This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

[Trekson]

The duration of Christ's ministry is indeed given in Daniel 9:26-27, but you have failed to see it - and will continue to fail to see it because you continue to refuse to believe facts.

Daniel 9:26
"And AFTER [H0310 'achar] threescore and two weeks (which followed the first seven weeks) shall Messiah be cut off [karath H03772], but not for himself.

1. The Hebrew word 'achar ALWAYS means AFTER, for example:

Genesis 5:4:
And the days of Adam after ['achar H0310] he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.

There is NEVER any exception: AFTER means AFTER.

2. The Hebrew word [karath H03772] is used multiple times in scripture - often in reference to the cutting off of a person or a people, etc; and MANY times it's used in reference to the cutting of a covenant.

With reference to the cutting off of the Messiah (Daniel 9:26), it means both. So let's look at the word, and then look at some examples in scripture:

H03772 karath kaw-rath' a primitive root; to cut (off, down or asunder); by implication, to destroy or consume; specifically, to covenant (i.e. make an alliance or bargain, originally by cutting flesh and passing between the pieces):--be chewed, be con-(feder-)ate, covenant, cut (down, off), destroy, fail, feller, be freed, hew (down), make a league ((covenant)), X lose, perish, X utterly, X want.

Here are some examples:-

Genesis 9:11:
And I will establish my covenant [b'riyth H01285] with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off [karath H03772] any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 15:18:
In the same day the LORD cut [karath H03772] a covenant [b'riyth H01285] with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.

Genesis 21:27:
And Abraham took sheep and oxen, and gave them unto Abimelech; and both of them cut [karath H03772] a covenant [b'riyth H01285].

Genesis 17:14:
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off [karath - H03772] from his people; he hath broken my covenant [b'riyth H01285].

Genesis 41:36:
And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land not be cut off [karath - H03772] through the famine.

Exodus 12:15:
Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off [karath - H03772] from Israel.

Exodus 8:9:
And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: when shall I intreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to cut off [karath - H03772] the frogs from thee and thy houses, that they may remain in the river only?

Exodus 23:32:
Thou shalt cut [karath H03772] no covenant [b'riyth H01285] with them, nor with their gods.

THE CUTTING OFF OF THE MESSIAH CIRCA AD 30 WAS THE CUTTING OF THE NEW COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD:

We know that the Messiah was not cut off by God - He was cut off by the people (all those who wanted Him cut off from the people), who also killed Him, or supported the actions of those who killed Him.

Daniel 9:26-27

BECAUSE of the FACT that the prophecy stated that it would be AFTER the first 69 weeks that Messiah would be cut off, the only correct way to understand verses 26-27 is as follows:

Daniel 9:26-27 FIRST OF THE TWO TOPICS:

"And AFTER (seven) + threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off [karath H03772] but not for himself (God cutting the New Covenant in His blood); and he (Messiah) shall strengthen (strengthen and establish) the (new) covenant [H01285 b'riyth] with MANY for (the) one (remaining) week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

("For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for MANY for the remission of sins." - Matthew 26:28).

Daniel 9:26-27 SECOND OF THE TWO TOPICS:

And the people of the prince that SHALL come SHALL destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined - and on the wing/s of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, and that (which has been) determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

You're adding to scripture something it doesn't say. He arrives via prophecy and dies via prophecy for a period of two-three days, that's not an opinion, that is what Dan. 9:26-27 shows and the first topic is a completely false rendering of what it says and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you're going to make up or believe such false renderings of scripture, there is no further reason to speak to you on this topic.

 

[Trekson]

You're talking complete nonsense.
Stop avoiding, and provide just one name of a historical denier of a Messianic Daniel 9:24.
Just one name.

I don't listen to other peoples opinions on what I should think and believe, that is what the HS is for. It's the verse itself that tells you, if you don't understand what the OP plainly shows, I can't help you. But when it is actually fulfilled, Christ will do a much better job then you think He does. Nowhere in the passage is it implied that vs. 24 is something the Messiah will accomplish. Transgressions, sins and iniquities still exist, they haven't ended, most prophecies and visions haven't been sealed up, everlasting righteousness hasn't happened for Israel on a national level and Israel hasn't anointed Christ as King!!! Read this very slowly "are determined upon "thy people" and upon "thy holy city," to..." There nothing there that suggests Messiah will do it for them!

 

[Trekson]

So Jesus needs to be rubbed because His Father's anointing was insufficient.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Is that 10W-30 oil?

