Toxic Males

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Christian men have a pot-holed path to navigate. On the one hand they
have to be strong without being bullies, and on the other they have to be
tender without being sissies; for example:

● 1Pet 3:7a . . Give honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel.

NOTE: Although husbands are senior in the Christian marriage relationship,
their position doesn't grant them carte blanch to mistreat their wives any
more than Jesus has carte blanch to mistreat his church. (cf. Eph 5:28-30)

The Greek word for "honor" basically means: a value.

The word for "weaker" basically means: having no strength, i.e. fragile.

And the word for "vessel" basically indicates anything from a soup bowl to a
cardboard box; in other words: a container.

Peter isn't saying women are physically weaker than men; he's saying
Christian husbands should exercise the same care with their wives as they
would a fragile antique worth thousands of dollars like, say, a Ming vase.
Nobody in their right mind handles a Ming vase like a farmer handles a 5
gallon bucket. Not that some women couldn't take that kind of handling; it's
just that its unbecoming for a Christian man to lack sensitivity.

This particular assessed value isn't an intrinsic value, nor is it a deserved
value either; but rather, it's a gratuitous value. In other words: Christ
commands Christian husbands to categorize their wives up there with
Dresden china even if she's as tough as a female cop and/or a UFC mixed
martial artist the likes of Rhonda Rousey-- and this is not a choice; no, it
isn't optional; it's required.

Christian husbands who treat their Skil saws and their tomato plants with
more care and concern than they treat their wives can just forget about
associating with God on any meaningful level.

● 1Pet 3:7b . . as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers
be not hindered.

Note the word "together" which is quite the opposite of autonomy and/or
independence.

Couples sometimes assert themselves with words like "What I do is between
me and The Lord." No; marriage changes everything between one's self and
The Lord because people become one flesh in marriage: no longer two
sovereign individuals. (Gen 2:22-24)

* There's a hierarchy in the one flesh just as there is a hierarchy in the one
divinity. (1Cor 11:3)
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Praise God! Good post

 

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● 1Tim 5:1a . . When speaking to an older man, appeal to him respectfully
as though he were your own father.

Those instructions weren't given to a child, rather, to a grown Christian man
in charge of managing a whole church. So I gather that if a man in Timothy's
position is required to treat seniors as his betters, then ordinary Christian men
would also be required.

* I was in a Sunday school class one morning where a young fellow
substituted for the regular teacher. After practically every sentence during
his lecture, the fellow would pause, tighten his lips, turn down the corners of
his mouth, squint his eyes into narrow slits, and look around the room with a
fierce scowl on his face; and better than half that room was older than he
was. I don't know about the rest of the group, but as a man easily twice his
age; I deeply resented the looks that youngster was giving us.
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● 1Tim 5:1b . .Speak to the younger men as you would to your own kindred.

In this case, the kindred would be sort of like a man's younger siblings; viz:
his kid brothers. Young boys look up to their big brothers; who by all rights
should be setting the example as role models that a growing boy can be
proud of. Big brothers ought to be available too, and not treat their younger
siblings as excess baggage and/or uncool nerds and morons beneath their
dignity to be seen with.

* Men who grew up in dysfunctional homes, where human relationships were
an ongoing cold war, are going to find that 1Tim 5:1b is very difficult to practice
in a manner that cultivates peace, love, and understanding. But were they to
speak to the younger men in church the very same way that they're accustomed
to speaking to their own families; it would produce disastrous results.
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● 1Tim 5:2a . . Speak to the older women as mothers,

Honoring one's mother means giving her the respect that her age and her
maternal position deserve. It means watching your language, and it means
keeping a civil tongue in your head. It means speaking to her as a grown-up
instead of a child. It means treating her as one's better instead of lesser. It
means deferring to her wishes instead of demanding your own.

NOTE: In some cultures, elders have to earn respect, i.e. they have to
deserve it; whereas in Christianity their respect is taken for granted; they
don't have to earn it. For example: according to Lev 19:32 the younger
generation is expected to honor the older; not because they deserve it, but
because God requires it. Why? Because He too is an elder, viz: disrespect for
an elder on earth is felt by the elder on the throne in Heaven.

* In extreme cases-- e.g. serial killer Ed Kemper --common sense dictates
that mothers like his should not be respected at all; in point of fact, they
should be hanged for severe child abuse. Nevertheless, were Ed to become a
Christian man, he'd have to begin regarding his mom with a very different
attitude than he does now. (Ed murdered his mom back in 1973. He is
currently 75, in poor health, and incarcerated in a criminal medical facility.)
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● 1Tim 5:2b . . Speak to the younger women as sisters, in all purity.

