These warnings are to the 7 churches to be an Overcomer if you plan to see heaven to rule and reign

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I think that we should EXAMINE the Word of God to see what The Almighty is saying to those of the Church, because there are seducing spirits that are believing that all souls no matter of their spiritual growth are going to be ready to rule and reign with Christ just because they believe that Jesus is the Son of God.... so does the demons and Satan know this so we must rightly divide the Word and understand that one who says they believe are walking in what they believe Do you believe that Jesus heals? Then why are you bringing back up such as pharmakea in the mixture with your faith? Why do you need something to SEE before you can believe? This is only ONE of the lacks of faith I see in the churches who say they love Jesus. If you loved the Word as you say you do and have Faith in God...Alone, there should be no need for you to bring a back up for your healing and your health should be getting better and better as you day by day are no longer walking in a sinful life for the Word has set you free from the way's of sin and you have OVERCOME.

Notice how many times Jesus warns and mentions Overcoming in the letters to the churches. You should get a good dose of medicine just reading these letters for your own good for they are written out of God's love to Warn us so that we can correct ourselves. No more sweet and sticky things to eat let us feed on the Unleaved Bread of LIFE.

If you love truth, then you should WILL be able to accept what the Word is saying below for Jesus says MY sheep HEAR my Voice, meaning they do not close their ears:

Rev 2-3
2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3
3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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afaithfulone4u said:
I think that we should EXAMINE the Word of God to see what The Almighty is saying to those of the Church, because there are seducing spirits that are believing that all souls no matter of their spiritual growth are going to be ready to rule and reign with Christ just because they believe that Jesus is the Son of God....
I can agree with your belief that there are different levels of dominion within the kingdom, but I wholly reject your teaching that all aren't resurrected at the same time on the grounds that there is no scriptural witness of that.

Another thing. Please quit spamming posts with volumes of scripture. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but I do mean it in a serious way. Nobody reads it and it only serves to clutter up threads and make them hard to navigate and respond to. Be selective, or just quote the verse numbers. Thanks.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I can agree with your belief that there are different levels of dominion within the kingdom, but I wholly reject your teaching that all aren't resurrected at the same time on the grounds that there is no scriptural witness of that.

Another thing. Please quit spamming posts with volumes of scripture. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but I do mean it in a serious way. Nobody reads it and it only serves to clutter up threads and make them hard to navigate and respond to. Be selective, or just quote the verse numbers. Thanks.

Have you not heard of the 2 different resurrections? The saints are resurrected first. Then the rest of the world are resurrected after the 1,000 years some to life and others to the lake of fire. (Matt 25)
 

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Episkopos said:
Have you not heard of the 2 different resurrections? The saints are resurrected first. Then the rest of the world are resurrected after the 1,000 years some to life and others to the lake of fire. (Matt 25)
Have you not read:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

I don't see any qualifications here besides being in Christ. Therefore, ALL the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the last trumpet, i.e., the first resurrection.

I believe the OP has a different understanding than this. I asked him if he believed Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were going to be in the 1st resurrection and he gave me some weird answer.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Have you not read:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

I don't see any qualifications here besides being in Christ. Therefore, ALL the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the last trumpet, i.e., the first resurrection.

I believe the OP has a different understanding than this. I asked him if he believed Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were going to be in the 1st resurrection and he gave me some weird answer.

While we do not have a list of names ...we do know that the first resurrection is for ALL the saints. This does not mean ALL believers in God or Jesus. Only those who are FIT to reign with Christ. So only ACTUAL saints...those living from a new life in Christ...will be resurrected with the saints. All others must wait for the judgment of the nations.

God does not prefer Jews over Gentiles but neither does HE prefer Gentiles over Jews.
 

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Episkopos said:
While we do not have a list of names ...we do know that the first resurrection is for ALL the saints. This does not mean ALL believers in God or Jesus. Only those who are FIT to reign with Christ. So only ACTUAL saints...those living from a new life in Christ...will be resurrected with the saints. All others must wait for the judgment of the nations.

God does not prefer Jews over Gentiles but neither does HE prefer Gentiles over Jews.
Not true. Not true at all. In fact, you contradict what Paul said. Paul said those in Christ would be resurrected at the last trumpet. To state that some in Christ won't be resurrected then because they weren't as holy as you is being a false witness of what he wrote.

There is no analog threshold that disqualifies people from the first resurrection. It is an all-or-nothing deal. You're either in Christ or you're not.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I can agree with your belief that there are different levels of dominion within the kingdom, but I wholly reject your teaching that all aren't resurrected at the same time on the grounds that there is no scriptural witness of that.

Another thing. Please quit spamming posts with volumes of scripture. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but I do mean it in a serious way. Nobody reads it and it only serves to clutter up threads and make them hard to navigate and respond to. Be selective, or just quote the verse numbers. Thanks.
My topic was regarding the Letters to the Churches and that is what I posted so that you don't need to look it up.
But you spoke the truth of your heart that nobody reads it and I am sorry that the Word OFFENDS you. Jesus said, blessed is he who is not offended in ME(The Word)

Ps, you don't have to agree with me, the Word says so and He is the measure!


Episkopos said:
Have you not heard of the 2 different resurrections? The saints are resurrected first. Then the rest of the world are resurrected after the 1,000 years some to life and others to the lake of fire. (Matt 25)
Correct! Thank you Episkopos,

Many see what the scriptures say.. but they just can't seem to Believe them as truth. They see what it says, then they walk right around them and come to argue with the one who showed them to them,........Unbelievable
 

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My topic was regarding the Letters to the Churches and that is what I posted so that you don't need to look it up.
But you spoke the truth of your heart that nobody reads it and I am sorry that the Word OFFENDS you. Jesus said, blessed is he who is not offended in ME(The Word)
It's not the words that offend. It's called proper forum etiquette.
 