Laugh if you will, but it's never been talking about God's anointing. Get a dictionary and a Strong's and learn how to read before you start criticizing folks about words which you apparently don't understand.

 

[Trekson]

Here is a cut / paste from the chapter 9 narrative within the Daniel commentary.​

​

The Anointing of the Most Holy​

When Daniel speaks of the purpose “to anoint the Most Holy” (Daniel 9:24), the language naturally points to consecration—an appointment set apart by God for a specific and sacred purpose. The Hebrew root for “anoint” (māshach) is the same from which the title Messiah is derived, meaning “the Anointed One.” This directs our attention not to a place, but to a Person.

The moment this anointing becomes visible in Scripture is found at the baptism of Jesus. As He comes up from the waters of the Jordan, the heavens are opened, the Spirit of God descends upon Him, and the Father declares, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:16–17). This is not a symbolic gesture, but a divine affirmation and commissioning. Jesus is not anointed with oil, as in earlier times, but with the Holy Spirit Himself.

This understanding is confirmed by Jesus’ own words at the beginning of His ministry: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me” (Luke 4:18). Likewise, Peter later declares that “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power” (Acts 10:38). These passages point back to that moment at the Jordan as the beginning of His public mission.

In this light, the anointing spoken of in Daniel 9:24 finds its fulfillment in the baptism of Jesus, where the Messiah is revealed, empowered, and sent forth to accomplish the work set before Him. It marks the transition from promise to fulfillment—the moment when the One long foretold steps into His role as the Anointed of God.

Sorry, but that anointing is "not" the same as the anointing spoken of in vs. 24. Was Christ consecrated and one of the NT def. of the word "anointed" includes that? Yes, but vs. 24 is about being anointed as King like Saul, David and other kings were and this will be done at the beginning of the millennium. They are two different kinds of anointing and the only reason to deny that is to try and boost a false historic understanding of prophecy.

 

[covenantee]

I don't listen to other peoples opinions on what I should think and believe, that is what the HS is for.

Classic cultism.
Scripture enjoins us to test the spirits. 1 John 4:1
One such way is to compare our understanding with that of historical orthodoxy.
If there's significant difference, we need to explain why.
Your understanding of much Scripture does not exist in historical orthodoxy e.g. Daniel 9:24.
You need to explain why.

 

[covenantee]

Laugh if you will, but it's never been talking about God's anointing. Get a dictionary and a Strong's and learn how to read before you start criticizing folks about words which you apparently don't understand.

There is no anointing greater than God's anointing.
No amount of rubbing can exceed it.
Another example of your many departures from historical orthodoxy.

 

[Zao is life]

You're adding to scripture something it doesn't say. He arrives via prophecy and dies via prophecy for a period of two-three days, that's not an opinion, that is what Dan. 9:26-27 shows and the first topic is a completely false rendering of what it says and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you're going to make up or believe such false renderings of scripture, there is no further reason to speak to you on this topic.

If you talk about this topic or post about this topic then anyone can respond to your false claims about the topic - so even if you do not want to speak to me or don't speak to me I can still correct you and point out your erroneous conclusions.

What does "He arrives via prophecy" even mean?

Yes, Daniel 9:26-27 prophesied that the Messiah would come and, after the 69th week (during the 70th week) He would be cut off in the middle of the 70th week.

We know from history - which includes the fact that so many of us are now Christians - that what you say about the 70th week waiting for another 2,000 years to be fulfilled has no basis of truth in it, and you have conflated the covenant that Christ brought during the 70th week and in the midst of the 70th week with what - in your fallible human mind - you think is what an antichrist figure will do at the close of this age (which is what your own words betray as your fallible confidence in yourself that you have received your understanding from the Holy Spirit).

 

[Zao is life]

I asked God questions and the HS answered and I "listened"

No, as your arguments prove, you didn't listen. You still "figured it out" yourself.

If the Holy Spirit was able to get through to you regarding this, you would not be arguing against the understanding that the Holy Spirit has given to others who asked God for understanding and received their understanding from the Holy Spirit.

Your appeal to your own "I have the Holy Spirit" nonsense will never help - because your words are proof to all that the Holy Spirit's teaching is often blocked by human minds - the desire not to receive and answer they do not want to hear or believe, or in their fallible human minds believe cannot be true, and the preconceived ideas based on them.

and it aligns w/ the prophetic narrative.

It doesn't align with the prophetic narrative at all.