Men should especially avoid speaking to the young women in church as if
they've met in a beer joint or a bowling alley. There are some forms of
language, and figures of speech, that no sensible man would ever use
around his real sister, so he should keep that in mind when around girls
who aren't.
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● Eph 6:4 . . Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them
up in the training and instruction of The Lord.

Too often the first half of that verse is omitted and the focus swung entirely
upon the second. Well; let's break ranks and include the first half for a
change because a daddy's parenting style has far more effect upon a
growing child than his religion.

To begin with: despotism, tyranny, totalitarianism, and injustice are not The
Lord's way of raising kids; but rather; His way is the manner of a shepherd;
and good shepherds aren't cruel to their flocks.

Maybe you don't burn your kids with cigarettes, pour Tabasco sauce in their
eyes, or lock them in a hall closet without food and water for two days; but
do you ignore their opinions, demean them with denigrating labels, ridicule
them, threaten their lives, work them as slaves without compensation, deny
them things just so you won't appear to indulge them, and/or say "no" to
their requests for no good reason than that you don't want to seem weak
and under their control?

Do you routinely abuse their human rights, and/or relegate them to the level
of livestock rather than bona fide human beings with feelings and a mind of
their own? Do you nurture within them a feeling of importance, of belonging
in your home, or do you make them feel like an invasive species and/or an
uninvited guest? Kids pick up on things like that.
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Christian men have a pot-holed path to navigate. One the one hand they have to be
strong without being bullies, and on the other hand they have to be tender without
being sissies; for example:

● 1Pet 3:7a . . Give honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel.

NOTE: Although husbands are senior in the Christian marriage relationship, their
position doesn't grant them carte blanch to mistreat their wives any more than Jesus
has carte blanch to mistreat his church. (cf. Eph 5:28-30)

The Greek word for "honor" basically means: a value.

The word for "weaker" basically means: having no strength, i.e. fragile.

And the word for "vessel" basically indicates anything from a soup bowl to a cardboard
box; in other words: a container.

Peter isn't saying women are physically weaker than men; he's saying Christian
husbands should exercise the same care with their wives as they would a fragile
antique worth thousands of dollars like, say, a Ming vase. Nobody in their right mind
handles a Ming vase like a farmer handles a 5-gallon bucket. Not that some women
couldn't take that kind of handling; it's just that its unbecoming for a Christian man to
lack sensitivity.

This particular assessed value isn't an intrinsic value, nor is it a deserved value either;
but rather, it's a gratuitous value. In other words: Christ commands Christian husbands
to categorize their wives up there with Dresden china even if she's as tough as a female
cop and/or a UFC mixed martial artist the likes of Rhonda Rousey-- and this is not a
choice; no, it isn't optional; it's required.

Christian husbands who treat their Skil saws and their tomato plants with more care and
concern than they treat their wives can just forget about associating with God on any
meaningful level.

● 1Pet 3:7b . . as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not
hindered.

Note the word "together" which is quite the opposite of autonomy and/or independence.

Couples sometimes assert themselves with words like "What I do is between me and
The Lord." No; marriage changes everything between one's self and The Lord because
people become one flesh in marriage: no longer two sovereign individuals. (Gen 2:22-24)
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Absolutely agree.

Unfortunately. On thread in debate forum.

Several bullies. There members.
Had the nerve to harrass me.

It wasn't civilized discussion. They tried to set me up.

If person doesn't agree, that's fine.

To resort to wicked tactics to try to Trip up or smear.

Definitely couple of members are toxic.

Several members follwed me around.

A servant of God wouldn't do that.

I'm not complaining. I'm just making a reply.
It's written in Corinthians, bad company ruins good morals.

I believe also im under attack from Satan.

He does use false brethren.

In june. On City bus. As soon as I sat down. A man sitting near me. Started to harrass me and verbally abuse me. I defended myself, and told him off.

He acted like he would physically hurt me. Then he sat down. A woman near by, yelled, He's not worth it !!

This has Satan finger prints.
It was satanic.

 

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In extreme cases-- e.g. serial killer Ed Kemper

Ed committed a number of unspeakable crimes, but nevertheless guys in his
situation are not beyond redemption.

● John 3:16-17 . . For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For
God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save
the world through him.

The Greek word translated "loved" rarely has anything to do with fondness.
It mostly pertains to benevolence, e.g. kindness, courtesy, lenience,
tolerance, generosity, charity, sympathy, compassion, etc. In point of fact
no doubt many of us disgust God and bear little, if any, resemblance to the
kind of folks with whom He prefers to associate.

Nevertheless, God was thinking of everybody, including Ed Kemper, when
Jesus went to the cross.

● Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

So if he had a mind to, Ed could take advantage of Jesus' crucifixion to
protect himself from retribution. But he'd still be the same old Ed Kemper,
and in that state, Ed has some very serious issues with women that are
humanly impossible to cure.

