This is a valid observation

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[Riven]

I think the shooting was unjustified. That being said, bringing a firearm to a "protest" is a bad idea. Attempting to stop federal agents from doing their jobs is also ill advised.

 

[2bme]

I think the shooting was unjustified. That being said, bringing a firearm to a "protest" is a bad idea. Attempting to stop federal agents from doing their jobs is also ill advised.

Yeah. With I.C.E agent's stepping up in number and after what transpired with Renee Good, carrying a firearm (Even a legal firearm) was probably not the best decision at the time.

 

[SavedInHim]

I think the shooting was unjustified. That being said, bringing a firearm to a "protest" is a bad idea. Attempting to stop federal agents from doing their jobs is also ill advised.

No one was attempting to stop federal agents from doing their job, unless you consider pushing a defenseless woman three feet and to the ground part of their job. Pretti was within his rights to have a gun; whether it's "smart" is irrelevant.

What I find hilarious is all the so-called 2nd amendment supporters who are now saying Pretti shouldn't have had a gun. Seems to me, based on what happened to him, he was smart carrying it; unfortunately it didn't help him. Many of the J6 rioters were armed, let's talk about that.

 

[Riven]

No one was attempting to stop federal agents from doing their job, unless you consider pushing a defenseless woman three feet and to the ground part of their job.

They are obstructing federal law enforcement operations and have been doing so for weeks. They aren't just standing on the sidewalk with signs. They're getting physical with federal agents, blocking their vehicles, etc.

Pretti was within his rights to have a gun; whether it's "smart" is irrelevant.

I agree that he had a right to be armed. But it's also an incredibly stupid thing to do. Especially given how tense the situation has been for the past several weeks.

What I find hilarious is all the so-called 2nd amendment supporters who are now saying Pretti shouldn't have had a gun. Seems to me, based on what happened to him, he was smart carrying it; unfortunately it didn't help him. Many of the J6 rioters were armed, let's talk about that.

He wasn't smart carrying it, and neither was anyone involved in J6.

 

[Lambano]

That being said, bringing a firearm to a "protest" is a bad idea.

I don't know what the law is in Minnesota, but in my state, it is actually illegal to bring a firearm to a protest. That is one of the things we learned in the state-mandated training for obtaining a Concealed Carry Permit.

From what I've seen in the videos and the descriptions, Pretti had his cell phone in his hand, not his pistol. Somebody yelled "he has a gun", and the agent went into automatic mode.

One of the training simulations we did in the VR room at the range for a different class (yes, I take continuing firearms training.) You're a cop in a retail store. The sim gun in your holster is an electronic replica of a Glock 17. Three teenaged girls are browsing the merchandise with their backs turned. Suddenly, one of them turns quickly and she has something in her hand. 4 out of 5 runs, it's a cell phone. 1 out of 5 runs, it's a pistol and it's pointed at you. You have 2 seconds to make the shoot/don't-shoot decision. Guess wrong one way, you're dead. Guess wrong another way, you will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees and you may spend a decade or two in jail for second-degree murder. Choose wisely, my son.

 

[RepentingChristian]

I don't know what the law is in Minnesota, but in my state, it is actually illegal to bring a firearm to a protest.

That's unconstitutional, even if the courts say otherwise.

 

[Lambano]

That's unconstitutional, even if the courts say otherwise.

It's also illegal to bring a weapon into a government building, a school, or a hospital. The last time I took my friend to the hospital, I had to go back and secure my pepper spray and NRA-branded pocket knife in the car or have it confiscated. And please don't try to smuggle a Smith & Wesson Model 29 revolver through airport security. Those guys have no sense of humor.

 

[RepentingChristian]

It's also illegal to bring a weapon into a government building, a school, or a hospital. The last time I took my friend to the hospital, I had to go back and secure my pepper spray and NRA-branded pocket knife in the car or have it confiscated. And please don't try to smuggle a Smith & Wesson Model 29 revolver through airport security. Those guys have no sense of humor.

Places like courthouses and airport terminals have things that street protests lack. They screen EVERYBODY for weapons AND have armed law enforcement on the premises. The concept that a local government can deny a citizen the right to self-defense while providing NONE of those security measures is where it becomes problematic and unconstitutional to me.

 

[2bme]

Let me tell you people something that I've never had to worry about living in the land down under Australia. Guns. Even now after the Bondi shooting I still do not fear walking around outside or what other people might have concealed. Australian government didn't exclusively ban guns, they just took action when gun violence became a problem. It's still a problem to a very small degree here and hopefully this will be resolved soon.

 

[Riven]

Finally some integrity. In an era where liberals build statues to honor criminals and claim everyone is a victim, it's nice to see someone, even if it's just one person, telling the truth...