Your problem is as you describe below:

The problem most folks have, imo, as a result of their studies they come up w/ an understanding of prophecy and they will never be shaken from that position whether it is proved to be erroneous or not.

Though your position is already proved erroneous, you cannot be shaken from it, because as you say:

They will defend it to the death and that rigidity is the problem. They are no longer open to what the HS might want to share w/ them in that regard or anything new beyond what they already believe, especially if it's another person sharing,

All of the above is you talking about yourself instead of realizing you are not above the frailty and fallibility that all the sons of Adam have - including those who have salvation in Christ and have been saved by Christ.

Your words betray the fact that you think you are above all this - and therefore you are describing yourself very well.

yet in every other christian topic they are open to a wide variety of teachers and preachers regarding life and soul changing topics and some of them may conflict but in most cases, they don't respond to those differences w/ the same kind of unchristlike manner and attitudes. Some of the rudest people I have ever run across are on prophecy forums like this. I don't care if someone disagrees w/ me, folks can still be nice and polite about it.

If you were nice and polite you would not speak about how rude and impolite the people are who you have just falsely accused of all the things that according to you is wrong with their thinking, and insulted with regard to their ability to have the Holy Spirit giving them the understanding of the topic we have all been discussing.​

Besides the fact that everyone here receives and - for the sake of continuing to post - puts up with the same rudeness from others you are talking about - the moment what he says about a biblical subject disagrees with the thinking of others, your hypocrisy shows a lot.

Rather just stick to the debate about the correct interpretation of the prophecy and stop assuming that there is something wrong with the way the minds of the people who disagree with you work.

 

[Zao is life]

The apocalypse is real, it's the word "literature" that detracts if from being the authorized word of God. Yes, some symbolism is used and if one is a student of the bible, there not hard to figure out or the text explains them. But if one tries to symbolize let's say, the trumpet or vial judgements they are "taking away the words of the book of this prophecy" which doesn't bode well for those who do so.

Nonsense. There are no literal locusts that will be flying around stinging people.

What you don't realize - and seem too immature to realize - is that just because people disagree with the way you interpret something, does not mean

(a) there is something wrong with them wrt the way their minds work, but not with you; or
(b) they do not have the Holy Spirit regarding what they say because only you do.

Do you think you are the only one to whom the Holy Spirit gives some understanding of some things - without Him giving some understanding of some things to His other children also? (actually your words betray the fact that you think He has given you ALL understanding about this and other subjects).

One day when you're big you will realize that the understanding someone who disagreed with you had about this or that was correct, and he had received it from the Holy Spirit - and you were wrong.

Discuss the scriptures, stick to the topic, and don't decide (as though you are God so that you could even know such a thing) that there is something wrong - with regard to the way their minds work - with the person or people who are saying you are wrong in the way you interpret something (even if you believe the Holy Spirit gave you that understanding).

Those who do not agree with you on this subject do not believe the Holy Spirit gave you that understanding,

and the very things you say about what is "wrong" with their thinking "causing them not to see it the way you do" - is what those who disagree with you can say about you.

Your thinking betrays the fact that you are as fallible as any human, and your mind can block the Holy Spirit by convincing you that what you think you have all figured out, you think is the understanding you have received from the Holy Spirit.

The more humility Christ's sheep have with regard to their own ability to understand and with regard to their own minds / thinking about biblical prophecy, the more understanding the Holy Spirit will be able to give them

- and your words betray a lot of pride in you - still too much confidence in yourself and what you believe you received from the Holy Spirit to be able to understand the things of which you speak.

God is not the God of confusion. The Holy Spirit will give the same understanding to all - but because you and we are all human, where there are 10 Christians, all will believe and claim the Holy Spirit gave them the understanding they have - yet be in disagreement with one another. Five will be wrong, yet think the Holy Spirit gave them what they think they have, three might be partially correct and partially incorrect, and two may be correct.

- but the two who are correct are not correct - because it is God who is correct - so let God be true and every man a liar.

This goes for ANY biblical subject:

"For what if some did not believe (the truth regarding it)? shall their unbelief make (the truth and) faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." (Romans 3:3-4)

In short, when it comes to biblical prophecy, wherever there be two Christians there will be three opinions - or four opinions if both are contradicting themselves.

- because like you, we are ALL fallible.

One day when you are big you will realize it.

A Lamb was slain

In 539 BC the prophet Daniel was given the following prophecy about the coming of the Messiah: Daniel 9:24-26a: Duration of time: "Seventy...