Well; I've no doubt that Ed would be the first to tell you that women in
Heaven would be in very grave danger with him there if not for a way to
relieve Ed of his issues with women. Well, as a matter of fact, God is in the
wings for guys in Ed's condition and He's well able to peel negative issues
off Ed like a dead skin so he can depart this life a different man.

● Col 2:11-12 . . In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the
sinful nature-- not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with
the circumcision done by Christ.

Judaism has its circumcision, but Christianity has one that's much better
because it has the power to liberate people from human nature's rather
disagreeable behaviors, viz: whereas Judaism's circumcision is merely a
ritual, Christianity's is the hand of God.
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● 1Cor 16:13a . . Be on your guard, stand firm in the faith, be men of
courage; be strong.

The Greek word for "men of courage" basically means to act manly; defined
by Webster's as: (1) having qualities generally associated with a man; viz:
strength and virility, and (2) appropriate in character to a man.

These days; progressive politics (a.k.a. woke) would have us to believe that
things like manliness, strength, and virility are toxic, viz: threats to public
health and safety. Well; all I can say to Christian men is: DO NOT permit
progressive politics to define your manhood or you'll just end up a sissy boy
and thus useless for standing firm in the faith; instead your stance will become
flexible, i.e. influenced by evolving social customs.
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● 1Cor 7:36 . . If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward his maiden,
and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should
do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.

We have a saying in America that goes like this: So and so married what's
her name and made a decent woman out of her. Well, most grown-ups know
what that means without me having to say so. The point is: if a Christian
man finds himself on the brink of exceeding the limits of propriety with his
best girl; it's time to either break up or tie the knot.

And then too there's the so-called biological clock that stalks women during
their productive years. It's cruel, unthinkable, and utterly selfish and
psychopathic of a man to keep a girl on hold during those years if and when
he's fully aware that she's longing to settle down and have a family of her
own. A man who does that has no clue as the meaning of words like love
and honor.
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[Wrangler]

Christian men have a pot-holed path to navigate. One the one hand they have to be
strong without being bullies, and on the other hand they have to be tender without
being sissies; for example:

Let me know when you start the thread "Toxic Females & Daddy's Little Girls."

 

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● Col 3:21 . . Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become
discouraged.

The Greek word translated "discouraged" has to do with breaking the spirit.
Really bad cases of emotional abuse can cause a child to lose the will to
excel; sometimes even the will to live, i.e. suicidal.
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● Matt 5:31-32 . . It has been said: Anyone who divorces his wife must give
her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife,
except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and
anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

For a while here @ home in the USA, youngster's were getting married on an
experimental basis via so-called starter marriages with the expectation that
their first marriages will probably fail.

Christian men cannot be doing that. If there is any doubt, any doubt at all
that the girl on your horizon may not be right for you, then it's best to
reckon she isn't rather than rolling the dice and risk coming up with snake
eyes instead of a 7 or 11.
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● 1Tim 5:1a . . When speaking to an older man, appeal to him respectfully
as though he were your own father.

Those instructions weren't given to a child, rather, to a grown Christian man
in charge of managing a whole church. So I gather that if a man in Timothy's
position is required to treat seniors as his betters, then ordinary Christian men
would also be required.

* I was in a Sunday school class one morning where a young fellow
substituted for the regular teacher. After practically every sentence during
his lecture, the fellow would pause, tighten his lips, turn down the corners of
his mouth, squint his eyes into narrow slits, and look around the room with a
fierce scowl on his face; and better than half that room was older than he
was. I don't know about the rest of the group, but as a man easily twice his
age; I deeply resented the looks that youngster was giving us.
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Fact is, that their is no fool like an old fool !

I am in my 60's and sit down and talk to many people in their 80's 90's i find their ignorance is astounding if not just stupid.

I do not argue with them tho. i wish they would argue with me, i am like bring it on ! but they clearly are not up to it or do not want to take such on.

Some real old people are the best to talk to tho, if they are not ignorant. for they think i am only in my 60's and think as tho i am a child ! funny that, i remember even being 16yo and having people 17 etc looking down on you, as if you would not know anything and they just want to stand over you domanating, well well that has never changed in general ! HAHA !

Even in the school yard was the same, some punk in the upper grades would be rude to me, because they thought they could easy bash me up. haha, for they were just rude and full of ignorance, because they were not awake to reality.

I know people from the school days who were jerks as a kid, but grew up to be worthy people and some who were good kids at school became total stupid jerks as they got older in fact !

That's how it goes.

So one should not talk down to younger people, for they may have real values, you will find that in fact. but they who lack values, that's their problem.

I like people who have real values regardless.

Maybe your man in Sundy School was a Socialist, promoting the newage ways ? that would be typical.