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Not true. Not true at all. In fact, you contradict what Paul said. Paul said those in Christ would be resurrected at the last trumpet. To state that some in Christ won't be resurrected then because they weren't as holy as you is being a false witness of what he wrote.

There is no analog threshold that disqualifies people from the first resurrection. It is an all-or-nothing deal. You're either in Christ or you're not.

False! Forget the analog and digital thresholds and get with the word. Those IN Christ are being sanctified. Those that remain there are the saints. But not all who claim to be in Christ are IN Christ. Most walk according to their own strength and understanding. These are NOT included in the saints. There is no magic formula...confess and dunk... into sainthood scheme that meets the requirements of God.

There are believers and then there are disciples. A disciple is a believer but very few believers are disciples.


Many are called but few are chosen.


There is this thing called "the narrow Way" that few will find.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Have you not read:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

I don't see any qualifications here besides being in Christ. Therefore, ALL the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the last trumpet, i.e., the first resurrection.

I believe the OP has a different understanding than this. I asked him if he believed Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were going to be in the 1st resurrection and he gave me some weird answer.
I gave you this answer from the mouth of God, why is it weird to you?:
1 Kings 19:18
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
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Rom 11:1-5
11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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I gave you this answer from the mouth of God, why is it weird to you?:
1 Kings 19:18
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
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Rom 11:1-5
11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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It's weird because Abraham wasn't alive during Elijah's day when there was a remnant of 7000. Nor was the remnant in Paul's day alive then.

The only conclusion I can draw from your comments is that you think only 7000 children of Israel will be resurrected at the first resurrection. That's pretty weird. Other than that it's just a damn lie.
 

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It's weird because Abraham wasn't alive during Elijah's day when there was a remnant of 7000. Nor was the remnant in Paul's day alive then.

The only conclusion I can draw from your comments is that you think only 7000 children of Israel will be resurrected at the first resurrection. That's pretty weird. Other than that it's just a damn lie.
What is a damned lie? Is that a lie that is damned? Are there lies that are not damned? Are you making a distinction here between lies?

Could you provide an example of a non-damned lie?
 

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Not true. Not true at all. In fact, you contradict what Paul said. Paul said those in Christ would be resurrected at the last trumpet. To state that some in Christ won't be resurrected then because they weren't as holy as you is being a false witness of what he wrote.

There is no analog threshold that disqualifies people from the first resurrection. It is an all-or-nothing deal. You're either in Christ or you're not.
Saved to live again is not the same as chosen to rule and reign with Christ for the 1,000 yrs. Not all men will be caught up only the Elect/Chosen will caught up.
Rapture:
Mark 13:26-27
26 And then shall they(elect only) see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

Second Advent:
Matt 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet(announcing his return), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV
Matt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Matt 25:11-13
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
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Luke 13:24-25
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
KJV
Gal 5:16-21
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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What is a damned lie? Is that a lie that is damned? Are there lies that are not damned? Are you making a distinction here between lies?
Could you provide an example of a non-damned lie?
So you think damn isn't an adjective?
 

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It's weird because Abraham wasn't alive during Elijah's day when there was a remnant of 7000. Nor was the remnant in Paul's day alive then.

The only conclusion I can draw from your comments is that you think only 7000 children of Israel will be resurrected at the first resurrection. That's pretty weird. Other than that it's just a damn lie.
Abraham would have came out of his grave at Jesus's resurrection for once the sin debt was paid, many came out of their graves. That was the WHOLE house of OT Israel read the two stories of how in an earthquake they would come out of their graves. All once Christ came must receive Christ but God has spared 7,000 OT saints by grace and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would most definitely be in that group wouldn't you think? I believe them to be alive to this day as the devout Jews in Jerusalem and there is going to be an earth quake in Jerusalem where they die to their bodies after the two witnesses go up and just before the true body of Christ is birthed full term and caught up in Rev 12:5
Rev 11:11-15
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV
Read the rest in Rev 12 as to the birth of the sons of God who come after for JEW First(7,000), then the son's of God and then the Door to womb of heaven is SHUT!
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
So you think damn isn't an adjective?

Not for a Christian.... expletives are for the unredeemed.

A Christian means what he says because he knows he will be judged for every idle word.
 

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False! Forget the analog and digital thresholds and get with the word. Those IN Christ are being sanctified. Those that remain there are the saints. But not all who claim to be in Christ are IN Christ. Most walk according to their own strength and understanding. These are NOT included in the saints. There is no magic formula...confess and dunk... into sainthood scheme that meets the requirements of God.
There are believers and then there are disciples. A disciple is a believer but very few believers are disciples.
Many are called but few are chosen.There is this thing called "the narrow Way" that few will find.
I agree with everything you said. You're the one who said people would be saved and then consigned to wandering in shame and darkness for eternity. The people who are consigned to that fate are unbelievers, even though they might think otherwise.


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Not for a Christian.... expletives are for the unredeemed.
A Christian means what he says because he knows he will be judged for every idle word.
Idle words are those that sound like truth, but really aren't. In other words, useless. There is no sharpness to the blade, the is no weight to the hammer. Good for nothing like salt that has lost its savor. Those words/works will burn up like wood, hay and stubble.