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[Trekson]

Classic cultism.
Scripture enjoins us to test the spirits. 1 John 4:1
One such way is to compare our understanding with that of historical orthodoxy.
If there's significant difference, we need to explain why.
Your understanding of much Scripture does not exist in historical orthodoxy e.g. Daniel 9:24.
You need to explain why.

I don't need to explain why. Why are you listening to folks who were way less informed about prophecy then we are. Don't you believe Dan. 12:4. "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." This is speaking of both secular and prophetic knowledge. As the times of fulfillment draw near those generations will have a far greater understanding of prophecy than all the previous generations combined, if they will be ready to listen and not get bogged down from what folks centuries or millennia ago thought about things that really weren't for them to know.

 

[Trekson]

There is no anointing greater than God's anointing.
No amount of rubbing can exceed it.
Another example of your many departures from historical orthodoxy.

Then why does God use men at all? Why didn't God give the same anointing to David than was done for Christ? It's not about what kind of anointing is greater it's about fulfilling the prophecy to the letter, not substituting for something that is close enough or seems to be better. God gives these prophecies, men don't just make them up. It's 100% exact or nothing.

 

[Zao is life]

I don't need to explain why. Why are you listening to folks who were way less informed about prophecy then we are.

If they were less informed about prophecy than we are and you think we should not consider what they believed, then why should we listen to you when you are less informed than they were?

 

[Trekson]

If you talk about this topic or post about this topic then anyone can respond to your false claims about the topic - so even if you do not want to speak to me or don't speak to me I can still correct you and point out your erroneous conclusions.

What does "He arrives via prophecy" even mean?

Yes, Daniel 9:26-27 prophesied that the Messiah would come and, after the 69th week (during the 70th week) He would be cut off in the middle of the 70th week.

We know from history - which includes the fact that so many of us are now Christians - that what you say about the 70th week waiting for another 2,000 years to be fulfilled has no basis of truth in it, and you have conflated the covenant that Christ brought during the 70th week and in the midst of the 70th week with what - in your fallible human mind - you think is what an antichrist figure will do at the close of this age (which is what your own words betray as your fallible confidence in yourself that you have received your understanding from the Holy Spirit).

The bible doesn't say 'after" it says "unto", meaning he will come in the 69th week and he is cut off a second or two the sunset of the next day which fulfills the prophecy as stated. When Christ came as prophesied was when Zech. 9:9 was fulfilled. "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." This was just 2-3 days before His crucifixion.

 

[Zao is life]

Then why does God use men at all? Why didn't God give the same anointing to David than was done for Christ? It's not about what kind of anointing is greater it's about fulfilling the prophecy to the letter, not substituting for something that is close enough or seems to be better. God gives these prophecies, men don't just make them up. It's 100% exact or nothing.

Your words betray a lot of pride in you - still too much confidence in yourself and what you think and believe you received from the Holy Spirit to be able to understand the things of which you speak.

God is not the God of confusion. The Holy Spirit will give the same understanding to all - but because you and we are all human, where there are 10 Christians, all will believe and claim the Holy Spirit gave them the understanding they have - yet be in disagreement with one another.

Five will be wrong, yet think the Holy Spirit gave them what they think they have, three might be partially correct and partially incorrect, and two may be correct.

- but the two who are correct are not correct - because it is God who is correct - so let God be true and every man a liar. This goes for ANY biblical subject:

"For what if some did not believe (the truth regarding it)? shall their unbelief make (the truth and) faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." (Romans 3:3-4)

In short, when it comes to biblical prophecy, wherever there be two Christians there will be three opinions - or four opinions if both are contradicting themselves.

- because like you, we are ALL fallible.

One day when you are big you will realize it.

 

[Zao is life]

The bible doesn't say 'after" it says "unto", meaning he will come in the 69th week and he is cut off a second or two the sunset of the next day which fulfills the prophecy as stated. When Christ came as prophesied was when Zech. 9:9 was fulfilled. "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." This was just 2-3 days before His crucifixion.

What are you talking about? Now you are implying that the death of Christ occurred before He was even born!

Jesus was born during the closing weeks of the first 69 weeks. He was crucified during the 70th week - in the middle of the week.

You are only showing how you grasp at straws in your arguments - straws that only prove your own arguments wrong.

 

[Trekson]

Nonsense. There are no literal locusts that will be flying around stinging people.

What you don't realize - and seem too immature to realize - is that just because people disagree with the way you interpret something, does not mean

(a) there is something wrong with them wrt the way their minds work, but not with you; or
(b) they do not have the Holy Spirit regarding what they say because only you do.

