    Greek New Testament

    15 Kai = 15 And
    ebalen = spewed
    ho = the
    ofis = serpent/snake
    ek = out-from
    tou = the
    stomatos = mouth
    autou = of-it
    opisoo = after/behind-the-back
    tees = the
    gunaikos = woman
    hudoor = water
    hoos = like/as
    potamon = a-river
    hina = so-that
    auteen = her
    potamoforeeton = river-borne
    poieesee. = he-might-make.
    16 Kai = 16 And
    eboeetheesen = helped
    hee = the
    gee = ground/earth
    tee = the
    gunaiki = woman
    kai = and
    eenoixen = opened
    hee = the
    gee = ground/earth
    to = the
    stoma = mouth
    autees = of-it
    kai = and
    katepien = gulped-down
    ton = the
    potamon = river
    hon = which
    ebalen = spewed
    ho = the
    drakoon = lizard/dragon/reptile
    ek = out-from
    tou = the
    stamatos = mouth
    autou. = of-it.

    15 And spewed the serpent/snake out-from the mouth of-it after/behind-the-back the woman water like/as a-river so-that her river-borne he-might-make.
    16 And helped the ground/earth the woman and opened the ground/earth the mouth of-it and gulped-down the river which spewed the lizard/dragon/reptile out-from the mouth of-it.

    15 And the snake spewed water out of its mouth behind the woman's back like a river so that he might make her river-borne.
    16 And the ground helped the woman and the ground opened its mouth and gulped down the river which the reptile spewed out of its mouth.

    The point of this is that the word "hoos," meaning "like" or "as," is comparing the "river" to the "water" coming out of the snake's mouth, not "whatever" comes out of the snake's mouth to a "river of water."

    Could it still be figurative? Of course! However, the wording forces me to look at the possibility of a literal interpretation first. The beauty of the normal historical/grammatical/cultural interpretation of the Bible is that the understanding of this passage is two-fold: First, what did John IN HIS VISION literally see? Then, second, BECAUSE IT WAS A VISION, what did what-He-saw mean? THIS is the way that Revelation must be understood. One should not just categorically state "the whole thing is figurative" - end of story. One must ask, "Of what Yochanan literally saw in his vision, how much was what would actually take place and what part was some figurative interpretation of what will literally take place?" However, one will seldom arrive at the correct answers if he/she just writes it all off as "figurative" (which may NEVER be understood until it actually happens).

    Fooey. I forgot to include what was recorded in LUKE that Yeshua` said: He said the phrase...

    eechous thalassees kai salou

    eechous = roaring
    thalassees = a-sea
    kai = and
    salou = waves/billows/vibrations

    "a sea and (its) waves roaring."

    This phrase is then part of all the calamities which Yeshua` was predicting:

    Luke 21:24-28
    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
    KJV
     
  16. veteran

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    See Isaiah 28; Jeremiah 46:7; and Revelation 12:5. It's used as a metaphor of surprise and destruction by a false one coming upon God's people. Revelation is not the first usage of the idea.
     
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    Veteran, i had not seen a post from you for a while and was concerned... Are you ok?
     
  18. veteran

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    Just takin a break friend. Everything's hunky-dorey. Good to see you're still here.
     
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