 

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@Reggie Belafonte

Hello;

This is to inform you that I don't have the patience to be distracted by your
remarks so I've placed you on my ignore list. Others will still be able to view
your content; just not me. Sorry.
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● 1Cor 11:14-15 . . Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a
man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair,
it is her glory?

"the very nature of things" can't be trusted to reflect the laws of God. In
other words: Paul isn't saying it's a sin for men to let their hair grow out
because the nature of things in 1st century Corinth was very different than
the nature of things across the ocean in the Americas.

In other words: the nature of things pertains to humanistic attitudes in
matters relative to propriety-- in particular one's own culture. For example:
in the Roman world of Paul's day; long hair on a man was nothing to be
proud of, whereas in the world of USA's indigenous people, long hair on
men is strong and manly.

(In my opinion, long hair looks better on women than it does on men. In
other words; with me it's neither a moral issue, a fashion statement, or
cultural mores, rather, it's just a preference.)
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One the one hand they have to be strong without being bullies, and on the other hand they have to be tender without
being sissies; for example:

This is embodied in the work "meekness", which is not "weakness", more like, strength under control. Acceptance without fighting.

Much love!

 

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@Reggie Belafonte

Hello;

This is to inform you that I don't have the patience to be distracted by your
remarks so I've placed you on my ignore list. Others will still be able to view
your content; just not me. Sorry.
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When Jesus was walking about, i wonder if the elders looked down on him because he was not their elder ?

I do not look down on people who are younger than me, for i am impressed, i am impressed regardless.

I have found that Socialist have a childish type of order, and it's not based on reality but mans workings, that are based on just slobs.

How is this an old mechanic is sprouting on about something to do with such and the younger one points out, that this old bloke has no idea what he is truly talking about in regards on one point or more regarding that or such a subject in fact.
The young one is not being nasty at all, but the others may learn something, if they have any regards to listen and not just fob such off, as if it does not fit in with their own little world and ignorance.

One truly only gains respect if the respect is mutual in fact. so it goes both ways to prosper.
Disagrements are fine and good but if one is willing to debate the issues openly, one may find that the real problem, was that they did not understand each other totaly on the subject. but if one is closed on a point then their is no point in talking to such. for they are afraid to go their or just to stupid to deal with such, i have found. It's ok to say one does not know how ever, but their ego gets in the way i have found. so they want to shut you down and walk away, because they are only a ignorant idiot in fact. they have a chance to learn something but do not want to, because they want to be seen by fools as the master ?

I remember an old truly wise old Premier, when the Media cunningly bagged him for his school days ended in only Grade 7 But the Premier said, My whole life has been a Learning experiance.
The Media whore was bagging him that he knew nothing due to only Grade 7 and also being too old to be Premier ? but he had a lot more intellegence than any reporter by far in fact. They could not hold a candle to his achevements even before he became the Premier in fact. They were peddling he was only a Grade 7 standard person ? Just like the total morons claim that Trump was only a TV show dude but Trump was a big high end Business man in fact and the most wealthy President of the USA ! but see how stupid outright foolish people like to disregard the facts or reality ! Why is that ? well They can not handle the Truth ! that's a fact.

 

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● Luke 22:35-37 . . Then Jesus asked them: When I sent you without
purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything? Nothing: they answered. He
said to them: But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if
you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

I can recall neither the details nor the source, but I read somewhere that
Communist China is reluctant to invade the USA because too many citizens
over here have firearms.

When Fidel Castro took the reins in Cuba, his first order of business was to
disarm the people, even those who assisted his revolution, because he knew
only too well that if an armed citizenry could succeed in deposing Batista,
they could be just as successful deposing himself.

The second element of the Bill Of Rights has been construed by the US
Supreme Court to include personal self defense. But its original intent was
that every American possess firearms suitable for war in the event it
becomes necessary to muster a citizen army to help repel foreign invasion.
In point of fact, had it not been for Minutemen during the war of 1812, the
colonists very likely would've been crushed.

Personally, I do not fear the usual kind of foreign invasion conducted by
military forces. No, my fear of invasion is relative to the multiple
thousands of illegal aliens that the USA's current administration has been
aiding and abetting to pour into my land and allowed to go pretty much
wherever they want and to do practically anything they please, including
criminal mischief. And God help us should someone motivate the 4.4 million
Muslims residing here to begin killing Christians on sight.

Plus: should it ever happen that the grid becomes critically disabled, thereby
shutting down banking and merchandising, and rendering debit and credit
cards virtually useless; we're going to see Mad Max chaos in this country like
never before.

● Luke 11:21-22 . . When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house,
his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and
overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and
divides up the spoils.

Point being: warfare has always been incumbent upon the guys within the
ranks of God's people.
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