Do you think you are the only one to whom the Holy Spirit gives some understanding of some things - without Him giving some understanding of some things to His other children also? (actually your words betray the fact that you think He has given you ALL understanding about this and other subjects).

One day when you're big you will realize that the understanding someone who disagreed with you had about this or that was correct, and he had received it from the Holy Spirit - and you were wrong.

Discuss the scriptures, stick to the topic, and don't decide (as though you are God so that you could even know such a thing) that there is something wrong - with regard to the way their minds work - with the person or people who are saying you are wrong in the way you interpret something (even if you believe the Holy Spirit gave you that understanding).

Those who do not agree with you on this subject do not believe the Holy Spirit gave you that understanding,

and the very things you say about what is "wrong" with their thinking "causing them not to see it the way you do" - is what those who disagree with you can say about you.

Your thinking betrays the fact that you are as fallible as any human, and your mind can block the Holy Spirit by convincing you that what you think you have all figured out, you think is the understanding you have received from the Holy Spirit.

The more humility Christ's sheep have with regard to their own ability to understand and with regard to their own minds / thinking about biblical prophecy, the more understanding the Holy Spirit will be able to give them

- and your words betray a lot of pride in you - still too much confidence in yourself and what you believe you received from the Holy Spirit to be able to understand the things of which you speak.

God is not the God of confusion. The Holy Spirit will give the same understanding to all - but because you and we are all human, where there are 10 Christians, all will believe and claim the Holy Spirit gave them the understanding they have - yet be in disagreement with one another. Five will be wrong, yet think the Holy Spirit gave them what they think they have, three might be partially correct and partially incorrect, and two may be correct.

- but the two who are correct are not correct - because it is God who is correct - so let God be true and every man a liar.

This goes for ANY biblical subject:

"For what if some did not believe (the truth regarding it)? shall their unbelief make (the truth and) faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." (Romans 3:3-4)

In short, when it comes to biblical prophecy, wherever there be two Christians there will be three opinions - or four opinions if both are contradicting themselves.

- because like you, we are ALL fallible.

One day when you are big you will realize it.

A Lamb was slain

In 539 BC the prophet Daniel was given the following prophecy about the coming of the Messiah: Daniel 9:24-26a: Duration of time: "Seventy...

god-of-the-living.blogspot.com

I agree, but apparently none of you believe that you are infallible, just that I am. Should I just ignore what I was shown because folks will disagree w/ me? I can't do that. I am trying to clarify the confusion about what Dan. 9:24-27 actually say. Yes, it is up to the folks that read whether they think I might be onto something or not. 99.9% of folks might disagree, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong or that I could change what I was shown. I know for a fact that 99.9% of commentaries and prophetic teachers believe that the 4th beast of Dan. 7 is Rome, but I know beyond a shadow of doubt they are incorrect as the 1st beast is Medo-Persia because of vs. 17.

 

[Trekson]

What are you talking about? Now you are implying that the death of Christ occurred before He was even born!

Jesus was born during the closing weeks of the first 69 weeks. He was crucified during the 70th week - in the middle of the week.

You are only showing how you grasp at straws in your arguments - straws that only prove your own arguments wrong.

You are saying he came at birth, but that's not what the prophecy is saying. He came as Messiah when the triumphal entry occurred, not anytime before. If you want to believe that Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week, then one has to believe that all prophecies concerning Christ were fulfilled by the end of the immediate 3 1/2 yrs. following his death and 70ad is meaningless.

 

[Zao is life]

I agree, but apparently none of you believe that you are infallible, just that I am.

That's not what you were saying about what is "wrong" wrt the way the minds of those who disagree with you work and the reason why - according to you - those who disagree with you "don't understand" or are unable to understand or "do not have the Holy Spirit on what they say".

You were not saying anything about your own fallibility. You were only claiming that you have the Holy Spirit - "so those who disagree with you don't".

I am trying to clarify the confusion about what Dan. 9:24-27 actually say.

The confusion is yours. If only you will stop "trying to clarify" what you think is the confusion in the minds of others and go back to God in prayer - and ask Him to take you back from scratch (because some of your other ideas are just way off too),

then maybe you would be open enough to the teaching of the Holy Spirit so that He can clarify for you what Daniel 9:24-27 and specifically verses 26-27 are actually prophesying.

Yes, it is up to the folks that read whether they think I might be onto something or not.

Here we go again:

99.9% of folks might disagree, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong or that I could change what I was shown.

You do not believe that what you think you were shown was influenced by your own mind and preconceived beliefs regarding "the truth" about biblical things and the plans and purposes of God.

The fact that you also assert that the saints will be in heaven for 1,000 years while Christ reigns down here on earth over "the remnant" (of left-behinders or whoever you think that remnant will be)

shows how your mind is already influenced by a belief in falsehood that has influenced the way you think about Daniel 9:24-27

- because the Holy Spirit has not been able to get through to you regarding it.

When you're big you will understand this better about yourself

- because though you believe things like preconceived beliefs can interfere with the understanding others have, you hold yourself aloof to it - betraying the fact that you believe that it cannot happen in your case.

NO, you cannot claim the same about me - I've had my understanding changed a number of times regarding various things - and my mind is OPEN to the possibility I could be wrong about my understanding

- and my mind was changed about Daniel 9:24-27 (among other things) when I finally accepted it is not a "cut this week out with your mouse and paste it into a folder titled 'the end of this age and return of Christ'" prophecy.

I know for a fact that 99.9% of commentaries and prophetic teachers believe that the 4th beast of Dan. 7 is Rome, but I know beyond a shadow of doubt they are incorrect as the 1st beast is Medo-Persia because of vs. 17.

I don't believe the 4th beast of Daniel 7 is Rome - nor do I believe it's Medo-Persia but a combination of all the former Greek Empire's parts - which includes Medo-Persia.

 

[Zao is life]

You are saying he came at birth, but that's not what the prophecy is saying. He came as Messiah when the triumphal entry occurred, not anytime before. If you want to believe that Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week, then one has to believe that all prophecies concerning Christ were fulfilled by the end of the immediate 3 1/2 yrs. following his death and 70ad is meaningless.

Your use of the word "meaningless" makes sense only to you because it's nonsense. The only thing the prophecy is saying is that the Messiah would be cut off during the 70th week.

Daniel 9:24 does NOT say:

Duration of time: "SIXTY-NINE weeks (meaning "weeks of years", or 70 x 7 years) are decreed
Regarding: your people and your holy city,
Purpose and Goal: to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

Once the above was accomplished by the Messiah, sacrifice and oblation was no longer necessary - His death for sin had made the old way of sacrifices and oblations obsolete.

The Holy Spirit came down upon the Church at Pentecost and He sent His apostles out to strengthen the New Covenant.

At the close of the final week Stephen was martyred.

40 years of the Jews in a spiritual wilderness of unbelief saw the temple and their kingdom destroyed in AD70. They did not enter the promised land and the sabbath rest in Christ, and most of them still do not.

But Daniel 9:24 does NOT say:

Duration of time: "SIXTY-NINE weeks (meaning "weeks of years", or 70 x 7 years) are decreed
Regarding: your people and your holy city,
Purpose and Goal: to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

 

[Trekson]

Your use of the word "meaningless" makes sense only to you because it's nonsense. The only thing the prophecy is saying is that the Messiah would be cut off during the 70th week.

Daniel 9:24 does NOT say:

Duration of time: "SIXTY-NINE weeks (meaning "weeks of years", or 70 x 7 years) are decreed
Regarding: your people and your holy city,
Purpose and Goal: to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

Once the above was accomplished by the Messiah, sacrifice and oblation was no longer necessary - His death for sin had made the old way of sacrifices and oblations obsolete.

The Holy Spirit came down upon the Church at Pentecost and He sent His apostles out to strengthen the New Covenant.

At the close of the final week Stephen was martyred.

40 years of the Jews in a spiritual wilderness of unbelief saw the temple and their kingdom destroyed in AD70. They did not enter the promised land and the sabbath rest in Christ, and most of them still do not.

But Daniel 9:24 does NOT say:

Duration of time: "SIXTY-NINE weeks (meaning "weeks of years", or 70 x 7 years) are decreed
Regarding: your people and your holy city,
Purpose and Goal: to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

There is no biblical verification for what you believe and the bible doesn't say anything about what you believe Messiah accomplished via this prophecy. You are adding all that. The text has the last week separated from the other 69. That's noy my opinion, that is how it is written. So, you see a gap between the middle of the 70th week and what, the final 3 1/2 years involved w/ 70 ad? Where does it say they are connected in scripture? or did you just decide that's how it must be. I never said I was the only one that has rec'd this clarification, I added yet. If one is really searching for truth regarding this, their eyes will be opened as well. You say you are "open" but everything you say declares you are not.